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Where there is oppression there is resistance!!!!!
Proletarians of all countries , unite !!!!!!!!!!
that's because of the media controlled by the riches! medias say something bad to them
Besides, elections in india and US are all games for riches!!! we poors don't believe that
The naxals fight elections? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Why would they fight elections? Their entire ideology is based on fighting a parliamentary system of government. Why would they go against their own ideology? It's like me suggesting that those goose stepping RSS fascists should become Communist. Is that really going happen?
Mining companies may not have been there before but that does not mean there wasnt oppression. You think the naxals have popular support only because of the mining deals signed by the government? Operation Greenhunt may be about Mining companies but the larger problem has to do with the complete and total neglect and the violence that these people have faced at the hands of the state.
The Maoists don't support China. The original naxalite movement under Charu Majumdar may have, but right now China is a one party capitalist dictatorship that has rejected Maoist ideology and embraced capitalism. Why would a revolutionary peasant movement support it?
Think before you talk people.
That is indeed an assumption. But considering the chest thumping stupidity on display in this thread, not an incorrect one.
The truth is, the majority of us live in a bubble. We have all the comforts of the new India. The government more often than not works for us. We can't imagine a situation where a community would go against a government elected to represent them. There is a failure to understand the reasons for this conflict on all levels. Reading reports on poverty in these areas does not do it justice. It needs to be seen to be believed.
Just imagine a place where there are no schools, no hospitals, no development to speak of, a place where day to day existence is extremely difficult, a place where a government only exists on paper and the elected representatives only visit once a year during election time. A place where landlords, in connivance with the police, rule the roost and engage in random acts of violence against you or your family. The land that you till is the only hope of survival. Now, after years, nay, decades of neglect, the government comes and tells you that you need to sell of your land to make way for an industry, and if you try to protest the police beats you up or puts you behind bars for being a Maoist. In such a place, why the hell won't someone pick up a gun to fight the government?
You might think this is an extreme situation and that it's not really as bad as this. You're right, its not as bad as this. It's worse. We have all read our History books which praise people like Bhagat Singh who tried to use violence against the government, albeit a foreign one, why is it then so difficult to understand the Tribal populations motivation to pick up a gun?
By the way, Bhagat Singh was also a communist.
No. Because when you break free from certain shackles placed on the mind in society, you are able to see through everything. This doesn't make me special, it is a result of the education that i have received.
That is the reason that the government gives us. Any right thinking individual can see through it.
I have been critical of the media's coverage of the terrorists attacks that resulted in casualties in the Taj in the past. However that does not mean i would disbar them from reporting on an issue.
Yes exactly. The media's dependence on corporates means that they cannot ever be critical of them. Fantastic, isnt it?
I'm not the one advocating a ban on the media. You are. All i want is a media that is unbiased it's coverage. Is that too much?
We shall see five years down the line whose assessment was accurate.
Do you not have the ability to read and think at the same time? I have been quite clear in putting forth my arguments.
Maoists propaganda? Hmmm, this is another major problem about this conflict. Every time someone is critical of the governments actions, he or she is called a Maoist sympathizer. The imprisonment of Dr Binayak Sen is an example of this.
To paraphrase a famous saying, "If i give money to the poor, they call me a saint. But if i ask why they are poor, they call me a Maoist"
Since you are new here, let me put it across to you simply. I am as critical of the Maoists as i am of the government. I believe that they have replaced the government as being an alternate power structure that is equally oppressive. I do not believe in their ideology of revolutionary violence. Any change for me must come through a democratic government that is accountable and not through violent mass movements that have a tendency to lead to autocratic oppressive states. This however does not mean that i cannot see thorough our governments BS, a government i helped elect i might add.
The Maoists are not holding a gun to your head. On the contrary, it is the government which is holding a gun on the head of the tribals. This is not about you or your unwillingness "to surrender". Who do you think you are? Do you think this conflict is about you personally? Once again stop talking in empty rhetoric.
No, it is under way because the government wants to activate dormant mining contracts.
I have already answered on question the maoists and elections. See above.
I am not equating the Maoists and the Government. I havent even talked of Maoists. All my posts have been essentially about Tribals. About why they are supporting the Maoists. I do however equate Maoist violence and state violence.
As far as accountability goes, one of the reasons that i am critical of the government is because i elected it, it should be accountable to the questions people like me put to it.
Why is there such a huge disconnect between the common Tribal / Naxal and these BR-wannabes on ? Could part of the reason be that nearly all Indians on pak.def are considered the upper class (mostly Brahmins), and thus removed from the daily struggle to feed their and their children's mouths?! YES.
It is sad how you call for "revenge" and "blood" of these very same people who can barely survive, who must live day-to-day, not knowing if they will live to see tomorrow. With the rich / upper class of India treating their own down-stricken with contempt, how can you expect them to have any love for you???
It is difficult to accept the truth that we ourselves are the major source of the problem. Until these Brahmins can face their own skeletons, the struggle for a fair world will continue.
Lets start with your assumption, can you tell my caste? Or how much land my family owns? Or what mygrandfather did for a living?
Go ahead, make a guess.
And then find out why chru majumdar was a brahmin, or kanu sanyal or so many other maoist leaders even today? Whats with the brahmin bull dude? I know you are on a pakisani forum - trying to be adequate?
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There is nothing unusual for the leaders of a class struggle to be middle (or even upper) class. This often occurs because they have had better access to education, literature, outside-world contacts, connections, etc. Often case it is the middle-upper class that leads the lower class in the struggle. Take a look at Che Guevera, he was an middle-upper class physician.
Yes, it would be more representative if a dalit or tribal were leading the way. Perhaps there are many.
Its you who seems to be confused. You started with defending the massacre by ranting about the problems of Tribals. You defended saying that due to exploitation they are supporting Naxals and justified the massacre.The naxals fight elections? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Why would they fight elections? Their entire ideology is based on fighting a parliamentary system of government. Why would they go against their own ideology? It's like me suggesting that those goose stepping RSS fascists should become Communist. Is that really going happen?
Now its "maybe" time. having doubts about your beliefs?Mining companies may not have been there before but that does not mean there wasnt oppression. You think the naxals have popular support only because of the mining deals signed by the government? Operation Greenhunt may be about Mining companies but the larger problem has to do with the complete and total neglect and the violence that these people have faced at the hands of the state.
Where from peasant comes in this movement? What are they exploited for? First Tribals, then peasant what next workers, unemployed youth?The Maoists don't support China. The original naxalite movement under Charu Majumdar may have, but right now China is a one party capitalist dictatorship that has rejected Maoist ideology and embraced capitalism. Why would a revolutionary peasant movement support it?
Think before you talk people.
They could have elected one of there own. They choose to use gun.That is indeed an assumption. But considering the chest thumping stupidity on display in this thread, not an incorrect one.
The truth is, the majority of us live in a bubble. We have all the comforts of the new India. The government more often than not works for us. We can't imagine a situation where a community would go against a government elected to represent them. There is a failure to understand the reasons for this conflict on all levels. Reading reports on poverty in these areas does not do it justice. It needs to be seen to be believed.
Visit Rajasthan where ppl have to travel KM's daily to get water. What they should be doing?Just imagine a place where there are no schools, no hospitals, no development to speak of, a place where day to day existence is extremely difficult, a place where a government only exists on paper and the elected representatives only visit once a year during election time. A place where landlords, in connivance with the police, rule the roost and engage in random acts of violence against you or your family. The land that you till is the only hope of survival. Now, after years, nay, decades of neglect, the government comes and tells you that you need to sell of your land to make way for an industry, and if you try to protest the police beats you up or puts you behind bars for being a Maoist. In such a place, why the hell won't someone pick up a gun to fight the government?
No because they don;t allowed us to select our representative and those selected don't have enough powers.You might think this is an extreme situation and that it's not really as bad as this. You're right, its not as bad as this. It's worse. We have all read our History books which praise people like Bhagat Singh who tried to use violence against the government, albeit a foreign one, why is it then so difficult to understand the Tribal populations motivation to pick up a gun?
By the way, Bhagat Singh was also a communist.
Or because of brainwashing you have lost objectivity.No. Because when you break free from certain shackles placed on the mind in society, you are able to see through everything. This doesn't make me special, it is a result of the education that i have received.
Or if he does not agree to you he is not "right thinking person"That is the reason that the government gives us. Any right thinking individual can see through it.
Naah...make that 2..max 3...This is BIG BIG mistake they have done. This will strenthen the resolve and make the Greenhunt more bloodier. And if you think they can take on state. LTTE is finished. TTP is fighting for survival. Even bloodshed in Punjab seems to be distant memories. They are fighing for survival in AP. These blood suckers don;t have support outside jungle. They will be buried in Jungle itself.I have been critical of the media's coverage of the terrorists attacks that resulted in casualties in the Taj in the past. However that does not mean i would disbar them from reporting on an issue.
Yes exactly. The media's dependence on corporates means that they cannot ever be critical of them. Fantastic, isnt it?
I'm not the one advocating a ban on the media. You are. All i want is a media that is unbiased it's coverage. Is that too much?
We shall see five years down the line whose assessment was accurate.
You reply says otherwise. You are justifying the non-democratic way of resolving the dispute.Do you not have the ability to read and think at the same time? I have been quite clear in putting forth my arguments.
Maoists propaganda? Hmmm, this is another major problem about this conflict. Every time someone is critical of the governments actions, he or she is called a Maoist sympathizer. The imprisonment of Dr Binayak Sen is an example of this.
To paraphrase a famous saying, "If i give money to the poor, they call me a saint. But if i ask why they are poor, they call me a Maoist"
Since you are new here, let me put it across to you simply. I am as critical of the Maoists as i am of the government. I believe that they have replaced the government as being an alternate power structure that is equally oppressive. I do not believe in their ideology of revolutionary violence. Any change for me must come through a democratic government that is accountable and not through violent mass movements that have a tendency to lead to autocratic oppressive states. This however does not mean that i cannot see thorough our governments BS, a government i helped elect i might add.
Wrong again. Govt was forced to use force. Forced by the Tribals supporting violence and ppl like you making tribals feeling right by justifying the violance.The Maoists are not holding a gun to your head. On the contrary, it is the government which is holding a gun on the head of the tribals. This is not about you or your unwillingness "to surrender". Who do you think you are? Do you think this conflict is about you personally? Once again stop talking in empty rhetoric.
And what's wrong with that. You can ask for compensation and resettlement. But saying that mining should not be done at all, think again. You will be living in dark. There will not be any electricity. Either thermal or hydro, somewhere some ppl have suffered, made compromises, so that you can justify the massacre on the forums.No, it is under way because the government wants to activate dormant mining contracts.
I have already answered on question the maoists and elections. See above.
I am not equating the Maoists and the Government. I havent even talked of Maoists. All my posts have been essentially about Tribals. About why they are supporting the Maoists. I do however equate Maoist violence and state violence.
As far as accountability goes, one of the reasons that i am critical of the government is because i elected it, it should be accountable to the questions people like me put to it.
Why is there such a huge disconnect between the common Tribal / Naxal and these BR-wannabes on ? Could part of the reason be that nearly all Indians on pak.def are considered the upper class (mostly Brahmins), and thus removed from the daily struggle to feed their and their children's mouths?! YES.
It is sad how you call for "revenge" and "blood" of these very same people who can barely survive, who must live day-to-day, not knowing if they will live to see tomorrow. With the rich / upper class of India treating their own down-stricken with contempt, how can you expect them to have any love for you???
It is difficult to accept the truth that we ourselves are the major source of the problem. Until these Brahmins can face their own skeletons, the struggle for a fair world will continue.
Where there is oppression there is resistance!!!!!
Proletarians of all countries , unite !!!!!!!!!!
Underprivileged? Earn money and become privileged, Isn't this your American Capitalist Fundamentals (only if u r an american)!
Communism/Stalin/Mao/Naxals and yes of-course Congress
You ought to be a deranged man! Who was Chairman Mao? He was Chinese and its a Known fact Chinese were and are involved in supporting and funding maoists who follow ideology of Mao which was basically Anti-India, so u have maoists! What doe Maoists mean?
Don't prove how Retarded u r by giving- logic such as Naxals dont speak Mandarin, so they can't be funded by Chinese!
........On the other hand leftist Communist and maoist traitors are fooling and brainwashing tribals, converting them into Followers of already Failed system called Communism! There are agents of china all over India propagating ideology which even China does not follow these days!
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So basically you are saying that China is a failed state because it follows communism? You want to prove you are retarded by saying India is more successful than China?
Even Mao is a Chinese, why there are no Maoist violence in China?
Perhaps you are true. But if China doesn't follow, how could its agents follow?
Somebody said these days don't try to find communists in China. There is none there. If you want to look for communists, come to Washington D.C.
So, maybe CIA is funding these Maoists.