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5 reasons why Afghanistan blames Pakistan.

lol and what about Army of RAW Specialists to Provide Intelligence to TTP and Train them in Training Centers Constructed in Afghanistan ??
You are being Brotherly and Friendly for a Reason with Afghanistan !
And Your ill negative intentions will Backfire at you !
Mark My Words !

Marked your FS's words

RAW behind terrorist activities in Pakistan: Foreign secretary - The Express Tribune

Then your COAS' word


RAW instigating terrorism, says army - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Then even we lapped up this





Washington trip: Islamabad to share RAW terror link proof with US - The Express Tribune

Then you know what happened ???

Pakistan shared no evidence, says US - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Shit man , marking your hollow words is just useless.
 

Man The Dirty Game you guys are playing !
You will Pay for this !
Time will tell whose Words are hollow !
 
I am personally looking forward to a day when Modi lands his troops in Afghanistan.
No! You don't want to see that! Because if that happens, your PA will be literally caught between the devil and the deep blue sea! And that would be curtains - for the PA! :whistle:
 
No! You don't want to see that! Because if that happens, your PA will be literally caught between the devil and the deep blue sea! And that would be curtains - for the PA! :whistle:

Do you really belive that will happen ever ??

Indian economy simply can't afford that. There is very slim chance for that iff Afghanistan had sea linkage. Being land locked, it is on mercy of either of it's two main neighbours Iran or Pakistan.Though things can move in that direction if Iran is willing and shows enough commitment, which I think it's already showing . But one thing is sure , since there are so many faultlines in Afghanistan that India can afford to keep things on boil with budgetary allocation of paltry few millions of $ .
 
5 reasons why Afghanistan blames Pakistan.

13-8-2015
by - Horus

5: There are elements within the Afghan security services like NDS who are more loyal to RAW than to the Afghan state. NDS is packed with Tajik and Uzbeks who are now living without the fat doll outs given to them by American taxpayers, that is where Indians come in to cop the bill. United States has refused to fund NDS after figuring out that it was nothing more than a nexus built to torture uncooperative Pukhtoon detainees who can be called Taliban without any evidence and tortured to an inch of their lives. India therefore has leverage on NDS which they utilize to blame Pakistan for the failures of Afghan state and to keep the pressure on Pakistan from two sides. People like Amarullah Saleh reflect that mindset.

4: Afghanistan's national unity govt in Kabul is built on a fragile ground. The cabinet and the houses of parliament are in the firm control of former northern alliance therefore it is challenging for a leader like Ashraf Ghani to balance the scales without being ousted by his own parliament. Blaming Pakistan keeps the 'house in order'.

3: Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) which were raised by the Americans, were basically a re branded force packed with anti Pukhtoon Northern Alliance forces who fought for the foreign invasion forces in 2001 and were retrained and equipped by NATO and later ISAF. Now they are losing battle to the Afghan Taliban insurgents in a number of areas. According the the US military command, the ANSF is now losing up to 4000 soldiers a month due to demoralization, drug addiction and going AWOL (Absent With Out Leave). Pointing fingers at Pakistan saves Kabul the trouble to actually scrutinize its own security services.

2: Blaming Pakistan for Afghanistan's troubles makes Afghanistan look like a united country and makes Afghan National Unity Govt much more stronger and united than it really is. This is only ONE issue where even Ghani, Abdullah and Karzai agree. So in other words one anti Pakistan statement is all that is needed to make the ANUG look united and give a false sense of political normality. It also helps curb dissent and pacify those ranks in the military who would forcefully remove a Pukhtoon president who takes a much more reasonable line towards relations with Pakistan.

1: Blaming Pakistan keeps Afghan public sentiment in order. Like it or not, the Afghans have hated Pakistan much more than India has ever hated Pakistan since 1947. Afghans refused to accept Pakistan as a sovereign state, voted against its UN membership in 1948, joined up with KGB to create a violent insurgency in Balochistan in 1970s, fired Scud missiles into Pakistan and tried to create another insurgency in Khyber Pukhtoonkhuwa.

Even today all of the top terrorists Pakistan wants from Mullah Fazlullah who ordered to assassinate Pakistan's nobel peace laureate Mallala Yousafzai and orchestrated the APS massacre of 139 Pakistani children in a Peshawar school to Dr. Allah Nazar, the chief of BLF which carried out the Turbat massacre of 25 Pakistani laborers among other top terrorists are all hiding in Afghanistan with full assistance of NDS and RAW. Balach Marri the head of BLA who ran to Afghanistan after assassinating Akbar Bugti was also killed in Gramshar area in Helmand Afghanistan.

The top financier of TTP Latif-ullah-Mehsood (now in ISI custody) who was snatched by US SEALs from NDS protection in Afghanistan and TTP's spokesperson Shahid ullah Shahid was also killed in a US drone strike in Afghanistan. Therefore it is much easier and quicker to issue anti Pakistani tirade on the media to let Afghans come on the streets, burn some Pakistani flags, chant death to Pakistan, blame all of their troubles on Pakistan and discuss plans on how to expand Afghan territory to the Indus river, than to actually admit the fact that the Afghan state due to its internal fragility and incompetence has failed to protect its own citizens and is instead busy blaming a foreign country which always comes to its aid in order to create a false sense of political unity and control over state affairs. This is an unfortunate juncture where two Muslim states bite up and become a laughing stock to Hindustan.

WOW !!! Nice article; Kahan se chepa hai @Horus

1. The deal that the ISI and the Afghan's intelligence agency- National Directorate of Security (NDS) signed had several clauses in it which made India extremely uncomfortable. One of the clauses was that for any terror strike in Afghanistan the intelligence agencies would not blame each other. This automatically meant that for any terror strike both agencies would get together and blame India. This virtually gave Pakistan the license to carry out as many strikes as possible in Afghanistan and get away with it. If one looks at the pattern in which the NDS has worked, it has always preferred India to Pakistan. The NDS basically follows the general opinion of the people of Afghanistan (not the Taliban) who have always blamed Pakistan for their misery. The NDS too realizes that the entire game by Paksitan would be aimed at destablising Afghanistan by propping the Taliban up every now and then. On the other hand, Afghanistan does realize that along with India it has a common enemy in the Taliban and both would need to work to thwart that threat for long term peace.

2. The trust factor between Afghanistan and Pakistan has been nothing that the two nations can boast about. There has been a trust deficit between the Afghanistan and Pakistan leadership for several years now. The Afghan leadership always felt that Pakistan was aiding the Taliban and as long as this outfit existed there could no sanity in the nation. A recent meeting of the tribal elders and the Chief of the NDS lasted over four and half hours and it was discussed as to how the Taliban was influencing every decision in the tribal belts. It was decided that they would do everything they could to wade away the threat of the Taliban and ensure that peace returned. It was during this meeting that an 80 year old man stood up and told the NDS chief that the problem began with Pakistan. He further went on to add that all the internal problems in Afghanistan were being stage managed by the ISI. However the new regime under President Ashraf Ghani took a completely different stand on the issue. Instead he felt that peace and stability could return only if he engaged with Pakistan. There was a need for military cooperation between the two countries, he also said during a visit to Pakistan in November 2014.

3. The economy is an important issue behind the problems between the two countries since millions of Afghan people have had to flee their country over the last four decades and settled along the borders of Pakistan. However, simply improving economic relations will not achieve positive results if there is no stability in Afghanistan and a lack of security in both countries generally. In order to turn the tide, Pakistan first needs to eliminate the multi-head system. Though of course Pakistan doesn't have good leaders in action, it is very well known that the Pakistani army could interfere in government business so that the dissimilarity in methods between civilian leadership and the Pakistani army becomes significant.

4. Pakistan sees India’s growing influence, particularly its consular presence in Afghanistan, as a threat. Shortly after the fall of the Taliban, India reestablished several consulates.While India has legitimate consular interests in Afghanistan—Hindu and Sikh populations, commercial relations, and aid programs—there is some speculation by Pakistan that India has also been using these consulates as a cover for its intelligence agencies to carry out covert operations. Islamabad believes that India is colluding with Afghan officials to stoke Baloch separatism in Pakistan. For decades India and Pakistan have contended for favourable positions within Afghanistan. Throughout this struggle, Pakistan has seen Afghanistan as a vital source of “strategic depth.”. Pakistan’s military establishment has long viewed its engagement in Afghanistan largely from the context of its struggle against India. Thus India’s growing presence in Afghanistan contributes to Pakistan’s fears of encirclement. India’s establishment of its first overseas air base in nearby Farkhor, Tajikistan has further aggravated such fears. Pakistan’s behind-the-scenes support for the Taliban is believed to be rooted, in large part, in its concern that India is attempting to encircle it by gaining influence in Afghanistan. The Taliban is thought to offer Pakistan its best chance at neutralizing India’s regional power expansion. In case of propaganda front Pakistan is trying to portray India's RAW involvement with the TTP and even involvement in attacks in Afganistan. The author of this article which you have COPY/PASTE is the victim of such Propaganda and propagated in the same way in which your have given a small contribution.

5. Tehreek-e-Taliban is an umbrella organisation of various militant groups founded in 2007 by jihadi commander Baitullah Mehsud. In the initial days of its formation, it was a group of around 30 militants.
Like its ally Al Qaeda, it emerged as a predominantly Pashtun Islamic fundamentalist movement, particularly active in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan. The organisation promised to restore peace by establishing an Islamic state.The organisation is not a part of the Afghan Taliban but has sworn allegiance to Mullah Mohammad Omar, the Afghan Taliban leader. Both the groups cooperate with each other and carry out joint attacks. The Afghan Taliban is believed to have trained several suicide bombers in Pakistan. In Pakistan, the militants got support and security. It grew enormously and strengthened itself with the support of Al Qaeda members. The feeble efforts made by the Pakistani Army, under US pressure, failed to dismantle it. Despite Pakistan's outright rejection of allegations of providing shelter to the militants, it is widely believed that many of them were educated in madrassas there.As it grew in terms of size and resources, the outfit audaciously announced its goal to topple the government. The Mehsud-led Taliban launched several attacks on security forces and the government. In September 2010, the United States declared the gruop a terrorist organisation.

For years, Pakistan sold to the world that the TTP and Afghan Taliban were daggers drawn and fighting with each other.
The fact was that they were practically hand in glove, helping each other…
An editorial in Pakistan’s Express Tribune on 4th April 2012 had read, “Just as the Soviet Union was defeated by a combination of Afghan Mujahedeen and Pakistani warriors, this time too Pakistan could infiltrate its non-state actors to achieve the ‘strategic depth’ it requires to feel safe about its northwestern neighbor. What is scarier for the world is the perception that Pakistan doesn’t control its non-state actors hundred per cent, as demonstrated by the Punjabi Taliban fighting the Pakistan Army in parts of FATA.” Well that infiltration was facilitated by Ashraf Ghani throwing his lot with Pakistan, egged on by the US that Pakistan could persuade the Taliban to join the Afghan government.

John F Kennedy had once said, “No matter how big the lie; repeat it often enough and the masses will regard it as truth.” But over the years such tactics have been refined further. The more effective modus operandi being used is to flood scores of versions of the same event to confuse the recipients before applying the repeat lie. This is generally found to psyche the masses more easily. That it is being applied regularly in modern day conflict situations especially in respect terrorist organizations and proxy forces requires little emphasis. So, we had Osama-bin-Laden ensconced comfortably in Abbotabad as guest of the Pakistani military, given up to the US at an opportune time feigning surprise. After all the strategic payoffs were all that mattered – continued military and financial support and most importantly Afghanistan subcontracted to Pakistan and her proxies, much to the chagrin of India. And, all this despite the fact most of the 5000 odd US-NATO killed in Afghanistan were by Pakistani proxies; Taliban, Al Qaeda, Haqqanis, you name it.

For years, Pakistan sold to the world that the TTP and Afghan Taliban were daggers drawn and fighting with each other. The fact was that they were practically hand in glove, helping each other money, arms, cadres and even provision of safe havens whenever pressure mounted on either. Daniel S Markey, Senior Fellow for India, Pakistan & South Asia, Council on Foreign Relations wrote last year, “If we say that the Pakistani government supports Taliban, and we say Pakistani government is target of Taliban, we are telling the truth in both instances….. you could even say that Afghan Taliban is playing a double game on the Pakistani state…. they more or less get safe haven inside the tribal areas along the Afghan border …… on the other hand, Afghan Taliban help Pakistani Taliban; provide inspiration, provide training, access to financing, and sometimes even fighters.”

With the intelligence network within Taliban, would the death of Mullah Omar have remained unknown even as Omar would have been enjoying the hospitality of the ISI similar to Osama-bin-Laden?
Then take the case of Haqqanis. Yes, an odd Haqqani cadre or even leader got killed but Haqqanis were in the ISI league of terror, sheltered within Pakistan and used for strikes in Afghanistan, including targeting India assets in that country. Quoting Afghan intelligence sources, Michael Hughes had written in 2010, “If Pakistan truly wanted to capture the Haqqani Network they would be able to drag them out of their caves by their beards within a few days…..In a movement that should have floored US policymakers, Kayani was brazen enough to try and inveigle Afghanistan to strike a power-sharing arrangement with the Haqqanis. And Kayani, apparently the spokesperson for the Haqqani group, said they’d be willing to split from and denounce Al Qaeda, which is President Obama’s primary rationale for the war”.
One year later in 2011, Pir Zubair Shah and Carlotta Gall wrote in New York Times, “The Haqqani family, which runs the network like a mafia, maintains several town houses, including in Islamabad and elsewhere, and they have been known to visit military facilities in Rawalpindi, attend tribal gatherings and even travel abroad on pilgrimages. Experts say leaders of the Haqqani network may be hiding in plain sight in cities rather than in remote tribal areas.”
Now take this business of Pakistan persuading the Taliban to talk and join the Afghan government. To start with the Americans tried there level best, even by deliberately leaking out the Afghan Peace Process Roadmap to 2015 drafted by the US in conjunction the Afghan High Peace Council (AHPC) in November 2012 that besides other things promised the Taliban non-elected positions at various levels in government which virtually gives the Taliban complete control of Pashtun dominated areas along Afghanistan-Pakistan border after 2014 elections. This appeared to back a two-state solution (Robert Blackwell’s proposal of defacto division of Afghanistan) or a variant of it splitting the country into two blocs, a non-Pashtun north and west and the Pashtun south and east, under a weak central government in Kabul, leaving Pakistan with an extended FATA. But this had not worked to persuade the Taliban with their stated position they would not talk to Karzai government, sought changes to Afghan Constitution and insisted withdrawal of all foreign troops from Afghanistan. The conditions of throwing all foreign troops out, rule by Sharia and not laying down arms continue as Taliban demands to-date.
Successor to Mullah Omar, Mullah Akhtar Mansoor (though not chosen with overall consensus) released a audio message “We will continue our jihad until the creation of an Islamic system.
The best part is that US scholars admit they don’t expect Pakistan to bring Taliban to join the Afghan government. No doubt one round of talks between the Afghan Government and Taliban, brokered by Pakistan took place in July at Muree, with the Taliban delegation led by by Mullah Abbas Akhund, erstwhile Taliban Health Minister and interior affairs committee chief, Mullah Jalil. But it is not difficult to decipher that Pakistan engineered this round of talks to establish a semblance of credibility with Ashraf Ghani. That this may have even involved payments to the Taliban and with knowledge of the CIA is well on the cards.
Taliban may have acquiesced to the arrangement because it was to be dumped immediately thereafter by announcing the death of Mullah Omar, together with perception management that this has caused deep fissures among the Taliban. Successor to Mullah Omar, Mullah Akhtar Mansoor (though not chosen with overall consensus) released a audio message “We will continue our jihad until the creation of an Islamic system. The enemy with their talk of peace is trying by this propaganda to weaken the jihad” on the Taliban website. So now you cannot blame Pakistan for further talks going kaput, can you? Significantly, the ascendency of Mullah Mansoor has been backed by Jalaluddin Haqqani who is an ISI protégé.
With the intelligence network within Taliban, would the death of Mullah Omar have remained unknown even as Omar would have been enjoying the hospitality of the ISI similar to Osama-bin-Laden? That Pakistani military did not know when Mullah Omar died can hardly be believed with reports of him having breathed his last in a hospital in Karachi. It is also relevant that as per American officials Mullah Omar was more of a spiritual commander with little to no operational control over the Taliban for past few years. So is actually there much commotion over his death or is this what the public is supposed to believe?
The Afghan government also now has to contend with the ISIS that is embedding slowly but definitively in the Af-Pak region.
The Afghan government also now has to contend with the ISIS that is embedding slowly but definitively in the Af-Pak region. The recent announcement by the IMU that they are now “part of ISIS” has complicated the situation further with increased IMU attacks in Afghanistan. This is even more significant with recent admission by Michael Flynn, former head of US Defense Intelligence Agency that rise of ISIS was a “Willful Decision” of the US. So what are the implications of the ISIS for Central Asia and South Asia?
The TTP had earlier declared their allegiance to the ISIS but factions of Afghan Taliban too are reaching out to the ISIS now. Interestingly, an ISIS delegation visited Baluchistan last September, meeting up with Jundullah who have been executing cross-border raids into Iran. Earlier this year a high level meeting was held in Saudi Arabia of senior level ISIS officials with ISIS heads of Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan. So, take a look at the radical scene in Af-Pak. Chinese were training the Taliban on Chinese soil even before the US invasion of Afghanistan. If China has been nurturing the Taliban to safeguard her economic and geostrategic interests in Af-Pak, Pakistan’s TTP has been helping the West by assisting Al Nusra to dislodge Syrian President Basar-al-Assad, while Iran has been training Taliban to help Assad remain in place. As mentioned earlier, there are strong links between both the Taliban.
When Obama declared the US-NATO drawdown from Afghanistan in 2009, the Afghanis were protesting that the US is subcontracting Afghanistan to Pakistan. This perhaps left Ashraf Ghani no choice but to throw his lot with Pakistan. Even if Ghani had not taken this course, Pakistan had already launched the Zarb-e-Azb with the main aim of pushing the TTP and part of the 20 Mujahid battalions trained during 2013-2014 to operate in guise of Taliban into Afghanistan. Little wonder that the Afghan Ministry of Defence says that of every 10 terrorists fighting in Afghanistan four are foreigners from Pakistan, China, Central Asia, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Middle East. But the fact remains that by November 2014, Pakistan had already pushed some 2,50,000 ‘refugees’ into Afghanistan ostensibly mixed with task forces to attain her strategic depth. Ayman-al-Zawahiri had declared his support to Afghan Taliban last year
No one knew Pakistan and ISI’s terror nexus better than former Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Karzai had lived in Pakistan as Afghan refugee in early 1980’s and operated with anti-Soviet Mujahedeen. In his 13 year’s Presidency, Hamid Karzai made 20 trips to Pakistan hoping to find a solution. As President, he even once said that if US attacked Pakistan, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan. Yet, it was Pakistan that sabotaged any possibility of talks between the Karzai government and Taliban by imprisoning Mullah Ghani Beradar, former deputy of Mullah Omar and shooting and critically injuring Taliban Finance Minister Mullah Mutasim Agha Jan in an assassination attempt. Karzai’s final words were “No peace will arrive unless the US or Pakistan want it.”

Karzai’s final words were “No peace will arrive unless the US or Pakistan want it.”
Unfortunately, the US has looked the other way because it has made use of ISI sponsored proxies. The bottom-line is that the Pakistani military is confident it will always retain the strategic potential to assist the West in containment or shall we say restraining of Russia and China through her proxies, in tandem with her global terrorist links including the ISIS which is a CIA generated proxy. Both Pakistan and the West know it and West will always forgive Pakistan all her trespasses as they did in the case of Osama bin Laden. That is why you find rapid radical realignments in the Af-Pak region and even Central Asian Republics where the declaration of the IMU that it now is part of the ISIS has signaled the entry of the latter into Central Asia.

Robert H Kaplan in his book ‘The Revenge of Geography’ wrote, “An Afghanistan that falls to Taliban sway threatens to create a succession of radicalized Islamic societies from the Indian-Pakistani border to Central Asia. This would, in effect, a greater Pakistan, giving Pakistan’s ISI the ability to create a clandestine empire composed of the likes of Jallaluddin Haqqani, Gulbuddin Hekmetyar, and the Lashkar-e-Taiba : able to confront India in the manner that Hezbollah and Hamas confront Israel”.
The value of Pakistan to Afghanistan in terms of peace already stands negated with significant increase in terror attacks and mounting evidence that Pakistan has no intention of giving up pursuit of violence. That Pakistan is in the process of achieving this strategic depth is becoming a reality. At the same time she has to walk the razor’s edge between the US and China. Pakistani military thinks it has derived strategic value by making her proxies available to both US and China notwithstanding the fact that the institutionalized radicalization is taking the country down the vortex of terror. The prospects of Afghanistan-Pakistan and India-Pakistan peace were never more remote.

Two question however remains – what about the future of Pakistan?





 
Dude what do you expect from bunch of uneducated people with no source of income other than getting people high.
 
Hey khudaya!!! A muslim hating muslim..What happens to Muslim brotherhood? Its all propoganda by RAW which is trying hard to break the pious brotherly relationship between two muslim countries...shame on RAW!
 
It's just instigating by India and others plain and simple. Dare I say it, it is similar to '71 where the gullible Bengalis were fed with crap.
Just a general question, are you really a Bengali?

Paksitan's only worry is TTP and AFG main cause of worry is talibans and both blaming each other for hoarbouring and providing support to these terrorists organizations. Both need to sort it out themselves

India only aim is to see peace in AFG and that no taliban like govt is in place there again
as If id like to see an Afghan die,we wish the same. loss of life should never really be a reason of joy for anyone.
but the problem is I see many roaming around here in Islamabad openly claiming that this is their land and that they don't recognize Pakistan, that's the real issue,its their attitude against Pakistan and their people.

since I personally laud your posts and replies id like to ask, how would you tackle this scenarios when someone is hell bound on getting your land and abusing your country on your face?

P.S this is coming from a guy who used to help organize charities for the Afghans studying in Pakistan,
 
It could also have something to do with the fact that we treat their country as our own playground, manipulate their political situation, and create havoc by supporting the Taliban. Just a thought. I might be wrong.
Wow two posts and already banned, just ondering why.

No! You don't want to see that! Because if that happens, your PA will be literally caught between the devil and the deep blue sea! And that would be curtains - for the PA! :whistle:
Stop day dreaming please, the day indian army landed in afghanistan it will be a curtain and complete blackout for your troops just like what happened with us in 71 hundreds of miles away. Please advise mass merderer modi to do so.
 
RAW is already running a hospital in Nuristan to treat the wounded TTP terrorists to send them back in. Its marked as an enemy target, when ever we get a reason to carry out air strikes in Afghanistan, that place is going to look like a pile of shit with HE smell every where.

India will indeed send her Army in Afghanistan but it will be an army of engineers, doctors and para medics.

India's only aim is to keep Pakistan destabilized from Afghanistan.

Paksitan's only worry is TTP and AFG main cause of worry is talibans and both blaming each other for hoarbouring and providing support to these terrorists organizations. Both need to sort it out themselves

India only aim is to see peace in AFG and that no taliban like govt is in place there again

Trust you me, we have been waiting for Indian soldiers to land in Afghanistan for a long time.

No! You don't want to see that! Because if that happens, your PA will be literally caught between the devil and the deep blue sea! And that would be curtains - for the PA! :whistle:
 
all they have to do is accept the internationally recognized border ("they" being the trouble maker elements)

stop backstabbing Pakistan, the only country on earth that has ever genuinely helped them

topple the indian terrorist training centers to the ground (we can help if needed)

for those Afghans in Pakistan, they should either repatriate them back or teach them on how to legally become Pakistanis or get Pakistani residency....too many illegal residents is a security risk


by the way I hail from the FATA Region so i know what are the ramifications here
 
India can't run nor hide. Its stuck with us permanently and it will be made to pay. We have all the time in the world.

lol and what about Army of RAW Specialists to Provide Intelligence to TTP and Train them in Training Centers Constructed in Afghanistan ??
You are being Brotherly and Friendly for a Reason with Afghanistan !
And Your ill negative intentions will Backfire at you !
Mark My Words !
 
It could also have something to do with the fact that we treat their country as our own playground, manipulate their political situation, and create havoc by supporting the Taliban. Just a thought. I might be wrong.

as long as they give haven to our enemies and as long as they have millions of refugees (some legal but most illegal) in our cities and as long as what happens in Afghanistan directly affects Pakistan - we will the needful to secure our interests
 

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