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Gujarat has passed an unusual law on cow slaughter. The state amended the Animal Preservation Bill and changed the punishment for those convicted of killing bulls and cows.

It will now be a life sentence and a minimum of 10 years, meaning that Gujarat has decided that the act of murdering a citizen and killing an animal are equal crimes. The chief minister of the state has said that he wants to turn Gujarat into a "vegetarian state". He added, somewhat unusually, that "he was not against any food". The outsider might ask: if there is no objection to food, then does that mean the chief minister's party, the BJP, have no problem with beef?

The answer is, of course it does. Beef is the reason the law has been passed, but not the legal reason. The legal standing comes from the directive principle in the Constitution which says cows and bulls should be preserved for economic reasons. This logic is from a time when bulls were used for ploughing, which is a time behind us. No other nation has this sort of economic logic, it is only India. And that is because of the Hindu unease with beef.

India pretends it has a Constitution that is not linked to any particular religion. Indians, like myself, have always taken great pride that we are very different from Pakistanis who built a state around religion. The reality is that India's laws are inflected by high-caste Hindu customs. Another example is prohibition. The Constitution also disapproves of alcohol. The sociologist MN Srinivas said that prohibition was a Sanskritic act. This is true.

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Like beef, alcohol is also banned or restricted using other pretenses. Indian states have often experimented with prohibition and most often failed. Bihar wrote a law that collectively criminalised the possession of alcohol. Meaning that if I was found with a bottle in my house, my wife and relatives and whoever shared the house with me would also be charged. This law was so ridiculous that it was hard to believe that the state would consider it. The courts finally stepped in to block it, but another variant of the law was approved. Those who think of Nitish Kumar as being a great alternative to Hindutva politics should consider this.

Courts do not always weigh in on the side of the freedom of the individual. These days India is implementing a court order that establishments serving and selling alcohol within 500 metres of a highway should be shut down. In some states in the Northeast, which are mountainous and have few roads, this would mean shutting down most of such establishments. The court has made exemptions for these states, though I have not been able to fully understand the logic of that. If the issue is safety, then it cannot be compromised with.

To me the issue is that of individual freedom. The state should assume that its citizens will drink responsibly and it should have the capacity and intent to prosecute those who drink irresponsibly and put others and themselves in danger. Instead, in imposing this ban, the state is assuming citizens are generally irresponsible. The state is encroaching on individual rights and imposing a form of prohibition.

Through these various actions, religion is creeping into the framework of our republic. Other countries also do this sort of thing of course. Pakistanis love kite flying during the festival of Basant. However this is seen by some as an unIslamic practice and so often runs into trouble with the law. Courts feel that kite flying endangers birds and the safety of citizens and therefore should be banned. I think this comes from a very similar instinct as we are seeing in India.

The difference is that Pakistan does not claim its Constitution and laws are secular. They are Islamic, though there is some discomfort among many Pakistanis with this fact because religion alone does not offer us a framework for modern government. In India it is the opposite. There is a discomfort among many of us at the fact that the republic is not more Hindu than it could or should be. This discomfort is producing laws such as the one we now have in Gujarat.

We should acknowledge that this is a narrow reading of Hinduism which is being pushed by the BJP on Indian citizens. Those Indians who work with leather and meat, like Dalits and Muslims, will face the wrath of this new law. But we can always assure them that we are officially a secular nation whose laws are not specifically aimed at victimising them.



Published Date: Apr 02, 2017 01:49 pm | Updated Date: Apr 02, 2017 01:49 pm
 
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why would they respect it when you don't respect theirs. Its my advise to you as a fellow Pakistani, be polite and reasonable. I hope u understand
Well no. I have been to their online forums and other internet presence and the amounts of insults they write about our religion is epic.
We don't even write 10% of what they write. So my come is totally justified. They will insult our religion no matter what we do. So it's better to give them a taste of their own medicine.
Plus what I wrote is not insult anyway.Hindu gods Ganeash is elephant, Hanumaan is a Monkey , their lord Shiva's stone peniss is worshipped and there are Hindu temples for Rat and Mosquito worship
 
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accelerated LTTE under
This is called ad hominem. Where you want to stamp someone as some repulsive ideological one so as to impose the Sanghi terror. I know in RSS IT classes they teaches to attack in group based on religion. After all, RSS is all about how to destroy India on religious ground.

By bringing LTTE+Christian angle, this Swayamsevak hopes to get some solace. LTTE is supported by your people, Tamilians. Not us. Being Hindu terrorists, these fellows wants to paint the picture of a missionary or Islamic terrorist in me in a public forum assuming that you can cut my voice. Sorry Sanghi turds, it is not going to work. Truth is on our side, your Hindutva terror is surely taking the nation into primitiveness and anarchy. As a loyal citizen of India, it is our right to defend country from going to the hands of Gobar Sanghis and Gomoottar drinkers.


BTW, you are still a Tamil. LTTE is your cause IINM. I am a proud Malayalee, hate to associate with Tamils, Sinhalese or Telgos or for their causes. We are rather what we are. Distinct and clear.
 
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This is called ad hominem. Where you want to stamp someone as some repulsive ideological one so as to impose the Sanghi terror. I know in RSS IT classes they teaches to attack in group based on religion. After all, RSS is all about how to destroy India on religious ground.

By bringing LTTE+Christian angle, the Swayamsevak hopes to get some solace. LTTE is supported by your people, Tamilians. Not us. You, being a Hindu terrorist wants to paint the picture of a missionary or Islamic terrorist in me in a public forum assuming that you can cut my voice. Sorry Sanghi turd, it is not going to work. Truth is on our side, your Hindutva terror is surely taking the nation into primitiveness and anarchy. As a loyal citizen of India, it is our right to defend country from going to the hands of Gobar Sanghis and Gomoottar drinkers like you.


BTW, you are still a Tamil. LTTE is your cause IINM. I am a proud Malayalee, hate to associate with Tamils, Sinhalese or Telgos for their causes. We are rather what we are.
I'm not sure if what you've quoted is ad hominem, but what you are saying here is certainly an ad hominem attack. You put him in "RSS Sanghi" category, which category do you classify yourself as?
 
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You put him in "RSS Sanghi" category
In fact, that's not him alone, most of the pdf members who incidentally are from India now are employees of RSS IT cell OR genocidal fascists who came here to spew venom against Muslims and Christians. Yes, my stand is firm and is on truth. Also, this fellow seems to be in utter shock that there are sane Indians who are not supporters of Cow rule. Anyways, whom should I care to prove? to another Sanghi?

BTW, I never name call any members here. It's fellows like these who wants to quote my posts name calling as a J1hadi or Missionary and what not. Thankfully I live in Kerala, not in Cow mother states.
 
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Sorry Sanghi turds, it is not going to work. Truth is on our side, your Hindutva terror is surely taking the nation into primitiveness and anarchy. As a loyal citizen of India, it is our right to defend country from going to the hands of Gobar Sanghis and Gomoottar drinkers.


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In an increasingly radicalized country I have found southerners to be more tolerant. My prayers and best wishes are with you.
 
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This is called ad hominem. Where you want to stamp someone as some repulsive ideological one so as to impose the Sanghi terror. I know in RSS IT classes they teaches to attack in group based on religion. After all, RSS is all about how to destroy India on religious ground.

By bringing LTTE+Christian angle, this Swayamsevak hopes to get some solace. LTTE is supported by your people, Tamilians. Not us. Being Hindu terrorists, these fellows wants to paint the picture of a missionary or Islamic terrorist in me in a public forum assuming that you can cut my voice. Sorry Sanghi turds, it is not going to work. Truth is on our side, your Hindutva terror is surely taking the nation into primitiveness and anarchy. As a loyal citizen of India, it is our right to defend country from going to the hands of Gobar Sanghis and Gomoottar drinkers.


BTW, you are still a Tamil. LTTE is your cause IINM. I am a proud Malayalee, hate to associate with Tamils, Sinhalese or Telgos or for their causes. We are rather what we are. Distinct and clear.

Actually the Church had a major role to play with the LTTE and Tamil separatism on whole that includes whats going on in TN atm, I myself is born in to a protestant Christian family but facts cannot be denied because of our religious affiliation

The Civil conflict in Lanka was never a Buddhist vs Hindu thing, Neither did the LTTE identify itself as a Hindu outfit, infact almost it's whole leadership were Christians

Only the politicians and tiger affiliates in TN wanted to portray it as one to gain sympathy from majority Hindus in India

But i do get your point of view, It seems anyone that seems to be opposed to the Hindu hyper nationalism that going on in India atm moment is likely to branded anti national, especially if one is from a religous minority.. It's a worrisome development
 
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In fact, that's not him alone, most of the pdf members who incidentally are from India now are employees of RSS IT cell OR genocidal fascists who came here to spew venom against Muslims and Christians. Yes, my stand is firm and is on truth. Also, this fellow seems to be in utter shock that there are sane Indians who are not supporters of Cow rule. Anyways, whom should I care to prove? to another Sanghi?

BTW, I never name call any members here. It's fellows like these who wants to quote my posts name calling as a J1hadi or Missionary and what not. Thankfully I live in Kerala, not in Cow mother states.
Man, do you hear yourself? RSS IT cell/ genocidal fascists? Get a hold of yourself and stop attacking him or anyone else for that matter with ad hominem attacks. There you just called me a Sanghi. (not that I'm insulted by it ) Anyone who doesn't agree with your view point is not from the RSS IT cell or some genocidal fascist clan.
Do yourself and all of us a favor - do what your username says- and TAKE IT EASY mate.
 
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I heard that in India, if you accidentally run a human over with your car, you can wait there and call the police. But if you accidentally kill a cow with a car, you'd better drive off quickly before the mob tries to lynch you.

why not cook it and eat it after you flattened it. i bet its way, tastier this way.
or you can tie the cow on the roof and drive home to eat it.
 
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cow heard owner beats the couple for hitting their cattle, how the hell is this a hate crime. people in this thread must be blind for calling it as a racist minority attack, for fu*k snakes everyone involved are Hindus.

:haha: but go ahead get triggered without context
 
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I heard that in India, if you accidentally run a human over with your car, you can wait there and call the police. But if you accidentally kill a cow with a car, you'd better drive off quickly before the mob tries to lynch you.

True.But only if the victim is Chinese @accidentally run over a "human ".
 
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But i do get your point of view
Their POV - Since they are hyper Hindutva extremists, the Christian or Muslim supposedly should be also the same. For them, India is Gujarat, Rajasthan or Delhi. Everyone eats Bhindi daal sabzi tarkaari. Cow meat they assumed is not consumed across India. Since, the food habits does not oblige with these fanatic hyper religious Hindus, they assume meat eaters are mlechcha and what not. Vegetarian terrorism - This word is contributed by India, thanks to Sanghis. Also, Hitler was also a vegetarian, see the similarity!

Yes, I know LTTE elements and even the present era Tamil separatists like Seeman are Christians and they seems to be more into separatism, is it because of religious affiliation, I don't know. If so, it's quite bad. Heard the protestant-pentecostal churches have anti-national nature in north eastern states too. Don't know much. But, I'm sure they don't kill people for eating meat.

(In my case, I don't care; I'm just appalled at my country going to the hands of RSS and the hyper Hindutva North Indian cow belt.)
 
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