500th Indian “Flying Coffin”

[Reichsmarschall]

IAF MiG-21s may have been flying coffins 10 years back.
But now the title belongs to PAF Mirages and F-7s; 23 of them have crashed in past six years leading to the death of 14 fighter pilots.

23> 500 #SoupaPawaLogic

 

[AyanRay]

1 was lost during testing... Due to unstrengthened part.
Since the last decade...
100 have been produced.
Clocked over 40,000 flying hours.
Flown combat missions.
Participated in several international airshows.
Exported to 2 countries.

Meanwhil how man indians have died in aircrashes in the same time? you clowns even managed to crash a brand new C-130. LMAO

Less Indians have died in air crashes than Pakistanis. More SU30s have been produced in India than JF-17s in Pakistan. (Yes the Indian content in SU30 is more than the Pakistani content in JF-17). Btw, have your technicians learnt ADA yet, last time I heard, the Chinese had to do the codings in JF-17 with vintage C++, because Pakistani engineers don't understand ADA.

23> 500 #SoupaPawaLogic

So 500 crashed in last 6 years? #FailedCountryLogic

 

[Reichsmarschall]

So 500 crashed in last 6 years? #FailedCountryLogic

crashes are only Crashes if they happened in last 6 years #RogueStateLogic

Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?

Andrew NorthSouth Asia correspondent@NorthAndrewon Twitter

• 16 October 2014

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Image captionSukhoi 30 planes belonging to India's air force fly in formation with a Globemaster III
Are India's ageing air force planes falling out of the sky?

All air forces have accidents, but accounts of Indian warplanes crashing on training flights have become almost routine news.

The latest incident came earlier this week, when a Russian-made Sukhoi-30 crashed in eastern India - both pilots surviving after ejecting for unspecified reasons.

All five crew died in March this year on a training flight in their US-made Hercules transport aircraft.

'Flying coffin'
But it is the Russian-made aircraft that form the backbone of the Indian fleet which have been the most accident-prone. The MiG jet in particular has become known as the "flying coffin" or the "widow maker".

Two years ago, India's then defence minister told an astonished parliament that more than half the 872 MiGs it had purchased from Russia had been lost in accidents, at a cost of over 200 lives.

Apparently, pilots regularly complain that some MiG models land too fast and that the design of the window canopy means they can't see the runway properly.

The Indian air force has gradually been retiring the older planes - some dating back to the 1960s.

Yet only this month the air force chief warned the delay in introducing replacements was putting India's security at risk as parts of the fleet were on "their last legs".

Image copyrightAP
Image captionAn MiG-21 jet crashed into this building in Rajasthan in 2002
Meanwhile, India's regional rival China continues to leap ahead in both spending and firepower.

Indian-designed warplanes have so far not been up to the job. But more than two years since a deal was signed to buy 126 Rafale fighters from France, the bargaining goes on.

Some say it's not what India needs though.

If it does eventually buy French, that will only worsen matters, warns Delhi-based defence analyst Bharat Karnad.

"We have a diversity problem," he says, referring to the wide variety of planes the air force already uses, "making it much harder to keep training and maintenance up to standard".

The Russians have also been accused of being tardy with supplies of spare parts. India - now the world's largest arms importer - is increasingly turning to the West for its weapons. The US is now its number one supplier.

Yet Mr Karnad fears Western nations will hold up critical spare parts and support "as a means of political leverage on India", something he believes the Russians are less prone to do.

But it's not just the air force that has a problem with its gear.

Just yesterday [Tuesday], a former Indian navy chief lashed out at defence ministry as "so dysfunctional" he couldn't even order "a set of batteries" for his submarines.

Admiral DK Joshi made headlines last year after resigning following a series of submarine accidents that left 18 sailors dead. As it happens, the vessels involved were also Russian-made.

The new Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, partly won office on the back of hopes he will put India on course to becoming a superpower and has promised to modernise the military.

But it's an old challenge, says retired navy officer Uday Bhaskar. "Finding the solution is something that's eluded every Indian leader until now."

 

[Alphacharlie]

This Forum has Zero Credibility and level of comments is taht of 16 yrs old Boys Yapping!!

 

[Reichsmarschall]

This Forum has Zero Credibility and level of comments is taht of 16 yrs old Boys Yapping!!

ok

 

[CoffeeByte]

23> 500 #SoupaPawaLogic

Only data that matters to determine the present day attrition rates of air force is the crashes over past 5-6 years, any older crashes are regarded as too old & ancient.

So based on recent data, while fighter jet crashes have cost lives of 14 PAF pilots in past 6 years, in same period only 4 Indian pilots died.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Only data that matters to determine the present day attrition rates of air force is the crashes over past 5-6 years, any older crashes are regarded as too old & ancient.

So based on recent data, while fighter jet crashes have cost lives of 14 PAF pilots in past 6 years, in same period only 4 Indian pilots died.

for every one PAF crash you have 3 crashes

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Less Indians have died in air crashes than Pakistanis.

you set the record for 2000 crashes half a decade ago. that too in less than 3 decades.

More SU30s have been produced in India than JF-17s in Pakistan. (Yes the Indian content in SU30 is more than the Pakistani content in JF-17). Btw, have your technicians learnt ADA yet, last time I heard, the Chinese had to do the codings in JF-17 with vintage C++, because Pakistani engineers don't understand ADA.

Sure JF isnt Pak, neither can Pak understand ADA (neither americans using C++ in their F-35)..

But vedic indians do... they even manged to crash multiple supa dopa vedic russkie su-30s in the same period (as just 1 JF) alone alone other indian flying coffins, which is also plagued by non-availability due to maintanence)..

So 500 crashed in last 6 years? #FailedCountryLogic

More like almost 3 ,000 since late 70s.

 

[CoffeeByte]

for every one PAF crash you have 3 crashes

In last six years, 29 IAF fighter jets crashed whereas PAF lost 24.
Since IAF is almost twice the size of PAF, Pakistan has a worse crash rate.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

In last six years, 29 IAF fighter jets crashed whereas PAF lost 24.
Since IAF is almost twice the size of PAF, Pakistan has a worse crash rate.

in another Thread your argument was different
16 PLAAF loses Vs 15 IAF loses and you were calling it very good

 

[sathya]

whats this in all threads..?
Whats the trigger this time ?

 

[Han Patriot]

in another Thread your argument was different
16 PLAAF loses Vs 15 IAF loses and you were calling it very good

I rechecked his figures, its 23/400 versus 16/800. They have almost double crash rate vis a vis China.

Funny of all, their so called superior pilots crashed a C-130 while taxiing. Nuff said, this guys are clowns.

 

[CoffeeByte]

in another Thread your argument was different
16 PLAAF loses Vs 15 IAF loses and you were calling it very good

PLAAF 4th gen losses are not 16 but far higher.
16 ones are just the crashes in which their top/senior pilots died or happened in populated areas.

 

[Han Patriot]

PLAAF 4th gen losses are not 16 but far higher.
16 ones are just the crashes in which their top/senior pilots died or happened in populated areas.

Caught you with your pants down lying, first you said it was only 15 crashes, you crashed 23/<400 aircraft.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

PLAAF 4th gen losses are not 16 but far higher.
16 ones are just the crashes in which their top/senior pilots died or happened in populated areas.

your argument and logic is flawed boy stop cherry picking looks like you will take U turn and refute your own statement any time to win another argument