7 Questions to Pakistani Members : Article 370

[hussain0216]

We have been a "state" of war since 1947 ! Sir.
Whats New ?

What's new is that you now are trying to destroy Kashmir by allowing a rabble of dark fugly Hindu extremists into a state with a unique culture, language which seeks the democratic right to choose their future

 

[jericho]

First get out IOK then ask questions, India took Junagadh by force but is shameless enough to argue about Kashmir

 

[Chanakyaa]

What's the connection to Partition????
Partition was our right, our choice
It is India's greed which has created turmoil in South Asia

The Link I posted shows that Pakistan wants to Annex GB > There is fierce Opposition to it. Period.
My Point is, You have your own piece of kashmir which has the SAME issues like India. What makes you qualified to attach a "muslim majority" state to your landmass, when an existing part is facing urnest?

If GB was very happy to be a part of pakistan, I would have been quick to admit that yes, Pakistan has done it well. but, when GB itself doesn't want to be a part of Pakistan why should/would Kashmir be a part of it ? Whats the point ?

1.1 Enough to know its effect on Kashmir.

1.2 Yes, and yes.

2.0 A

3.0 Isolated incidents, over 95% of the population backs Pakistan.

4.0 Internationalization is still good. Kashmir didn't have this coverage before. And that can lead to "things," possibly. Look at Uighur issue as an example.

5.0 Not internal matter because it's concerning the autonomy of a disputed region. Removal of autonomy means annexation.

6.0 UNSC is keeping eye on it. India won't solve it diplomatically but at least we exhausted all diplomatic options. I don't know realistically what action is possible but war over it, now, is inevitable, maybe not today but tomorrow.

7.0 Yes, I agree but our politicians don't. Settling that requires talks. Till then for either side to prematurely express that politically is a defeat, and betrayal to people. So in talks, and consensus, it's easier.

Thanx for the reply bro. FYI, 99% of India Backs BJP Gov. for Kashmir Move, I think based on your own point, Is int enough to call it a valid move ?

First get out IOK then ask questions, India took Junagadh by force but is shameless enough to argue about Kashmir

The same applies for AJK.. No ?

What's new is that you now are trying to destroy Kashmir by allowing a rabble of dark fugly Hindu extremists into a state with a unique culture, language which seeks the democratic right to choose their future

Thats your Opinion. Not Reality. A similar 'Opinion' was made in 1947.
The differnce in 2019 is -17 Billion and +430 Billion USD.

 

[hussain0216]

The Link I posted shows that Pakistan wants to Annex GB > There is fierce Opposition to it. Period.
My Point is, You have your own piece of kashmir which has the SAME issues like India. What makes you qualified to attach a "muslim majority" state to your landmass, when an existing part is facing urnest?

If GB was very happy to be a part of pakistan, I would have been quick to admit that yes, Pakistan has done it well. but, when GB itself doesn't want to be a part of Pakistan why should/would Kashmir be a part of it ? Whats the point ?

GB is part and parcel of Pakistan, what the hell are you talking about saying it's not or doesn't want to be????

Whole of partition was a religious issue and a deep desire to break away from a union with Hindus

There is no issue in GB or Azad Kashmir they are Muslim parts of a Muslim country
There is no curfew, no denial of rights, no mass public movement against the state or attack upon our security, it's part and parcel of Pakistan as per partition

As should the rest of Kashmir be

 

[Chanakyaa]

GB is part and parcel of Pakistan, what the hell are you talking about saying it's not or doesn't want to be????

Whole of partition was a religious issue and a deep desire to break away from a union with Hindus

There is no issue in GB or Azad Kashmir they are Muslim parts of a Muslim country
There is no curfew, no denial of rights, no mass public movement against the state or attack upon our security, it's part and parcel of Pakistan as per partition

As should the rest of Kashmir be

Read and Educate Yourself : https://www.dawn.com/news/1232018

MUZAFFARABAD: The Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government has decided to “put up strong resistance” against alleged moves by Islamabad to convert Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) into a province before a settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute.

The government was also contemplating expressing its “indignation” at the alleged plans through a resolution in the next session of the Legislative Assembly, apart from creating awareness through different means among the public on its repercussions, ruling People’s Party leaders said on Saturday.

“Constitutionally and legally, the territory of Gilgit-Baltistan is part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and any attempt to secede it from the disputed region will deal a blow to the stand of Pakistan and Kashmiris regarding the longstanding dispute,” said Sardar Abid Hussain Abid, AJK Minister for Information, while talking to Dawn.

“But the federal government should avoid annexing the territory as a province, lest India may use it a justification to annex the territories of Jammu and Kashmir under its control,” he warned.

 

[hussain0216]

Thats your Opinion. Not Reality. A similar 'Opinion' was made in 1947.
The differnce in 2019 is -17 Billion and +430 Billion USD.

It's not an opinion it's what a hindutva India is trying to do..

What use did your 430 billion play in India's humiliation at Pakistans hands in February? Pakistan is ready and prepared to defend our people

 

[jericho]

The same applies for AJK.. No ?

No, stop trolling here

 

[Chanakyaa]

It's not an opinion it's what a hindutva India is trying to do..

What use did your 430 billion play in India's humiliation at Pakistans hands in February? Pakistan is ready and prepared to defend our people

But see the Irony, Since 1947 while Hindus did get finished in Pakistan.. Surprisingly their counterparts.... Muslim Population is Growing FASTEST in India.

- Our Current Ambassador to UN is a Muslim
- Our Previous Intelligence Chief was a Mulsim
- Our Previous President was a Muslim
- We have many Billionaires like Azim Premji who happen to be Muslims..

So what are you you talking about ? Pakistan has far far more secterian divide than the hindu-muslim issue in India.

Before you talk about Mulsims in India, do you know the status if Hindus in Pakistan ?

Also, in the year 2000( just after kargil ) Pakistan had won and India was humiliated. Guess what 10 Years Later... an ISI General says it was EXACT opposite.

Ms. Lodhi after UNSC.. 2 days back.. comes out and says.. we have won.. India is humiliated... Guess what.. Russian Ambassador comes out and Clears the Air...

Please come out of you la-la land.. and face the Truth.

 

[hussain0216]

Read and Educate Yourself : https://www.dawn.com/news/1232018

MUZAFFARABAD: The Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government has decided to “put up strong resistance” against alleged moves by Islamabad to convert Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) into a province before a settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute.

The government was also contemplating expressing its “indignation” at the alleged plans through a resolution in the next session of the Legislative Assembly, apart from creating awareness through different means among the public on its repercussions, ruling People’s Party leaders said on Saturday.

“Constitutionally and legally, the territory of Gilgit-Baltistan is part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and any attempt to secede it from the disputed region will deal a blow to the stand of Pakistan and Kashmiris regarding the longstanding dispute,” said Sardar Abid Hussain Abid, AJK Minister for Information, while talking to Dawn.

You read it, your confusing yourself

The issue is Kashmir is one Muslim state, their is opposition to GB being carved from Kashmir as a new unique state as opposed to seeking the complete annexation of a whole Muslim Kashmir

The issue is now further inflamed by the near total FURY amongst Kashmiris and Pakistanis at India's stupidity and hatred towards a hindutva India

 

[PurAzamBaHadaf]

Read and Educate Yourself : https://www.dawn.com/news/1232018

MUZAFFARABAD: The Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government has decided to “put up strong resistance” against alleged moves by Islamabad to convert Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) into a province before a settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute.

The government was also contemplating expressing its “indignation” at the alleged plans through a resolution in the next session of the Legislative Assembly, apart from creating awareness through different means among the public on its repercussions, ruling People’s Party leaders said on Saturday.

“Constitutionally and legally, the territory of Gilgit-Baltistan is part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and any attempt to secede it from the disputed region will deal a blow to the stand of Pakistan and Kashmiris regarding the longstanding dispute,” said Sardar Abid Hussain Abid, AJK Minister for Information, while talking to Dawn.

“But the federal government should avoid annexing the territory as a province, lest India may use it a justification to annex the territories of Jammu and Kashmir under its control,” he warned.

Sorry but I don't see 90% of the population in AJK asking to join India whereas in IoK the situation speaks for itself. Care to argue against that?

 

[Chanakyaa]

No, stop trolling here

Do you know what is 'trolling' kiddo ? you have just heard and used the word?

A Pakistan said, India should get out of IOK , but as per UN resolutions Pakistan too should get out of AJK.
If you have guts.. tell me.. where is the troll ?

 

[coffee_cup]

Read and Educate Yourself : https://www.dawn.com/news/1232018

MUZAFFARABAD: The Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government has decided to “put up strong resistance” against alleged moves by Islamabad to convert Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) into a province before a settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute.

The government was also contemplating expressing its “indignation” at the alleged plans through a resolution in the next session of the Legislative Assembly, apart from creating awareness through different means among the public on its repercussions, ruling People’s Party leaders said on Saturday.

“Constitutionally and legally, the territory of Gilgit-Baltistan is part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and any attempt to secede it from the disputed region will deal a blow to the stand of Pakistan and Kashmiris regarding the longstanding dispute,” said Sardar Abid Hussain Abid, AJK Minister for Information, while talking to Dawn.

“But the federal government should avoid annexing the territory as a province, lest India may use it a justification to annex the territories of Jammu and Kashmir under its control,” he warned.

@waz @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Slav Defence
We are at state of war with Bhartis so I fail to understand why this gangu is unbanned to spread his shyt here?

No tolerance for these terrorist Gangus on PDF please, they deserve none! No freedom of speech for these, millions of Kashmiris are living in a prison and we allow these gangus here?

Not acceptable!

 

[Chanakyaa]

Sorry but I don't see 90% of the population in AJK asking to join India whereas in IoK the situation speaks for itself. Care to argue against that?

I will be honest to admit :

1. yes, if you ask Kashmirs.. only Muslims yes they dont want India.
2. But they dont want Pakistan as well. They want Freedom from BOTH India and Pakistan.
3. You missed that There are Kashmiri Pandits who do want India and they are NATIVEs of Kashmir
4. You Entirely Forget WHY> There was no such urnet BEFORE 1988. The Urnest and rebellion was started and fueled ARTIFICIALLY by Pakistan so, its like India telling you that since there are Issues in Baluchistan, you must Free Baluchistan.

 

[Kabira]

See, India has INCREASING muslim population. That speaks volumes agaiant your "Theory" of genocide.
India will cease to exist if any govt. can go like that, you just cant kill people.

In India, even MUSLIMS are in favor to this. What if MULSIMS from other parts go and stay in Kashmir.. whats wrong? ( before answering that kashmir is for kashmiri.. Please do note Pakistan too is trying to Add GB as Fifth province )

Indian muslim population increased by 0.5% in last 70 years, all thanks to infanticide of hindu girls on mass scale. Neither they are in majority anywhere unlike kashmiri muslims. Some muslims settling in valley through marriages will not change demographics. We are talking about ethnic cleansing of locals in organised way. In a region which is disputed and its fate is still to be decided.

 

[Chanakyaa]

@waz @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Slav Defence
We are at state of war with Bhartis so I fail to understand why this gangu is unbanned to spread his shyt here?

No mercy for these Gangus on PDF please, they deserve none!

lol... I think Mature discussions are not your cup of tea.
Please go and attend the Threads where Israeli Pilots are Captured or where.. India and pak are going to have a war next week.

Indian muslim population increased by 0.5% in last 70 years, all thanks to infanticide of hindu girls on mass scale. Neither they are in majority anywhere unlike kashmiri muslims. Some muslims settling in valley through marriages will not change demographics. We are talking about ethnic cleansing of locals in organised way. In a region which is disputed and its fate is still to be decided.

Please Educate Yourself :

Population trends for major religious groups in India (1951–2011)
Religious
group Population
% 1951 Population
% 1961 Population
% 1971 Population
% 1981 Population
% 1991 Population
% 2001 Population
% 2011[59]
Hinduism 84.1% 83.45% 82.73% 82.30% 81.53% 80.46% 79.80%
Islam 9.8% 10.69% 11.21% 11.75% 12.61% 13.43% 14.23%
Christianity 2.30% 2.44% 2.60% 2.44% 2.32% 2.34% 2.30%
Sikhism 1.79% 1.79% 1.89% 1.92% 1.94% 1.87% 1.72%
Buddhism 0.74% 0.74% 0.70% 0.70% 0.77% 0.77% 0.70%
Jainism 0.46% 0.46% 0.48% 0.47% 0.40% 0.41% 0.37%
Zoroastrianism 0.13% 0.09% 0.09% 0.09% 0.08% 0.06% not counted
Others/Religion not specified 0.43% 0.43% 0.41% 0.42% 0.44% 0.72% 0.9%

between : 1951 and 2011 > It changed from 10% to 14% and we are talking about 14% of 1.3 Billion !