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By Josh Smith | KABUL

The U.S. military wants to replace Afghanistan's well-worn fleet of Russian helicopters with American-made aircraft, according to a new budget proposal, a decision aimed at reducing the Afghan air force's decades-long reliance on Russian equipment.

The Afghan air force, trained and assisted by NATO advisers, has slowly gained strength, but remains too small to meet the needs of security forces struggling to combat a stubborn Taliban insurgency.

Now the U.S. Defence Department is requesting funding to refurbish and update 53 older-model U.S. military UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters for the Afghans, enough to replace the current fleet of Russian-designed Mi-17 helicopters.

Donald Trump's victory in the U.S. presidential election, and the prospect of warmer U.S.-Russian ties, could yet impact the proposed move, but were it to go through, it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and require retraining potentially hundreds of Afghan pilots to fly the new craft.

Roughly 50 Mi-17 transport helicopters form the backbone of the air force, flying missions including troop and supply transport, medical evacuation and close air support.

Heavy fighting, hard conditions and maintenance problems have taken their toll on the fleet, however, and the U.S. military has faced legal barriers to providing new Mi-17s and parts amid deteriorating relations with Russia.

"The Department of Defence has determined that procuring U.S.-made helicopters is a more sustainable long-term solution to meet the requirements," spokesman Adam Stump said.

Among the reasons were "legal restrictions on spending DoD funds to maintain or buy more Russian helicopters."

NEW FUNDING REQUESTED

The $814 million request, made in a budget amendment submitted this month, would also provide money for other new attack aircraft for the Afghans.

It would help push the total funding for Afghan security forces to $4.2 billion for 2017, surpassing the $1.2 billion requested for arming and supporting local forces in Iraq and Syria.

Under the proposal, UH-60A helicopters earmarked for the Afghans would be taken from the U.S. Army's inventory and upgraded to a UH-60A+ variant, which Stump said was "suitable for the challenging Afghanistan environment."

Military planners hope to begin fielding the Black Hawks in Afghanistan, already a common sight during America's 15-year war there, within two years of Congress approving funding, he added.

The budget also requests funding for 30 additional armed MD-530 attack helicopters, six A-29 fixed wing close attack aircraft and five AC-208 aircraft for the Afghan air force.

Altogether, the military may order as many as 159 Black Hawks for the Afghans, said U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal, who represents Connecticut, home of the helicopter's manufacturer Sikorsky, and other lawmakers in a statement.


Of roughly 3,000 Black Hawks in use in the world, the U.S. Army operates at least 2,300, according to Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, which was acquired by military aviation giant Lockheed Martin last year.

Afghan officials in Kabul said they had yet to be officially informed of any decision, but would welcome Black Hawks.

"They have been tested in Afghanistan and can support our forces on the ground," said Mohammad Radmanish, a spokesman for the Afghan Defence Ministry.

Russia's state-owned Rostec, parent company of the main Russian military helicopter manufacturer, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state arms export agency, declined to comment, as did the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, which is the state regulator for arms exports.

RETRAINING

Since 2010, the United States has provided at least $3.7 billion to develop and support the Afghan air force, which has struggled to field enough trained crews to operate its aircraft.

Stump said there were now enough personnel. But switching to more complex Black Hawks would require retraining potentially hundreds of pilots, crew chiefs, and maintenance workers.


Captain Jason Smith, a spokesman for the coalition training wing in Kabul, said the military mission was still waiting for a decision from Congress, but "stands ready to work with our Afghan Air Force counterparts no matter what recapitalisation looks like once approved."

While many vehicles, aircraft, and weapons provided to Afghan security forces by the United States are American-made, military officials originally favoured the Mi-17 because Afghan pilots and mechanics were already familiar with it.

That decision was made at a time when the United States and Russia were cooperating on a range of Afghanistan-related issues, including a major supply route for the NATO coalition in and out of the country.

Since then the relationship has soured over conflicts in Syria and Ukraine.

Under pressure from Congress in 2013, the Pentagon scrapped a plan to spend more than $1 billion on new Mi-17s, and in 2014 President Barack Obama issued formal restrictions on doing business with Russian arms manufacturers.

With the U.S. military's endorsement, India has been involved in helping provide a handful of Russian helicopters to Afghanistan, but the Pentagon's decision would almost entirely supplant the Afghans' Russian aircraft.

While incoming president Trump campaigned on promises of protecting American manufacturing jobs, he has also signalled a desire to repair relations with Russia.

"Given President-Elect Donald Trump's desire to improve relations with Moscow, the Mi-17s could be making their return not too far down the road," said Michael Kugelman, an analyst with the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C.

While Mi-17s represent one of the most visible signs of ties between Russia and Afghanistan, Kugelman said the impact of a switch to Black Hawks would be limited, with Moscow looking at other potential arms deals and back-channel outreach to the Taliban.

(Additional reporting by Gleb Stolyarov in MOSCOW; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-afghanistan-usa-helicopters-idUKKBN13N2FW
 
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Good news. Afghanistan and India should work out planes to aquire some light fighter jets from Russian inventory funded by India. That could be very useful for standoff range bombing missions.

Will Mig21 be operated by Afghanistan? India has lots of jets about to retire. But we ourself finding it hard to maintain the fleet. 2 squadron of Mig 29s the way to go.
 
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By Josh Smith | KABUL

The U.S. military wants to replace Afghanistan's well-worn fleet of Russian helicopters with American-made aircraft, according to a new budget proposal, a decision aimed at reducing the Afghan air force's decades-long reliance on Russian equipment.

The Afghan air force, trained and assisted by NATO advisers, has slowly gained strength, but remains too small to meet the needs of security forces struggling to combat a stubborn Taliban insurgency.

Now the U.S. Defence Department is requesting funding to refurbish and update 53 older-model U.S. military UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters for the Afghans, enough to replace the current fleet of Russian-designed Mi-17 helicopters.

Donald Trump's victory in the U.S. presidential election, and the prospect of warmer U.S.-Russian ties, could yet impact the proposed move, but were it to go through, it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and require retraining potentially hundreds of Afghan pilots to fly the new craft.

Roughly 50 Mi-17 transport helicopters form the backbone of the air force, flying missions including troop and supply transport, medical evacuation and close air support.

Heavy fighting, hard conditions and maintenance problems have taken their toll on the fleet, however, and the U.S. military has faced legal barriers to providing new Mi-17s and parts amid deteriorating relations with Russia.

"The Department of Defence has determined that procuring U.S.-made helicopters is a more sustainable long-term solution to meet the requirements," spokesman Adam Stump said.

Among the reasons were "legal restrictions on spending DoD funds to maintain or buy more Russian helicopters."

NEW FUNDING REQUESTED

The $814 million request, made in a budget amendment submitted this month, would also provide money for other new attack aircraft for the Afghans.

It would help push the total funding for Afghan security forces to $4.2 billion for 2017, surpassing the $1.2 billion requested for arming and supporting local forces in Iraq and Syria.

Under the proposal, UH-60A helicopters earmarked for the Afghans would be taken from the U.S. Army's inventory and upgraded to a UH-60A+ variant, which Stump said was "suitable for the challenging Afghanistan environment."

Military planners hope to begin fielding the Black Hawks in Afghanistan, already a common sight during America's 15-year war there, within two years of Congress approving funding, he added.

The budget also requests funding for 30 additional armed MD-530 attack helicopters, six A-29 fixed wing close attack aircraft and five AC-208 aircraft for the Afghan air force.

Altogether, the military may order as many as 159 Black Hawks for the Afghans, said U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal, who represents Connecticut, home of the helicopter's manufacturer Sikorsky, and other lawmakers in a statement.


Of roughly 3,000 Black Hawks in use in the world, the U.S. Army operates at least 2,300, according to Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, which was acquired by military aviation giant Lockheed Martin last year.

Afghan officials in Kabul said they had yet to be officially informed of any decision, but would welcome Black Hawks.

"They have been tested in Afghanistan and can support our forces on the ground," said Mohammad Radmanish, a spokesman for the Afghan Defence Ministry.

Russia's state-owned Rostec, parent company of the main Russian military helicopter manufacturer, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state arms export agency, declined to comment, as did the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, which is the state regulator for arms exports.

RETRAINING

Since 2010, the United States has provided at least $3.7 billion to develop and support the Afghan air force, which has struggled to field enough trained crews to operate its aircraft.

Stump said there were now enough personnel. But switching to more complex Black Hawks would require retraining potentially hundreds of pilots, crew chiefs, and maintenance workers.


Captain Jason Smith, a spokesman for the coalition training wing in Kabul, said the military mission was still waiting for a decision from Congress, but "stands ready to work with our Afghan Air Force counterparts no matter what recapitalisation looks like once approved."

While many vehicles, aircraft, and weapons provided to Afghan security forces by the United States are American-made, military officials originally favoured the Mi-17 because Afghan pilots and mechanics were already familiar with it.

That decision was made at a time when the United States and Russia were cooperating on a range of Afghanistan-related issues, including a major supply route for the NATO coalition in and out of the country.

Since then the relationship has soured over conflicts in Syria and Ukraine.

Under pressure from Congress in 2013, the Pentagon scrapped a plan to spend more than $1 billion on new Mi-17s, and in 2014 President Barack Obama issued formal restrictions on doing business with Russian arms manufacturers.

With the U.S. military's endorsement, India has been involved in helping provide a handful of Russian helicopters to Afghanistan, but the Pentagon's decision would almost entirely supplant the Afghans' Russian aircraft.

While incoming president Trump campaigned on promises of protecting American manufacturing jobs, he has also signalled a desire to repair relations with Russia.

"Given President-Elect Donald Trump's desire to improve relations with Moscow, the Mi-17s could be making their return not too far down the road," said Michael Kugelman, an analyst with the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C.

While Mi-17s represent one of the most visible signs of ties between Russia and Afghanistan, Kugelman said the impact of a switch to Black Hawks would be limited, with Moscow looking at other potential arms deals and back-channel outreach to the Taliban.

(Additional reporting by Gleb Stolyarov in MOSCOW; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-afghanistan-usa-helicopters-idUKKBN13N2FW

What a waste of taxpayer money :-( !!!

How on earth are the Afghans going to maintain a sophisticated platform like the UH-60??
 
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By Josh Smith | KABUL

The U.S. military wants to replace Afghanistan's well-worn fleet of Russian helicopters with American-made aircraft, according to a new budget proposal, a decision aimed at reducing the Afghan air force's decades-long reliance on Russian equipment.

The Afghan air force, trained and assisted by NATO advisers, has slowly gained strength, but remains too small to meet the needs of security forces struggling to combat a stubborn Taliban insurgency.

Now the U.S. Defence Department is requesting funding to refurbish and update 53 older-model U.S. military UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters for the Afghans, enough to replace the current fleet of Russian-designed Mi-17 helicopters.

Donald Trump's victory in the U.S. presidential election, and the prospect of warmer U.S.-Russian ties, could yet impact the proposed move, but were it to go through, it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and require retraining potentially hundreds of Afghan pilots to fly the new craft.

Roughly 50 Mi-17 transport helicopters form the backbone of the air force, flying missions including troop and supply transport, medical evacuation and close air support.

Heavy fighting, hard conditions and maintenance problems have taken their toll on the fleet, however, and the U.S. military has faced legal barriers to providing new Mi-17s and parts amid deteriorating relations with Russia.

"The Department of Defence has determined that procuring U.S.-made helicopters is a more sustainable long-term solution to meet the requirements," spokesman Adam Stump said.

Among the reasons were "legal restrictions on spending DoD funds to maintain or buy more Russian helicopters."

NEW FUNDING REQUESTED

The $814 million request, made in a budget amendment submitted this month, would also provide money for other new attack aircraft for the Afghans.

It would help push the total funding for Afghan security forces to $4.2 billion for 2017, surpassing the $1.2 billion requested for arming and supporting local forces in Iraq and Syria.

Under the proposal, UH-60A helicopters earmarked for the Afghans would be taken from the U.S. Army's inventory and upgraded to a UH-60A+ variant, which Stump said was "suitable for the challenging Afghanistan environment."

Military planners hope to begin fielding the Black Hawks in Afghanistan, already a common sight during America's 15-year war there, within two years of Congress approving funding, he added.

The budget also requests funding for 30 additional armed MD-530 attack helicopters, six A-29 fixed wing close attack aircraft and five AC-208 aircraft for the Afghan air force.

Altogether, the military may order as many as 159 Black Hawks for the Afghans, said U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal, who represents Connecticut, home of the helicopter's manufacturer Sikorsky, and other lawmakers in a statement.


Of roughly 3,000 Black Hawks in use in the world, the U.S. Army operates at least 2,300, according to Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, which was acquired by military aviation giant Lockheed Martin last year.

Afghan officials in Kabul said they had yet to be officially informed of any decision, but would welcome Black Hawks.

"They have been tested in Afghanistan and can support our forces on the ground," said Mohammad Radmanish, a spokesman for the Afghan Defence Ministry.

Russia's state-owned Rostec, parent company of the main Russian military helicopter manufacturer, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state arms export agency, declined to comment, as did the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, which is the state regulator for arms exports.

RETRAINING

Since 2010, the United States has provided at least $3.7 billion to develop and support the Afghan air force, which has struggled to field enough trained crews to operate its aircraft.

Stump said there were now enough personnel. But switching to more complex Black Hawks would require retraining potentially hundreds of pilots, crew chiefs, and maintenance workers.


Captain Jason Smith, a spokesman for the coalition training wing in Kabul, said the military mission was still waiting for a decision from Congress, but "stands ready to work with our Afghan Air Force counterparts no matter what recapitalisation looks like once approved."

While many vehicles, aircraft, and weapons provided to Afghan security forces by the United States are American-made, military officials originally favoured the Mi-17 because Afghan pilots and mechanics were already familiar with it.

That decision was made at a time when the United States and Russia were cooperating on a range of Afghanistan-related issues, including a major supply route for the NATO coalition in and out of the country.

Since then the relationship has soured over conflicts in Syria and Ukraine.

Under pressure from Congress in 2013, the Pentagon scrapped a plan to spend more than $1 billion on new Mi-17s, and in 2014 President Barack Obama issued formal restrictions on doing business with Russian arms manufacturers.

With the U.S. military's endorsement, India has been involved in helping provide a handful of Russian helicopters to Afghanistan, but the Pentagon's decision would almost entirely supplant the Afghans' Russian aircraft.

While incoming president Trump campaigned on promises of protecting American manufacturing jobs, he has also signalled a desire to repair relations with Russia.

"Given President-Elect Donald Trump's desire to improve relations with Moscow, the Mi-17s could be making their return not too far down the road," said Michael Kugelman, an analyst with the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C.

While Mi-17s represent one of the most visible signs of ties between Russia and Afghanistan, Kugelman said the impact of a switch to Black Hawks would be limited, with Moscow looking at other potential arms deals and back-channel outreach to the Taliban.

(Additional reporting by Gleb Stolyarov in MOSCOW; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-afghanistan-usa-helicopters-idUKKBN13N2FW

Interesting...


My question is, how will Afghanistan maintain all of this after the u.s leaves?
 
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Interesting...

My question is, how will Afghanistan maintain all of this after the u.s leaves?

I don't see US mentors leaving Afghanistan anytime soon, at least not this decade, the infrastructure is almost developed for the maintenance and a handful of maintenance staff has graduated from USA, UAE, UK and Turkey the rest are under training; AAF is moving forward steadily hopefully within 10 years you might see few squadron of fighter aircraft in AAF.

There will be annual military aid of $4.1 billion to Afghanistan for a decade.
 
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Train them . Afghans can will be effective if the pressure on their government is relaxed by the Talibans .
 
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Afghanistan needs a few more of those A-29s.
One of these with 8 hours uptime can protect a long road
between two cities or interdict insurgency all the way up the
mountains ( 10km ceiling ).

Just landing 15 of these 60A+ would require a couple nearby
for CAS for the 150+ troops especially considering the light,
quick and sweeping ground coverage habits of the local fighters.

Good day all, Tay.
 
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Time will answer your question, have patience.

Time does not need to -- Why should my tax dollars go into buying your country weapons.

If you want to buy it with your tax Dollars or Afghanis by all means -- what do I care -- but not with my hard earned tax dollars.

Interesting...


My question is, how will Afghanistan maintain all of this after the u.s leaves?

They cannot currently maintain the humvees the US has provided if that will answer your question.

The Russian equipment is cheaper and is designed to be maintained by an unskilled workforce.

As another yard stick -- KSA and many of the Gulf states has US and Western contracts that maintain their advanced weapon systems.

That Afghanistan can maintain a sophisticated weapon system like the Black Hawk is a cruel joke.

And further still -- it is being funded by the hardworking US taxpayer. Have you seen the state our metro transport system is in -- and we're giving Afghans billions of dollars of toys they can't use and will probably end up as expensive scrap
 
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Time does not need to -- Why should my tax dollars go into buying your country weapons.

If you want to buy it with your tax Dollars or Afghanis by all means -- what do I care -- but not with my hard earned tax dollars.



They cannot currently maintain the humvees the US has provided if that will answer your question.

The Russian equipment is cheaper and is designed to be maintained by an unskilled workforce.

As another yard stick -- KSA and many of the Gulf states has US and Western contracts that maintain their advanced weapon systems.

That Afghanistan can maintain a sophisticated weapon system like the Black Hawk is a cruel joke.

And further still -- it is being funded by the hardworking US taxpayer. Have you seen the state our metro transport system is in -- and we're giving Afghans billions of dollars of toys they can't use and will probably end up as expensive scrap

Don't pretend you are smarter than your own government.
 
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Interesting...


My question is, how will Afghanistan maintain all of this after the u.s leaves?

This fellow is still counting on "US withdrawal".. :lol::lol:

US withdrew its force from Iraq in 2011.

In 2016.....

but then.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014–present)

Sometimes,USA is Gandalf,and other times,its Magnito.

gandalf-vs-magneto.jpg
 
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Don't pretend you are smarter than your own government.

My dear, our government does not pretend to be smarter than its citizens.

The great thing about the US is that we all agree that our government does many stupid things: Vietnam War, Overthrowing the Mossadeq government in Iran, the Bay of Pigs crisis in Cuba. The huge waste in Afghanistan as documented by Spokeo's office.

So as a US citizen, I am privileged that I can dare to think that I can be smarter than our government and even have the possible good fortune to be proven right ;-) and at a minimum I can write to my congressmen expressing my outrage that my tax dollars are going to fund Helicopters for your country when it should your tax Afghanis (if you pay tax that is). Who knows they may even listen.
 
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Good news. Afghanistan and India should work out planes to aquire some light fighter jets from Russian inventory funded by India. That could be very useful for standoff range bombing missions.

Will Mig21 be operated by Afghanistan? India has lots of jets about to retire. But we ourself finding it hard to maintain the fleet. 2 squadron of Mig 29s the way to go.

We will retire it. But it will be put in reserve until a credible air defence squadron is achieved. That is 45. Or 62. So until unless we build 300 Tejas I see no way Afghans are going to Mig 21 Bison. Fighting Taliban they need a good ground attack aircraft and I dont see any other than Jaguar fitting that bill.
 
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