9 soldiers martyred 20 wounded in a suicide attack

[Olympus81]

Afghans are hated by Iranians , Uzbeks, Tajiks they only have one option through Pakistan and even Pakistan is sick and tired of Afghans

The Iranians have fenced their border with Afghanistan and monitor any movements closely.

Uzbek and Tajik border is too unhabitable to allow any miscreants creating trouble there.

The population center in Afghanistan is mostly dotted to the east of the country in close proximity of Pakistan. So naturally, Pakistan will be facing the most blowback.

This confusing policy is actually costing too much to Pakistan.

The Indians should be happy they have Pakistan as a buffer between them and Afghanistan.

Pretty sure Afghans would create more havoc if it had direct border with India.

The situation is not that straightforward. You've got Taliban with their brother in arms TTP and all kind of extremist groups operating with total impunity. What has exacerbated the situation is that the US weapons that was left behind have ended up in their hands.

The situation within Pakistan's borders can be managed. But the situation outside of its borders, is very much out of control.

 

[Olympus81]

Had they fenced the border post Radd ul Fasad, and locked out any coming ins the tide wouldn't have turned around again perhaps.

They did which was a good thing. But the fence can only do so much.

But yes, post the operation, the pressure should have been kept up with Intelligence Based Operations.

 

[indushek]

They did which was a good thing. But the fence can only do so much.

But yes, post the operation, the pressure should have been kept up with Intelligence Based Operations.

Oh I wasn't aware of it, but yes a fence can only do so much. They let them back in and here we are.

 

[HAIDER]

RIP fallen soldiers in the line of duty ..... the soldiers on the borders ....

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Pakistan has food long term prospects, better then Bangla

There is no way you actually believe that.

Afghans are hated by Iranians , Uzbeks, Tajiks they only have one option through Pakistan and even Pakistan is sick and tired of Afghans

The constant fassad and ethno-stupidity, their is a limit

There’s more violence in Pakistan than Afghanistan.

If Afghanistan is so hated by those other countries why aren’t they funding proxies or groups. How did NRF collapse? We don’t see regular attacks on Talibs. Only people who are doing that in Afghanistan is ISKP.

We need to do some hard questioning. The current model is UNSUSTAINABLE.

There are Afghans who directly blame Pakistan, for supporting Taliban, and in the process wiping off Afghan's identity (whatever is left of it). That's a legitimate concern.

Those are Gul Marjans, no one takes them seriously anymore. They are not in power in Afghanistan and their political parties in Pakistan get virtually no support. PTI mops the floor with them.

 

[hussain0216]

You raise a good point.

There are Afghans who directly blame Pakistan, for supporting Taliban, and in the process wiping off Afghan's identity (whatever is left of it). That's a legitimate concern.

But the water has passed under the bridge. Question is, what do we do about the current quagmire?

Afghanistan, if left in the 50s 60s 70s, would have been a pipeline of support of Pashton nationalism. Taliban, now, if left unchecked, would be a pipeline to eat up Pakistan's social fabric.

I see analysts blaming Pakistan without taking things into context. Sure blunders are made, but this is a complex issue to handle.


Though Pakistan is in a mess, bro, I think things are still better than Afghanistan. Let's not go too far.


That myth has been busted. The Taliban, use Qatar's good offices for diplomacy. They don't recognize the Durand line nor the fence. They turn a blind eye on miscreants using their territory on attacks on Pakistan. Their offsprings TTP and their affiliates BLA are taking on the PA.

This is a difficult one.

Absolutely they go blind

They go blind to afghanis attacks against us

They go blind to afghanis inviting the Soviets

They go blind to the fact the Pakistan took in millions of namak haram afghans and helped them free Afghanistan


The Afghan Republic was working with India against Pakistani interests, now a economic relationship with India isnt a problem, but Indian intelligence sites inside Afghanistan, IS

Chabahar, air corridor etc

The same clowns then reached out to the pashtun nationalists

These clowns and a bunch of others led by that clown A. khattak, went to Afghanistan and got the royal treatment

Underneath they were forming commonl plans





Doing nothing was not a option they'd forced Pakistans hand


And Pakistan responded AND THEY ALL FELL

U.S GONE, NATO GONE, INDIA GONE, AFGHAN REPUBLIC GONE

The pashtun nationalist clowns literally had the rug pulled from underneath them, and they are BENT OUT OF SHAPE

The Taliban are still Afghans and that means they are clowns but they don't pose the strategic threat we were facing


The suffering of the Afghan people is their own fault


But we have to deal with this blow back

To the ignorant or the Indian it's Pakistan getting what it deserves

But really we pulled off a coup,, and if we can get a grip,, keep our enemies out and blocked then we managed a incredible feat



The Afghans will keep attacking but we need to make it painful and costly to them and their families

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Though Pakistan is in a mess, bro, I think things are still better than Afghanistan. Let's not go too far.

Nah I am not saying Afghanistan today is in a better position than Pakistan.

I am merely pointing towards the trajectory

If Afghanistan, despite being not recognized and effectively sanctioned from the rest of the world, is able to build canals to combat the dangers of climate change. How is it not possible for Pakistan, a country that is not sanctioned, to do the same?

Afghanistan is also more politically stable at the moment, while Pakistan is in a freefall due to political instability.

We really need to ponder on where we are heading and the fact our neighbors and even African countries are advancing ahead of us.

 

[TheSolution]

Nah I am not saying Afghanistan today is in a better position than Pakistan.

I am merely pointing towards the trajectory

If Afghanistan, despite being not recognized and effectively sanctioned from the rest of the world, is able to build canals to combat the dangers of climate change. How is it not possible for Pakistan, a country that is not sanctioned, to do the same?

Afghanistan is also more politically stable at the moment, while Pakistan is in a freefall due to political instability.

We really need to ponder on where we are heading and the fact our neighbors and even African countries are advancing ahead of us.

Pakistan could have a bright future if:

- Politically stabilises (Imran Khan had the most politically stable tenure ever)

- introduces strict meritocracy in all national institutions

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The real news and story

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[ziaulislam]

There is no way you actually believe that.



There’s more violence in Pakistan than Afghanistan.

If Afghanistan is so hated by those other countries why aren’t they funding proxies or groups. How did NRF collapse? We don’t see regular attacks on Talibs. Only people who are doing that in Afghanistan is ISKP.

We need to do some hard questioning. The current model is UNSUSTAINABLE.



Those are Gul Marjans, no one takes them seriously anymore. They are not in power in Afghanistan and their political parties in Pakistan get virtually no support. PTI mops the floor with them.

Sure pakistan has much more resources then bengaldesh

But resources don't matter. What matter is corruption free govt and society not fractured by majority ethnicity forcing it's will without rule of law

Nigeria is rich with oil..but has that translated into anything for poor Nigerians ..no..but richest Africans areil Nigerians

They and nawaz sharif drive in Bentley in London

Pakistan has more water then California, more hydro capacity then all south east Asia, more gas/oil then bengaldesh

But it won't help it

 

[Signalian]

You mess around with others, they would do the same to you. 1971 was a drama that was written, created, directed and acted upon by your leaders. The ending was written by India since you all had done a poor job of it.
Balochistan and KPK aren’t that bad yet, but have a very similar script. You make a mess and give a chance to others to take an advantage? They will take it.

If ISI is not doing the same in India, then you need to give them an eight size boot. Or they may be too busy trying to engineer internal politics and have no time for these tasks. Moreover, the current mess on your western borders and Afghanistan, is all doing of ISI and it’s bosses. They never did strategic thinking. All the goals appeared to have been worked out for just the next few days or maybe a week.

As a Think Tank, it is surprising to see, complete lack of thinking on your part. Not an iota of self analysis, only blame on outsiders. IK has raised very pertinent questions, that I posted earlier.

You give a chance, RAW will come calling, because, ISI did it in ample to us and still doing.

So you agree RAW has its hand in terrorism against Pakistan. Good boy. India has made, trained and equipped mukti bahini in past so India had the capability to do repeatedly which India has done through RAW with BLA, TTP and others.

A small example. Heard of Balaach Pardili and how Indian RAW facilitated him or not.

 

[Signalian]

from seniors/GHQ?.. like proper SOPs and lack of funds/equipment..

We are not given full story to analyse the situation. For example, compare the movement of 10 convoys, 9 of which were not reported as they didn’t face attacks but 1 faced an attack and got reported.

Now, factors to compare:
1. Security Strength of convoy
2. Number of vehs
3. Starting Time of movement
4. Orders level low or high, meaning Bde Hq or Div Or Corps
5. Roadmap and demographics
6. Total time of movement
7. Intel assets in place
8. Speed factors of convoy (slow, stopping, transit, resting)
9. MP and it’s support
10. Importance level of convoy (urgent or not)
Etc

No stats for comparison.

 

[VkdIndian]

So you agree RAW has its hand in terrorism against Pakistan.

Firstly, you have a bad habit of sidestepping the main question and latch onto something peripheral and try to sidetrack the main mudda.

You might be a senior ranking agent from ISI and would know what they do, others don’t.

It is also juvenile to make such an argument and then claim victory.

Your country got a really bad name in this regard for nothing. You exported it across the world through Jihadi factories set up on your soil. Multiple rulers starting with Zia, accepted that you trained non-state actors in good numbers. Till world glare came onto you and these trained people stared creating havoc within. You reared snakes and got bitten. Well, you didn’t know that this could happen? Isn’t it? Welcome to strategic thinking.

Stop shedding tears over Mukti bahini. It was a mess created by you which was cleaned by India. India did it openly and in the knowledge of the whole world.

You think that you can sidestep the question of self analysis for trouble on your western borders? And only blame the external factors?
Not going to work.

 

[karmaa]

All this assumes that Pakistan targeted Afghans first and they were just sitting around playing snakes and ladders


Afghans went after Pakistan for decades before Pakistan started started to hit back, this is a historical fact

So saying Pakistan exasperated afghans problems is disingenuous as it was not Pakistan that launched raids and attacks into Pakistan for decades

So one is going to invest in the tribal areas the people there a touch above farm animals and have tendencies to be violent


Trying to immunise their children against polio has led to attacks against health workers and police this is the kind of people we are talking about



The current ploy of using local police and FC to take the brunt of the security operations was done before, if anything local police and FC have been talking the brunt for decades
The problem is whilst local FC can bring general security the odd major attack will always happen
When afghan terrorists no umbers dwindle their is a peace lull, then you may get a couple of years of more general peace

Then the combination of locals idiocy, ethnocentric jahilat come to the fore and another round of attacks means the state has to respond



The ISI did not commit a blunder, because the view was the strategic threat of the Afghan Republic with India was too great and had to be confronted

The Taliban fallout, whilst frustrating could be controlled and the pashtun nationalists will be up a creek with no patronage coming from Kabul

Any way , if you think you did very great work in the interest of afghans then you are fooling yourself you appropriated billions of dollars coming from America meant for Afghan mujahidin, then you double crossed both America and Taliban , best thing is to keep yourself to development and peace with all countries who share border with your country . Any mis adventure is going to dismantle your country in many new countries .

 

[Signalian]

You might be a senior ranking agent from ISI and would know what they do, others don’t.

It is also juvenile to make such an argument and then claim victory.

Your country got a really bad name in this regard for nothing. You exported it across the world through Jihadi factories set up on your soil. Multiple rulers starting with Zia, accepted that you trained non-state actors in good numbers. Till world glare came onto you and these trained people stared creating havoc within. You reared snakes and got bitten. Well, you didn’t know that this could happen? Isn’t it? Welcome to strategic thinking.

Stop shedding tears over Mukti bahini. It was a mess created by you which was cleaned by India. India did it openly and in the knowledge of the whole world.

You think that you can sidestep the question of self analysis for trouble on your western borders? And only blame the external factors?
Not going to work.

Do you know about Aslam Baloch alias Achu as well as Naela Quadri Baloch and her son Mazdak Dilshad Baloch in relation with RAW.