525MW Nandipur power plant starts test run

[naveedahmed86]

Who is responsible for loss of 10 billions?

 

[BMM Solar]

Sir a fa

A facility occupying THOUSANDS of acres of land that needs THOUSANDS of people that are required for maintenance and operational works is bound to become a management catastrophe in our country. That is why i argue that Solar should be pitched as an individual level solutions and for national level, more feasible solutions should be followed specially considering the potential they have in our country.

If anyone was expecting this government to manage a facility spreading over THOUSANDS of acres with each sq. foot of it housing the the power generating panel was making a mistake. This is Pakistan, yahan har panel pa aik bnda and har bndy pa aik manager lagao gy tu koi kaam krain gy

More people means more jobs. And why should we care if 1000 people manage it or 10 when O&M cost is lowest in comparison. Corruption and mismanagement that can potentially destroy any project usually start at higher ranks.

 

[Arsalan]

More people means more jobs. And why should we care if 1000 people manage it or 10 when O&M cost is lowest in comparison. Corruption and mismanagement that can potentially destroy any project usually start at higher ranks.

It seems that i have failed to make my point.

Personally, i feel that there are potentially alternate source that are MUCH MORE FEASIBLE and beneficial for a country like OUR!! I have named them again and again, Hydel being top of the list since Pakistan being an agriculture country needs water storage and management, electricity can be a by-product of all that. Then there wind energy since we do have a high potential wind corridor that can generate electricity. Roughly 1.5 MW to 2 MW per single wind mill makes much more sense than 6000 panels spread over some two hundred thousand square feet of land generating electricity for some 10-12 hours a day. I do not say that Solar power is bad or not required, my argument is just that for PAKISTAN in particular, an ideal approach would have been to push for Solar at individual level and for national level work should be done of other sources of energy generation. Please do let me know why you think this is not RIGHT and why Solar should be the priority?

 

[Arsalan]

Who is responsible for loss of 10 billions?

Imran Khan! He married Reham Khan remember?

Anyway, do not worry, Nawaz Sharif is going to pay this amount fom his own pocket. This is what leaders are like!!

@django @Zibago @Hell hound @RealNapster @Mentee

 

[BMM Solar]

It seems that i have failed to make my point.

Personally, i feel that there are potentially alternate source that are MUCH MORE FEASIBLE and beneficial for a country like OUR!! I have named them again and again, Hydel being top of the list since Pakistan being an agriculture country needs water storage and management, electricity can be a by-product of all that. Then there wind energy since we do have a high potential wind corridor that can generate electricity. Roughly 1.5 MW to 2 MW per single wind mill makes much more sense than 6000 panels spread over some two hundred thousand square feet of land generating electricity for some 10-12 hours a day. I do not say that Solar power is bad or not required, my argument is just that for PAKISTAN in particular, an ideal approach would have been to push for Solar at individual level and for national level work should be done of other sources of energy generation. Please do let me know why you think this is not RIGHT and why Solar should be the priority?

It all depends on how you define priority. If you remember my earlier comments I emphasized in maintaining a healthy energy mix instead of making any source a priority. You are advocating solar is suitable for individuals and not on large scale but it's quite the contrary in this case. I have no beef with water reserves but IPPs and oil mafia have a monopoly at the top and they won't let things happen in the right direction. The number of foreign reserves wasted on the imports of Gen-sets is a waste and should have been put into solar instead. Similarly, the oil plants we run at day time to cater for the peak load should be converted to solar instead. Solar today has its own niche in healthy energy mix like other sources and cost wise it beats RFO plants hands down.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Ab start bhi ker do !!!!!! .. How much pushing is required from back ?

A bit disappointing to see this project struggling specially since it was brand new and just complete such problems , if they go beyond few months the contractor normally has to pay fines

 

[Arsalan]

It all depends on how you define priority. If you remember my earlier comments I emphasized in maintaining a healthy energy mix instead of making any source a priority. You are advocating solar is suitable for individuals and not on large scale but it's quite the contrary in this case. I have no beef with water reserves but IPPs and oil mafia have a monopoly at the top and they won't let things happen in the right direction. The number of foreign reserves wasted on the imports of Gen-sets is a waste and should have been put into solar instead. Similarly, the oil plants we run at day time to cater for the peak load should be converted to solar instead. Solar today has its own niche in healthy energy mix like other sources and cost wise it beats RFO plants hands down.

GAS is a big NO NO and if you refer to my earlier posts you will see that i mentioned them at the very last, AFTER Solar. To me it should be a mix of Hydel (storage), Hydel (run of the river),Wind abd then nuclear. Followed by coal and then Solar at small scale, preferable at individual level and at best at organizational/institution level or may be project level. Gas and Oil are the absolutely last option as they burn loads of foreign exchange.

 

[BMM Solar]

GAS is a big NO NO and if you refer to my earlier posts you will see that i mentioned them at the very last, AFTER Solar. To me it should be a mix of Hydel (storage), Hydel (run of the river),Wind abd then nuclear. Followed by coal and then Solar at small scale, preferable at individual level and at best at organizational/institution level or may be project level. Gas and Oil are the absolutely last option as they burn loads of foreign exchange.

So in a nutshell importing machinery is fine but anything running on imported fuel as well should be avoided. We should tap into resources we find at home first before resorting to imports.

 

[Arsalan]

So in a nutshell importing machinery is fine but anything running on imported fuel as well should be avoided. We should tap into resources we find at home first before resorting to imports.

ALWAYS!!
The resources that can be:

1. Found at home
2. Have as many benefits as possible
3. Provide cheap electricity

In this order i would say.

 

[MULUBJA]

Recently a great development has taken place in power sector of India. Some foreign agencies has quoted a bid for Rs 2.44 and Rs 2.45 for solar power in India. I recommend pakistan to go for that so that Pakistan to go for open bidding of thermal power plant so that they may get quick reliable and cheap power.

 

[Finer]

BS
Pml n had feasibility of 10 hydro projects in hand . and it did nothing kalabagh is excuse.

Even munda dam cost less than nandipur. It was stopped citing lack of funds

How can PMLN had feasibility of 10 hydro projects when PMLN never ruled more than one year in each terms before met military takeover?

Even then, in 3rd term, PMLN has already invested borrowed-billion-dollars-loans on the energy sectors citing solar, wind and dam that are set to be operational within 2020-2025 projectively.

Khala baag dam would have been the best thing happened to Pakistan. You have no idea about the capability of its powers, do you? It would have put Pakistan on map. Guess who opposed PMLN's project Khaala baag dam?

 

[ziaulislam]

How can PMLN had feasibility of 10 hydro projects when PMLN never ruled more than one year in each terms before met military takeover?

Even then, in 3rd term, PMLN has already invested borrowed-billion-dollars-loans on the energy sectors citing solar, wind and dam that are set to be operational within 2020-2025 projectively.

Khala baag dam would have been the best thing happened to Pakistan. You have no idea about the capability of its powers, do you? It would have put Pakistan on map. Guess who opposed PMLN's project Khaala baag dam?

just claims no facts, can you list a single project hydro project PML N started in last 4 years(not including private sector or the one which fianancing were arranged by PPPP)

please dont list bhasha and dasu because in last 4 years nothing done, infact dasu had all fiancnes arranged via WB ,yet govt incompetence lead to its delay, tarbela was delayed,govt even wasted 50M$

Pakistan has not invested anything in power sector, its all private investment, we just invested in metro projects and motor ways (2-3b$)

just last 1 years we started some gas projects under govt banner as PML N realized it might loss elections, but nothing was invested in first 3 years
what type of solar and wind project takes 10 years to build(2025???)

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

As stated before in any western country , a "Neglect" of such magnitude would be a criminal offence crime

a) Incorrect estimates
b) Incorrect contract preparation that does not binds the contractor to Job completed and release
c) The excessive 3 year over budget (folks get fired for 2-4 months overbudget projects)

In China itself , the contractor would be hanged if they hurt national interest

3 Year delay is a unresponsible , behavior of neglect and unaccountability of such a massive financial project


Seems like Pakistan does not have clasuses in contract , "FINISH ON time otherwise you work for free till completion"

The Pakistani projects specially contracts are a chance for contractors to get 2-3 extensions after bidding low figures in initial bidding process. If you could not complete the project on time , why even bothered to bid on project

 

[Finer]

just claims no facts, can you list a single project hydro project PML N started in last 4 years(not including private sector or the one which fianancing were arranged by PPPP)

please dont list bhasha and dasu because in last 4 years nothing done, infact dasu had all fiancnes arranged via WB ,yet govt incompetence lead to its delay, tarbela was delayed,govt even wasted 50M$

Pakistan has not invested anything in power sector, its all private investment, we just invested in metro projects and motor ways (2-3b$)

just last 1 years we started some gas projects under govt banner as PML N realized it might loss elections, but nothing was invested in first 3 years
what type of solar and wind project takes 10 years to build(2025???)

The energy sector has been invested in the last three years. In fact, it was documented and even articles covered that. If you haven't heard about the development reports, then google is your best friend. I am not gonna spoon fed you especially you come as know-it-all yet remains oblivious to the reality.

Again, PMLN invested billion dollars which was spent on energy sectors, metro projects, CPEC and military operation. Do you think military operation cost no money?

All those investments started in the last three years which means for them to be operational within 10-15 years at best. Bear in mind, it was not PMLN that ruling during 2001-2013. Before that, his project 'Khaala baag dam' was shot down by the consensus following by most political leaders including some in PTI. Ask your dear Khattak.

I think your best questions should be directed at the previous ruling that did nothing on the energy sectors for years, and even left Nangipur project as abandoned which then revived by PMLN in the year of 2013-2014.

Since the investment just started pouring in, we have no choice but to wait for them to be operational within 10-15 years provided no interference happens during the course of the development, but with the uncertain future of political stability, one can never be too sure.