A big breakthrough expected in Pakistan America ties: Report

[messiach]

Ah..ha, sad story.

Well for a billion barrell per day oil producing nation they could....

Not sure where that “bounty” went..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Modi will win.
Kashmir will be free.
USA will be in Kashmir.
Start of new story...lot of new exciting opportunities for us, specially pak armed forces.

 

[Beast]

Hie is false flagger moron..don't take him seriously.

No, he is a Pakistanis members since 2011. I have seen enough of his post and he is really a Pakistanis. You have to admit there are a certain portion of Pakistanis who are treacherous and white bootlicker who are short sighted in long term progress of Pakistan.

 

[sparten]

Well for a billion barrell per day oil producing nation they could....

Not sure where that “bounty” went..

It’s where it always was.

 

[PakShaheen79]

After Stick now the time for some Carrot!

 

[Reddington]

Loo gee! New story aa gai. Purani story hai waisay.

Pakistan - US relations were really bad during this time in point, thanks in part to Raymond Davis saga, Obama administration accusing Pakistan of sheltering Haqqani Network, and Kiyani refusing to launch a military operation in North Waziristan. Zero chance/proof of collusion with US for Operation Neptune Spear to help Obama administration during these times. And do not forget that Obama administration thanked Pakistan with Salala incident not long after.


Hersh jhoot bol raha hai - uss ney eik kitaab likhi hai revenue generate karney key liyey - hot topic hai. Officials privy to Operation Neptune Spear debunked his account, and I can provide these links. Independent sources have also pinpointed lot of issues in Hersh's account.

Example: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden

I suppose Saddam Hussein had an agreement with US in regards to invading his country in 2003, and giving him a fair trial but US backstabbed him in the end... Wait, I should write a book on this theme and try my luck in sales...

Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6
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President Barack Obama said Saturday that the deaths of Americans in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan are a reminder of the "extraordinary" price the U.S. military is paying in the decade-long Afghan war.

Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden. They were being flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified.

A total number of 38 people died in the crash, killing 7 Afghans and one interpreter.

"We don't believe that any of the special operators who were killed were involved in the bin Laden operation," a senior U.S. military official told Fox News.

President Barack Obama mourned the deaths of the American troops, saying in a statement that the crash serves as a reminder of the "extraordinary sacrifices" being made by the U.S. military and its families. He said he also mourned "the Afghans who died alongside our troops."

The death toll would surpass the worst single day loss of life for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan since the war began in 2001 -- the June 28, 2005 downing of a military helicopter in eastern Kunar province. In that incident, 16 Navy SEALs and Army special operations troops were killed when their craft was shot down while on a mission to rescue four SEALs under attack by the Taliban. Three of the SEALs being rescued were also killed and the fourth wounded. It was the highest one-day death toll for the Navy Special Warfare personnel since World War II.

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene. A senior U.S. administration official in Washington said the craft was apparently shot down by insurgents. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the crash is still being investigated.

NATO confirmed the overnight crash took place and that there "was enemy activity in the area." But it said it was still investigating the cause and conducting a recovery operation at the site. It did not release details or casualty figures.

"We are in the process of accessing the facts," said U.S. Air Force Capt. Justin Brockhoff, a NATO spokesman.

With its steep mountain ranges, providing shelter for militants armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers, eastern Afghanistan is hazardous terrain for military aircraft. Large, slow-moving air transport carriers like the CH-47 Chinook are particularly vulnerable, often forced to ease their way through sheer valleys where insurgents can achieve more level lines of fire from mountainsides.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Saturday gave the first public word of the new crash, saying in a statement that "a NATO helicopter crashed last night in Wardak province" and that 31 American special operations troops were killed. He expressed his condolences to President Barack Obama.

The helicopter was a twin-rotor Chinook, said an official at NATO headquarters in Brussels. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was receiving his information from an Afghan officer in Kabul.

The volatile region of Wardak borders the province of Kabul where the Afghan capital is located and is known for its strong Taliban presence.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said in a statement that Taliban fighters downed the helicopter during a "heavy raid" in Sayd Abad. He said NATO attacked a house in Sayd Abad where insurgent fighters were gathering Friday night. During the battle, the fighters shot down the helicopter, killing 31 Americans and seven Afghans, he said, adding that eight insurgents were killed in the fight.

There have been at least 17 coalition and Afghan aircraft crashes in Afghanistan this year.

Most of the crashes were attributed to pilot errors, weather conditions or mechanical failures. However, the coalition has confirmed that at least one CH-47F Chinook helicopter was hit by a rocket propelled grenade on July 25. Two coalition crew members were injured in that attack.

Meanwhile, in the southern Helmand province, an Afghan government official said Saturday that NATO troops attacked a house and inadvertently killed eight members of a family, including women and children.

NATO said that Taliban fighters fired rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire at coalition troops during a patrol Friday in the Nad Ali district.

"Coalition forces responded with small arms fire and as the incident continued, an air strike was employed against the insurgent position," said Brockhoff. He added that NATO sent a delegation to meet with local leaders and investigate the incident.

Nad Ali district police chief Shadi Khan said civilians died in the bombardment but that it was unknown how many insurgents were killed.

Helmand, a Taliban stronghold, is the deadliest province in Afghanistan for international troops.

NATO has come under harsh criticism in the past for accidentally killing civilians during operations against suspected insurgents. However, civilian death tallies by the United Nations show the insurgency is responsible for most war casualties involving noncombatants.

In south Afghanistan, NATO said two coalition service member were killed, one on Friday and another on Saturday. The international alliance did not release further details.

With the casualties from the helicopter crash, the deaths bring to 365 the number of coalition troops killed this year in Afghanistan and 42 this month.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/helic...istan-reportedly-kills-members-of-seal-team-6

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How SEAL Team Six Took Out Osama bin Laden

Operation Neptune Spear begins on May 2, 2011.

The actual mission, dubbed Operation Neptune Spear, officially started in the early-morning hours of May 2, Pakistan time (afternoon of May 1, Eastern Daylight Time).

May 1 (EDT)
1:25 p.m. – President Obama, along with other top officials, formally approve the execution of Operation Neptune Spear.
1:51 p.m. – Stealth Black Hawk helicopters take off from Afghanistan, carrying a group of 25 Navy SEALs.
3:30 p.m. – The choppers land on the compound in Abbottabad. One helicopter crashes, but there are no injuries. The mission continues, uninterrupted.

https://www.history.com/news/osama-bin-laden-death-seal-team-six

 

[LeGenD]

Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6
By | Fox News

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  Aug. 6: Virginia Beach residents Tom Hall, left, and Mark Janik, center, watch as news about the Navy Seal Team Six helicopter accident is displayed on a television at a bar in Virginia Beach , Va. The headquarters for the Navy Seal Team Six is located in Virgina Beach. (AP)
  

President Barack Obama said Saturday that the deaths of Americans in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan are a reminder of the "extraordinary" price the U.S. military is paying in the decade-long Afghan war.

Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden. They were being flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified.

A total number of 38 people died in the crash, killing 7 Afghans and one interpreter.

"We don't believe that any of the special operators who were killed were involved in the bin Laden operation," a senior U.S. military official told Fox News.

President Barack Obama mourned the deaths of the American troops, saying in a statement that the crash serves as a reminder of the "extraordinary sacrifices" being made by the U.S. military and its families. He said he also mourned "the Afghans who died alongside our troops."

The death toll would surpass the worst single day loss of life for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan since the war began in 2001 -- the June 28, 2005 downing of a military helicopter in eastern Kunar province. In that incident, 16 Navy SEALs and Army special operations troops were killed when their craft was shot down while on a mission to rescue four SEALs under attack by the Taliban. Three of the SEALs being rescued were also killed and the fourth wounded. It was the highest one-day death toll for the Navy Special Warfare personnel since World War II.

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene. A senior U.S. administration official in Washington said the craft was apparently shot down by insurgents. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the crash is still being investigated.

NATO confirmed the overnight crash took place and that there "was enemy activity in the area." But it said it was still investigating the cause and conducting a recovery operation at the site. It did not release details or casualty figures.

"We are in the process of accessing the facts," said U.S. Air Force Capt. Justin Brockhoff, a NATO spokesman.

With its steep mountain ranges, providing shelter for militants armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers, eastern Afghanistan is hazardous terrain for military aircraft. Large, slow-moving air transport carriers like the CH-47 Chinook are particularly vulnerable, often forced to ease their way through sheer valleys where insurgents can achieve more level lines of fire from mountainsides.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Saturday gave the first public word of the new crash, saying in a statement that "a NATO helicopter crashed last night in Wardak province" and that 31 American special operations troops were killed. He expressed his condolences to President Barack Obama.

The helicopter was a twin-rotor Chinook, said an official at NATO headquarters in Brussels. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was receiving his information from an Afghan officer in Kabul.

The volatile region of Wardak borders the province of Kabul where the Afghan capital is located and is known for its strong Taliban presence.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said in a statement that Taliban fighters downed the helicopter during a "heavy raid" in Sayd Abad. He said NATO attacked a house in Sayd Abad where insurgent fighters were gathering Friday night. During the battle, the fighters shot down the helicopter, killing 31 Americans and seven Afghans, he said, adding that eight insurgents were killed in the fight.

There have been at least 17 coalition and Afghan aircraft crashes in Afghanistan this year.

Most of the crashes were attributed to pilot errors, weather conditions or mechanical failures. However, the coalition has confirmed that at least one CH-47F Chinook helicopter was hit by a rocket propelled grenade on July 25. Two coalition crew members were injured in that attack.

Meanwhile, in the southern Helmand province, an Afghan government official said Saturday that NATO troops attacked a house and inadvertently killed eight members of a family, including women and children.

NATO said that Taliban fighters fired rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire at coalition troops during a patrol Friday in the Nad Ali district.

"Coalition forces responded with small arms fire and as the incident continued, an air strike was employed against the insurgent position," said Brockhoff. He added that NATO sent a delegation to meet with local leaders and investigate the incident.

Nad Ali district police chief Shadi Khan said civilians died in the bombardment but that it was unknown how many insurgents were killed.

Helmand, a Taliban stronghold, is the deadliest province in Afghanistan for international troops.

NATO has come under harsh criticism in the past for accidentally killing civilians during operations against suspected insurgents. However, civilian death tallies by the United Nations show the insurgency is responsible for most war casualties involving noncombatants.

In south Afghanistan, NATO said two coalition service member were killed, one on Friday and another on Saturday. The international alliance did not release further details.

With the casualties from the helicopter crash, the deaths bring to 365 the number of coalition troops killed this year in Afghanistan and 42 this month.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/helic...istan-reportedly-kills-members-of-seal-team-6

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How SEAL Team Six Took Out Osama bin Laden

Operation Neptune Spear begins on May 2, 2011.

The actual mission, dubbed Operation Neptune Spear, officially started in the early-morning hours of May 2, Pakistan time (afternoon of May 1, Eastern Daylight Time).

May 1 (EDT)
1:25 p.m. – President Obama, along with other top officials, formally approve the execution of Operation Neptune Spear.
1:51 p.m. – Stealth Black Hawk helicopters take off from Afghanistan, carrying a group of 25 Navy SEALs.
3:30 p.m. – The choppers land on the compound in Abbottabad. One helicopter crashes, but there are no injuries. The mission continues, uninterrupted.

https://www.history.com/news/osama-bin-laden-death-seal-team-six

Yes, this happened, I recall this incident.

Just another reminder of how bad were the relations between US and Pakistan at that point in time.

This incident might have set the stage for Salala episode; we lost scores of good soldiers there. Pakistani establishment closed its supply routes to NATO in response for about 6 months until then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued an apology in writing. Sad-state-of-affairs indeed.

 

[Reddington]

Yes, this happened, I recall this incident.

Just another reminder of how bad were the relations between US and Pakistan at that point in time.

This incident might have set the stage for Salala episode; we lost scores of good soldiers there. Pakistani establishment closed its supply routes to NATO in response for about 6 months until then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued an apology in writing. Sad-state-of-affairs indeed.

I shared this news report to point out that all the witnesses in the so called Bin Laden operation died mysteriously.

 

[gutto786]

Bad news for Pakistan

 

[Abdussamad]

Finance Minister Asad Umar got snubbed by the US treasury secretary. Indeed a sign of improving relations!

 

[LeGenD]

I shared this news report to point out that all the witnesses in the so called Bin Laden operation died mysteriously.

Look, there is no solution for hardened perceptions - a large number of people do not believe in the existence of Allah Almighty either. So I cannot address this matter on my own. It is the responsibility of the state to clarify what happened, and we have Abbottabad Comission Report to consider.

DEVGRU / ST6 is organized into following squadrons.

1. Red Squadron = 50 troops
2. Blue Squadron = 50 troops
3. Gold Squadron = 50 troops
4. Silver Squadron = 50 troops

Nobody knows for sure which squadron participated in the Operation Neptune Spear, and to which squadron other troops belonged to who died in a helicopter crash. These two could be entirely unrelated events.

Those troops who died in a helicopter crash, did not die mysteriously - a team of Taliban led by Qari Tahir was identified as being responsible, and it was dealt with afterwards - some information in the public domain.

FYI: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Afghanistan_Boeing_Chinook_shootdown

DEVGRU / ST6 have executed numerous operations worldwide since the 1980s. Google is your friend.

The only Pakistani national who was found to be colluding with CIA to facilitate this military operation is Dr. Shakil Afridi, and he is still in jail with uncertain future. And even he argue that he was duped by CIA.

 

[sparten]

Lots of US forums I have read have claimed that the SEAL shootdown was ISI.

 

[1Paki$tani]

Lots of US forums I have read have claimed that the SEAL shootdown was ISI.

Or could it simply bee death toll from the heli that crashed at Abottabad? At end of the day it crashed and USA could not acknowledge that it lost large amount of soldiers so they needed a cover and that was to show them being killed in Afghanistan.

 

[R Wing]

A big breakthrough expected in Pakistan America ties: Report
13 Apr, 2019

WASHINGTON - United States likely to start blocked assistance to Pakistan, Sources have revealed.

The US is currently undergoing a review of its assistance to Pakistan which is expected to be finalised soon, a top Trump administration official has told lawmakers.


CJP Justice Asif Saeed Khosa laments parliament role in judicial system improvement
The relations between Pakistan and the US nosedived after US President Donald Trump last year accused Islamabad of giving nothing to Washington but “lies and deceit” and providing “safe haven” to terrorists.

With Islamabad playing a crucial role in peace talks with the Taliban, which may ultimately result in the withdrawal of the 14,000 US troops from the war-torn Afghanistan, the Trump administration seems to be reviewing its aid policy to Pakistan.


“We’re undergoing a review of our assistance in Pakistan that we hope will be finalised soon. And we’ll then report to you in terms of what will be going forward,” USAID Administrator Mark Green told members of House Foreign Affairs Committee during a Congressional hearing on Thursday.

In September, the Trump administration cancelled USD 300 million in military aid to Islamabad for not doing enough against terror groups like the Haqqani Network and Taliban active on its soil.

Deadly suicide blast in Quetta: Death toll rises further
Trump also criticised Pakistan in a Twitter post back in November, saying Islamabad was not doing enough to stop terrorism.

“As with all of our programmes, we have the programme metrics that we use. One thing we’re trying to do more of is to shift from outputs to outcomes. So, we have our roadmap with 17 objective metrics that help us measure capacity and commitment in each country where we work or want to work, like Pakistan,” Green said in response to another question on Pakistan.

“So more and more we’re trying to make sure that we’re able to make a difference on the outcome side, hasting the capacity of our host country partners to take on these challenges themselves, although in Pakistan is daunting,” he said, responding to a question from Congressman Brad Sherman.

US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad is spearheading efforts to strike a peace deal with the Taliban with the help of Pakistan to end the 17-year Afghan war, America’s longest. “In spite of our aid to Pakistan, conditions in the Sindh Province of South Pakistan continued to deteriorate in many areas. Schools and hospitals are getting worse in many areas as is water availability,” Sherman said.

Dont need aid. We need trade, strategic relationship with US.

America is always there......when it needs us. !!

If this re-set is based on a comprehensive framework of:

1- Paying in full the CSF and some more

2- Economic Stability Support by EU and the US/JP

3- Help in capturing #EconomicTerrorists

4- Investing in ICT, manufacturing, agricultural, education and healthcare - both captial and skills development - Pak must make special SEZs for the US and allies

5- Debt write-off... Pak saved the world from the menance of terrrorism... 70+k lives and loss of 250+ $ Bln to economy. The world owes Pak a Comprehensive Thankyou!

6- Remain neutral in Kashmir issue

7- No, F16s thankyou!

Yes, if this all happens we can conclude that Pak-US relationship is on the re-set path. Otherwise, just hogwash of same old wine in dirty old bottles.

I am all for comprehensive relationship with the US, EU and the rest of the world. Pak needs to focus on Pak National Interests for once!

You are still in delusion. America is an enemy of Pakistan that ties cannot be repair beyond. Do not hold any delusion America is still a friend of Pakistan. Your coconut mentality must change.


Pakistan is no superpower but playing political well needs no superpower.

There is joy in my heart to see that others see through American hypocrisy!

We will not have much leverage in the relationship post Afghan peace (inshaAllah), so I think we should re-evaluate things and try to develop a bloc consisting of China, Russia, Iran and Turkey. Peace.

 

[LeGenD]

Finance Minister Asad Umar got snubbed by the US treasury secretary. Indeed a sign of improving relations!

Could this be due to PTI-led government taking loans from other countries without taking IMF onboad? Since the begining, GOP was giving mixed-signals about this matter - going to IMF ; not going to IMF ; talking to IMF.

Well, here we are.