50 years of Independence: Once basket case, Bangladesh now marches ahead of Pakistan

[Iltutmish]

You hail your poverty, illiteracy, low life expectancy as dignity..... each to their own I suppose....

I am rather a poor Pakistani than a Hindu slave Bangladeshi.

 

[Black_cats]

You just said what I did.

Sir.

Leave your ego aside. We are brothers. Elder and younger.

We were there when you needed us. No one is reminding you constantly of that.

You are progressing. We are progressing. Independently.

We do not ask for your gratitude. But we will not change history to assuage your ego.

Cheers, Doc

There was a civil war and India helped for it's own interest and we needed assistance we accepted it during that time. It was business deal.

India was a poor country and even had less per capita gdp than Bangladesh in 1971 and it lacked financial muscle to continue a military occupation in Bangladesh and Bangladeshi population would not allow it and would force Indian troops to leave one way or another.

We do not even consider USA as big brother what has made you think we think India as elder brother? We are neighbor and prefer friendly relation like all other country but this aspect is lacking from India. Bring out this big brother type mindset and propaganda that 20 million Bangladeshis are living in India. Reciprocate the favors that Bangladesh has provided to you so far by fulfilling the promised deal.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

I am rather a poor Pakistani than a Hindu slave Bangladeshi.

Fact- BD said we're better off getting independence because these guys don't know how to run a country and we will forever suffer. After Independence they achieved what they set out to do. Hence their decision to opt for independence has been proven to be justified.

 

[padamchen]

There was a civil war and India helped for it's own interest and we needed assistance we accepted it during that time. It was business deal.

Now we are going in circles, ascribing motives to the long dead sir.

I have made my point. I came into the thread to appreciate what little I have seen of Bangladesh very recently.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

There was a civil war and India helped for it's own interest and we needed assistance we accepted it during that time. It was business deal.

India was a poor country and even had less per capita gdp than Bangladesh in 1971 and it lacked financial muscle to continue a military occupation in Bangladesh and Bangladeshi population would not allow it and would force Indian troops to leave one way or another.

We do not even consider USA as big brother what has made you think we think India as elder brother? We are neighbor and prefer friendly relation like all other country but this aspect is lacking from India. Bring out this big brother type mindset and propaganda that 20 million Bangladeshis are living in India. Reciprocate the favors that Bangladesh has provided to you so far by fulfilling the promised deal.

India had no intention of 'occupying' Bangladesh. All we wanted was that the BD people who fled the civil war return to their homeland and the situation becomes calm again. We had to pay a significant price for it, with several of our soldiers killed. It is important BD remember that sacrifice. If we had decided not to send our military your liberation would not have been so quick.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

I don't post much on here anymore because the poster quality of this forum has been going downhill. But why is it that every few weeks i return here, i see another thread like this?

I understand that the Bangladeshis are doing better now in terms of economy and all, and they've recently even surpassed India by a bit (which i don't think should be a good standard to set lol) But don't you think it's a bit too early to start rubbing this into others faces? No offence to Bangladeshis, I'm glad you guys are developing faster than Pakistan, But honestly the comparison of our geopolitical scenario is vastly different from yours, Had you guys had to deal with half the things we did and still managed to presevere through it as we did, Then your reactions makes sense.

Now i'm not talking about whether we brought it upon ourselves or not, half of it is our fault + immense internal corruption and the other half of it is the changing political regional instability of our region, but that is why the comparison between the situation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is kinda undoable.

Bangladesh is more fortunate than Pakistan, because it does not have foreign elements repeatedly trying to destablize their country to the extent Pakistan has. Though it is left mostly dependant on a Fascist Hindu Country, you guys still managed to live in relative stability. Whereas Pakistan has have had to deal with a different war for nearly every decade since our creation. We have a literal Destroyed Nation on our West which has created a vacuum of instability in the entire nation, with several foreign agencies operating in it to keep a eye on the neighboring states. To our East sits a Nation that repeatedly wants to disintegrate our nation in a bazillion different ways, or wants to gain a upper hand in controling our resources that they don't have any right to. Then i won't even get to the US-China or Israel factor and how that also has a impact on our internal dynamics. Not to mention the War on Terror that literally ended just a few years ago and we've just started to come out of that.

Frankly put, You cannot compare Bangladesh to Pakistan no matter how much you try. Sure Bangladesh has tensions with India and Myanmar, but the events that occured in your part of the world are not nearly as disasterous as the ones that occured and continue to occur in our part of the world. I'm not butthurt in the slightest that Bangladesh is doing well, Infact i really hope to see it become the lavish region it deserves to become. But the way the Bengalis are trying to Rub this fact into our faces when they are no 1st or even 2nd world country themselves, when they haven't dealt and survived in the same geopolitical scenarios as we have, is just.... cheap, it lessens the impact of your progress. There's no equal footing here, if you want to boast about your progress, do it in a way that doesn't make it look like a joke.

East and West Pakistan should have never been a single country , but unfortunately you guys were forced into a union with us. Our destinies are different , there is no point where they intersect. Frankly, what happens in Bangladesh doesn't have much impact in Pakistan and vice versa. So what's with this mudslinging match here?

I'd love to see Bangladesh deal with the same things as us and come out unscathed x"""D But i won't argue on the fact that you guys have been working hard for the progress you're getting now, Kudos for that. But i think it's still too soon to start celebrating in this way


Good Luck To Bangladesh

 

[Black_cats]

India had no intention of 'occupying' Bangladesh. All we wanted was that the BD people who fled the civil war return to their homeland and the situation becomes calm again. We had to pay a significant price for it, with several of our soldiers killed. It is important BD remember that sacrifice. If we had decided not to send our military your liberation would not have been so quick.

Most of them were hindus roughly 90% and they returned. India received international assistance for hosting the refugees and with the war loot India recovered a big portion of their war cost and Pakistan also had to pay to India.

Obviously we honor and respect the Indian soldiers who lost their life during 1971 and government has repeatedly said that number of times.

But one thing is for certain India provided assistance to Bangladesh for its own geostrategic gain to break up Pakistan. Helping Bangladesh was less priority.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Most of them were hindus roughly 90% and they returned. India received international assistance for hosting the refugees and with the war loot India recovered a big portion of their war cost and Pakistan also had to pay to India.

Obviously we honor and respect the Indian soldiers who lost their life during 1971 and government has repeatedly said that number of times.

But one thing is for certain India provided assistance to Bangladesh for its own geostrategic gain to break up Pakistan. Helping Bangladesh was less priority.

You think so? Like how Bangladeshis are fighting wars with Rohingyas to ensure their return? How many years has it been since they came into BD? You're getting 'assistance'. No amount of 'global assistance' matches the enormous resources we spent in mobilizing our tanks, millions of soldiers and aircraft carriers to screw Pakistan. You've been putting up with the Rohingya situation for almost 8 years now. We sorted things out in less than 1 year.

Breaking up Pakistan was not done because we had a secret ambition to do it. It was done because there just was no other way. In 1965 we did not attack east pak. These guys were so off the line that it became clear there was no other way. The most important geo-strategic objective we achieved was 'peace' - an objective that, more than anyone else, has helped BD. You were able to grow for 50 years because there was no interference from them anymore.

 

[ZAMURD]

Why no one is talking about informal economy of Pakistan????

 

[Black_cats]

You think so? Like how Bangladeshis are fighting wars with Rohingyas to ensure their return? How many years has it been since they came into BD? You're getting 'assistance'. No amount of 'global assistance' matches the enormous resources we spent in mobilizing our tanks, millions of soldiers and aircraft carriers to screw Pakistan. You've been putting up with the Rohingya situation for almost 8 years now. We sorted things out in less than 1 year.

Breaking up Pakistan was not done because we had a secret ambition to do it. It was done because there just was no other way. In 1965 we did not attack east pak. These guys were so off the line that it became clear there was no other way. The most important geo-strategic objective we achieved was 'peace' - an objective that, more than anyone else, has helped BD. You were able to grow for 50 years because there was no interference from them anymore.

Bangladesh never had or has plan as of now to engage Myanmar militarily as it will ruin economical achievements of Bangladesh. It doe snot mean Bangladesh is seating idle. It's pushing the agenda slowly and in some cases effectively. Through Gambia Bangladesh has taken Myanmar to ICJ.

India had to engage in war for the last 13 days only when most of the jobs were already done by freedom fighters. India just provided the final push. Pakistan was already considering withdrawal of its troops by February. Do not over estimate any thing. I do not know much about 1965 wars so can not make comment on that.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Bangladesh never had or has plan as of now to engage Myanmar militarily as it will ruin economical achievements of Bangladesh. It doe snot mean Bangladesh is seating idle. It's pushing the agenda slowly and in some cases effectively. Through Gambia Bangladesh has taken Myanmar to ICJ.

India had to engage in war for the last 13 days only when most of the jobs were already done by freedom fighters. India just provided the final push. Pakistan was already considering withdrawal of its troops by February. Do not over estimate any thing. I do not know much about 1965 wars so can not make comment on that.

Who said the war was only 13 days. That 13 day success was 8 months of mobilization in the making, which included training and arming millions of mukti bahini soldiers.

You think it was 'only' 13 days to mobilize one million troops, thousands of tanks, 100s of aircraft and warships including aircraft carriers for a war effort?

'Most of the work was done by mukti bahini fighters'. If India had not put it's massive military machine behind the effort your mukti fighters would have fought for decades as a low level insurgency?

Do not forget that when India moved against Pakistan, the US sent it's 7th fleet. India decided to go ahead despite such pressure. Within one year not only was the entire war finished but India ensured that Bangladesh was recognized by the UN as an independent country. You think your militia forces could have achieved all this so quickly?

 

[Destranator]

Why no one is talking about informal economy of Pakistan????

I am not a fan of these cheap, attention seeking comparisons between Bangladesh and other third world countries but felt compelled to respond to this.

I do not understand why some Pakistanis act as if counting "undocumented economy" would turn Pakistan into a developed country. Every cash dominated economy like Pakistan has massive undocumented economies. In Bangladesh the vast majority of the population does not have access to bank accounts. Barter trade still happens here. Only 5% pay income tax. Tax-to-GDP ratio is among the lowest in the world.

Third world countries should work hard towards eliminating institutional deficiencies instead of making excuses and drawing idiotic comparisons with fellow third world countries.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

I don't post much on here anymore because the poster quality of this forum has been going downhill. But why is it that every few weeks i return here, i see another thread like this?

I understand that the Bangladeshis are doing better now in terms of economy and all, and they've recently even surpassed India by a bit (which i don't think should be a good standard to set lol) But don't you think it's a bit too early to start rubbing this into others faces? No offence to Bangladeshis, I'm glad you guys are developing faster than Pakistan, But honestly the comparison of our geopolitical scenario is vastly different from yours, Had you guys had to deal with half the things we did and still managed to presevere through it as we did, Then your reactions makes sense.

Now i'm not talking about whether we brought it upon ourselves or not, half of it is our fault + immense internal corruption and the other half of it is the changing political regional instability of our region, but that is why the comparison between the situation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is kinda undoable.

Bangladesh is more fortunate than Pakistan, because it does not have foreign elements repeatedly trying to destablize their country to the extent Pakistan has. Though it is left mostly dependant on a Fascist Hindu Country, you guys still managed to live in relative stability. Whereas Pakistan has have had to deal with a different war for nearly every decade since our creation. We have a literal Destroyed Nation on our West which has created a vacuum of instability in the entire nation, with several foreign agencies operating in it to keep a eye on the neighboring states. To our East sits a Nation that repeatedly wants to disintegrate our nation in a bazillion different ways, or wants to gain a upper hand in controling our resources that they don't have any right to. Then i won't even get to the US-China or Israel factor and how that also has a impact on our internal dynamics. Not to mention the War on Terror that literally ended just a few years ago and we've just started to come out of that.

Frankly put, You cannot compare Bangladesh to Pakistan no matter how much you try. Sure Bangladesh has tensions with India and Myanmar, but the events that occured in your part of the world are not nearly as disasterous as the ones that occured and continue to occur in our part of the world. I'm not butthurt in the slightest that Bangladesh is doing well, Infact i really hope to see it become the lavish region it deserves to become. But the way the Bengalis are trying to Rub this fact into our faces when they are no 1st or even 2nd world country themselves, when they haven't dealt and survived in the same geopolitical scenarios as we have, is just.... cheap, it lessens the impact of your progress. There's no equal footing here, if you want to boast about your progress, do it in a way that doesn't make it look like a joke.

East and West Pakistan should have never been a single country , but unfortunately you guys were forced into a union with us. Our destinies are different , there is no point where they intersect. Frankly, what happens in Bangladesh doesn't have much impact in Pakistan and vice versa. So what's with this mudslinging match here?

I'd love to see Bangladesh deal with the same things as us and come out unscathed x"""D But i won't argue on the fact that you guys have been working hard for the progress you're getting now, Kudos for that. But i think it's still too soon to start celebrating in this way


Good Luck To Bangladesh

'a bit too early to rub it into others faces' is about 40 years of general administration wayyyy better than yours.

 

[Pak_Sher]

50 years of Independence: Once basket case, Bangladesh now marches ahead of Pakistan

The government of Bangladesh most recently managed to establish the last structural span of the Padma Multipurpose Bridge. With this project, Bangladesh has shown the world the degree of self-reliance it can afford, and its capability to launch mega economic projects without full support from abroad.

Synopsis
The IMF has indicated Bangladesh’s economy to be growing up to $322 billion by 2021. This data compiled by the IMF indicates the average Bangladeshi citizen is wealthier compared to that of Pakistan.

By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau
Last Updated: Dec 26, 2020, 02:35 PM IST
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Bangladesh celebrates its 50 years of independence with a stable and progressive government in power and once a basket case has marched ahead of Pakistan in several indicators.

The IMF has indicated Bangladesh’s economy to be growing up to $322 billion by 2021. This data compiled by the IMF indicates the average Bangladeshi citizen is wealthier compared to that of Pakistan.

Since the revival of democracy in Bangladesh during the early 1990s, the developmental pace of Bangladesh surpassed that of Pakistan. Gross savings (% of GDP) of Bangladesh was 39.9 in 2012 and Pakistan was 20.4 in 2012 and 20.8 in 2013 respectively.

According to Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen, Bangladesh is ahead in distinctive social indicators. The increasing level of investments in human capital have made Bangladeshi workers more productive. Bangladesh also outperforms Pakistan in social indicators due to the impressive performance delivered by NGOs.

NGOs operate with minimal interference in Bangladesh, and provide healthcare, schools, banks, dairy collectives, phone service, public health campaigns like ORS and immunization drives.

The wide reach of NGOs and substantial support by the international development aid has accelerated and complemented the government’s efforts to mitigate the gap of income inequality. As the NGOs offer a vast range of social services, they are not only confined to providing microcredit, but other massive social programs.

It can also be anticipated that Bangladesh would transform to be the 26th largest economy from its current position of being the 42nd biggest economy. According to the Human Development Index (HDI) for the year 2017, Bangladesh is around 0.608. Pakistan’s HDI value for 2018 is 0.560, which puts the country in the medium human development category.

Pakistan suffered losses because of income disparity of 25.6 percent. According to World Bank statistics, Bangladesh is one of the countries with lower degree of income inequality

Since the 1971 Liberation War, Bangladesh has made substantial economic growth-oriented progress and has managed to perform well in the spectrums of social indicators in the spectrum of poverty, public healthcare and literacy. Until the early 1990s, it used to have an agriculture centric economy, which was highly dependent on the primary sector. In the past few decades, with the practice of democratic governance and increased accountability in the bureaucracy, it has made tremendous progress in sectors ranging from macroeconomic to social development, and all the tangible improvements have been reflected in the development indexes compiled and prepared by the World Bank.

It certainly cannot be denied that Bangladesh has succeeded to mark and establish itself as one of the significant track recorders of socio-economic development and sustainable growth. It has also crafted efficient public policies to empower women and reduce chronic diseases, and has fared better in this regard than Pakistan. Bangladesh has come a long way since 1971 when the U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger disparagingly referred to it as a “bottomless basket”.

Bangladesh’s dependency on foreign aid has reduced remarkably from 88% in 1972 to just over 2 percent in 2010, and its current Purchasing Power Parity adjusted per- capita GDP is more than $4000. Since Pakistan’s formation in 1947, it has heavily relied on foreign aid, particularly from the US.

The government of Bangladesh most recently managed to establish the last structural span of the Padma Multipurpose Bridge. With this project, Bangladesh has shown the world the degree of self-reliance it can afford, and its capability to launch mega economic projects without full support from abroad.

This bridge will connect Dhaka, the capital, with 21 southern districts through road and railways– paving a new chapter in the county’s economic development

50 years of Independence: Once basket case, Bangladesh now marches ahead of Pakistan - The Economic Times

The IMF has indicated Bangladeshs economy to be growing up to $322 billion by 2021. This data compiled by the IMF indicates the average Bangladeshi citizen is wealthier compared to that of Pakistan.

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Indian perspective from a journalist stationed in Jammu & Kashmir.

 

[Destranator]

I don't post much on here anymore because the poster quality of this forum has been going downhill. But why is it that every few weeks i return here, i see another thread like this?

I understand that the Bangladeshis are doing better now in terms of economy and all, and they've recently even surpassed India by a bit (which i don't think should be a good standard to set lol) But don't you think it's a bit too early to start rubbing this into others faces? No offence to Bangladeshis, I'm glad you guys are developing faster than Pakistan, But honestly the comparison of our geopolitical scenario is vastly different from yours, Had you guys had to deal with half the things we did and still managed to presevere through it as we did, Then your reactions makes sense.

Now i'm not talking about whether we brought it upon ourselves or not, half of it is our fault + immense internal corruption and the other half of it is the changing political regional instability of our region, but that is why the comparison between the situation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is kinda undoable.

Bangladesh is more fortunate than Pakistan, because it does not have foreign elements repeatedly trying to destablize their country to the extent Pakistan has. Though it is left mostly dependant on a Fascist Hindu Country, you guys still managed to live in relative stability. Whereas Pakistan has have had to deal with a different war for nearly every decade since our creation. We have a literal Destroyed Nation on our West which has created a vacuum of instability in the entire nation, with several foreign agencies operating in it to keep a eye on the neighboring states. To our East sits a Nation that repeatedly wants to disintegrate our nation in a bazillion different ways, or wants to gain a upper hand in controling our resources that they don't have any right to. Then i won't even get to the US-China or Israel factor and how that also has a impact on our internal dynamics. Not to mention the War on Terror that literally ended just a few years ago and we've just started to come out of that.

Frankly put, You cannot compare Bangladesh to Pakistan no matter how much you try. Sure Bangladesh has tensions with India and Myanmar, but the events that occured in your part of the world are not nearly as disasterous as the ones that occured and continue to occur in our part of the world. I'm not butthurt in the slightest that Bangladesh is doing well, Infact i really hope to see it become the lavish region it deserves to become. But the way the Bengalis are trying to Rub this fact into our faces when they are no 1st or even 2nd world country themselves, when they haven't dealt and survived in the same geopolitical scenarios as we have, is just.... cheap, it lessens the impact of your progress. There's no equal footing here, if you want to boast about your progress, do it in a way that doesn't make it look like a joke.

East and West Pakistan should have never been a single country , but unfortunately you guys were forced into a union with us. Our destinies are different , there is no point where they intersect. Frankly, what happens in Bangladesh doesn't have much impact in Pakistan and vice versa. So what's with this mudslinging match here?

I'd love to see Bangladesh deal with the same things as us and come out unscathed x"""D But i won't argue on the fact that you guys have been working hard for the progress you're getting now, Kudos for that. But i think it's still too soon to start celebrating in this way


Good Luck To Bangladesh

It's a handful of Bangladeshis here who get a kick out of such cheap comparisons. It is not productive.
Ideally there should be strict penalties for opening pointless and repetitive threads on the same topic but I do recognise that enforcing this would increase the workload of moderators massively.

Third world countries should be comparing to countries that have "made it", such as South Korea and Singapore, and not amongst themselves.