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8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks

Those 6 ATRs I couldn't find anything on them.

You guys have bad memories. The ATRs were evaluated way earlier. The Gentleman in question had a nice model (along with other systems) of it in his office when he was DCNS(Projects)

What do you say, it would be Chinese Subs only or a mix of German and Chinese subs?
I can tell you that it is a Chinese sub but it is not the Qing; It is a modified Yuan class.
 
You guys have bad memories. The ATRs were evaluated way earlier. The Gentleman in question had a nice model (along with other systems) of it in his office when he was DCNS(Procurement and Projects)


I can tell you that it is a Chinese sub but it is not the Qing; It is a modified Yuan class.

So they going for more ATRs? With what systems or just randomly flying them around with binoculars?

Yuan would be good, bigger displacement, so SLCM seems confirmed if that is the choice.
 
So they going for more ATRs? With what systems or just randomly flying them around with binoculars?

Yuan would be good, bigger displacement, so SLCM seems confirmed if that is the choice.

These aircraft can be refitted. As such however their role is specific to replacing the Fokkers.. which werent looking around with just binoculars as can be seen here.
At-Ormara-Airport-on-PN-Fokker.jpg


This is what ATR MPA's may look like if the PN spends the right money
01_ATR72MP.jpg
 
My guess would be 6 big Qing class 4000t surfaced, 6000 t submerged as the deal for them was signed in 2011. Plus 2 S20s. All with AIP and most probably an all electrical propulsion system (super quiet). From there to nuclear propulsion, all Pakistan needs is a miniaturized naval submarine reactor, which I have heard long time ago that its technology was mastered by Pakistani scientists.
 
These aircraft can be refitted. As such however their role is specific to replacing the Fokkers.. which werent looking around with just binoculars as can be seen here.
At-Ormara-Airport-on-PN-Fokker.jpg


This is what ATR MPA's may look like if the PN spends the right money
01_ATR72MP.jpg

Just get the fleet and buy the got damn upgrades. It's not like we don't need it. These systems last what....10-15 years....so investment today is just one time investment.
 
These aircraft can be refitted. As such however their role is specific to replacing the Fokkers.. which werent looking around with just binoculars as can be seen here.
At-Ormara-Airport-on-PN-Fokker.jpg


This is what ATR MPA's may look like if the PN spends the right money
01_ATR72MP.jpg

If I am not wrong than the Turks have bagged the recently concluded MPA contract ..
 
Saud finance like they are doing in egypt .pakistan is going to benefit and will provide security for saud house hold.
 
hmm maybe they have money maybe on soft loans ??? there's also news about 4 more F-22 frigates
Kingdom kiss din kaam aye ga two frigates will do multiple duties.

pshamim of pakdef telling this
Its been a while since i heard from him..

6 ATR aircrafts for 290 million dollars who the fs paying for all this
Most likely one of our greatest enemies, as per some.

Saud finance like they are doing in egypt .pakistan is going to benefit and will provide security for saud house hold.
They have always been providing security of Al-Saud family.

Relax , saudi's are paying nothing , those deals are planned from years .. its just Navy is looking for money , maybe now givt is slowly providing them
Navy has been facing funding problems the deal of F-22Ps done two years earlier still awaits completion. So there will be something coming from somewhere. A mix of own,saudi and Chinese financing will be used. Pakistan's own fiscal space is very shrunk amid huge amount of funds being spent on internal security related operations.
 
ISLAMABAD: Naval officials informed the Standing Committee on Defence Monday that the federal government has endorsed a summary to get eight submarines from China.

Pakistan's military has long been a major importer of defence equipment, particularly from key ally China.

After the Cold War ended Pakistan began to deepen defence and economic ties with China.

The committee was informed that Secretary of the Economic Affairs division Muhammad Saleem Sethi would be leaving for China tomorrow where the issue is expected to come under discussion.

The officials also said that the national security committee will give the final nod to go ahead with the plan to get eight submarines from China.

"Other proposals are under consideration as well. The Pakistan navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines," officials informed the committee.

Keeping in view the level of threat and the present status of submarines, naval officials said Pakistan needed the latest submarines.

The naval officials also revealed that France had refused to provide submarines to Pakistan.

They said there seemed to be various reasons behind France's refusal to sell submarines to Pakistan — including an issue of technology transfer. On the other hand, they said France was selling its submarines to India.

The naval officials rejected some committee members' concerns that Chinese technology was not of satisfactory quality.They said there was no such issue at hand as JF-17 has proven to be a world class military jet.

The officials informed the standing committee that Pakistan's defence relations with Russia were also improving.

On the other hand, there appeared to be a divide among committee members whether Pakistan should send troops to Saudi Arabia.

Defence Secretary Lieutenant General (retd) Alam Khattak said that the Pakistan Army would abide by the government's decision on whether to send troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

This was the first time that the defence secretary spelled out the official stance of the Pakistan Army on sending troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

His brief comment came in response to a volley of questions by committee members as to whether military troops would be sent to the Saudi kingdom.

Chairman Sheikh Rohail Asghar maintained that the Pakistan Army should chase terrorists regardless of their location but women members belonging to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) had a different point of view.

Govt endorses summary to get 8 submarines from China, defence committee told - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
从一个中国人的视觉来看,曾经比较过巴基斯坦和印度的海军力量,客观的说,巴基斯坦的海军比印度还有很大差距,只能追究不对称的平衡,比如说加强潜艇和反潜力量,加强空对海、地对海的打击能力,这样才能应对印度多得多得海军力量威胁。作为中国的忠实朋友,中国永远愿意做巴基斯坦的后盾!
Ohh really.... i dnt understand anything..
 

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