5 Ancient Battle that Change the World - Battle Of Alesia 52 BC

[flamer84]

Had the Romans lost in Alesia, they could simply do what they always do and send 2 Consuls with an army each. And another 2 afterwards.

Maybe a few years later,at that time most of the Senate would be to happy if Caesar's head ended up on a Gaulish spike.

The mentioned three Asians have their own superior civilizations, ruled the land comparable to Roman empire, the population in India and China is more than Romans have ruled in some cases.

We read history in western perspective, which is why Roman empire is seen as centre of everything.

You read it because the "Roman model"-Parliament,some laws etc is present on multiple continents due to European influence,Asian "models" are not.You're just going to have to quit being butthurt and accept reality for what it is.

 

[zzebie]

might seem to you , but according to academies Valerian was captured in a battle and spent the rest of his life in Persia

I just read that in Wiki. You might be correct, as i haven't read much on this subject

 

[Armstrong]

@jhungary you didn't mention me in his opening post !

And I thought that he considered me his little brother !

Come on you still can't be cross with me for beating you silly in a game of football !

And when I say football...I mean 'FOOTBALL' - yup the one thats played with the 'foot' !

 

[jammersat]

I just read that in Wiki. You might be correct, as i haven't read much on this subject

true that , wiki is a reliable source of historical revisionism , I read it like 10+ years ago...

of course I was talking about ancient Rome that has absolutely nothing to do with Romania

 

[flamer84]

The humiliation of Valerian by Shapur :

Shapur denouncing Valerian , and announcing Philip the Arab as the Roman emperor :

That's nice but in the end ,apart from the last war,these were just border wars for the Romans.How many times did the Persians burned down/took Rome or Constantinople ? Well.....0 times.On the other hand the Romans did that to the Persian capital

Hardly , the Gauls or the French are regarded by modern day western historians as simply barbarians , the Roman conquest of Gaul is of no significance to them , most regard the Persian-greek battles of marathon and thermopolae as that , shaping the world today , if not that , the Persian-Roman wars were the longest continues wars fought between the west and the east , crusades fade in comparison to Persian-Roman wars , pre-Islamic Persians killed more Christians than any jihadi , mamluk , or turk ever did , trenches and crossbows were invented during those times.

The Persians provoking wars with the Romans prooved to be a stupidity.After the last war the Persian and Roman empires were so weak that they fell prey to the Arabs.The Romans managed to survive altough they lost many territories but the Persians were utterly defeated,conquered both phisically and culturally.The Arabs imposed their customs and laws on them.

 

[jammersat]

That's nice but in the end ,apart from the last war,these were just border wars for the Romans.How many times did the Persians burned down/took Rome or Constantinople ? Well.....0 times.On the other hand the Romans did that to the Persian capital

the Persian capital was not even a city , it was a compound for the king to keep his wives , a harem if you will , it was nothing like Rome if Persians managed to capture rome you would be all be speaking german by now
And it wasn't just border wars for Rome , Parthian (Scythian) mercenaries took part in roman civil wars , so again it wasn't as pathetic for the Persians as you try to portray ..

The Persians provoking wars with the Romans prooved to be a stupidity.After the last war the Persian and Roman empires were so weak that they fell prey to the Arabs.The Romans managed to survive altough they lost many territories but the Persians were utterly defeated,conquered both phisically and culturally.The Arabs imposed their customs and laws on them.

nope , the byzantines were conquered by turks not arabs , maybe you are mistaking them for the Spanish , the reason the Persians fell and the byzantines survived was that first , Byzantium was uphill for arabs and Persia was not , constantinopole was a big fortress no doubt , even more so than Jerusalem , However the other reason is Persians were called majus and mawali by the arabs while byzantians were "people of the book" according to muhammed and his quran.

 

[flamer84]

nope , the byzantines were conquered by turks not arabs , maybe you are mistaking them for the Spanish , the reason the Persians fell and the byzantines survived was that first , Byzantium was uphill for arabs and Persia was not , constantinopole was a big fortress no doubt , even more so than Jerusalem , However the other reason is Persians were called majus and mawali by the arabs while byzantians were "people of the book" according to muhammed and his quran.

The Byzantines survived because they managed to repel the Arabs at the gates of Constantinople and later in Anatolia.What uphill are you talking about ? Be serious or stop engaging in conversations.Byzantium fell to the Turks in 1453 ,800 years later after the last Persian Empire was steamrolled by the Arabs.In the end Byzantium played its part defending the eastern flank of Europe just enough for centralised states to emerge on the continent.

the Persian capital was not even a city , it was a compound for the king to keep his wives , a harem if you will , it was nothing like Rome if Persians managed to capture rome you would be all be speaking german by now
And it wasn't just border wars for Rome , Parthian (Scythian) mercenaries took part in roman civil wars , so again it wasn't as pathetic for the Persians as you try to portray ..

No,it had walls and population,walls repeatedly torned down by the Romans.

CTESIPHON – Encyclopaedia Iranica

A Roman general ,Avidius Cassius even demolished the royal palace.Slim chance for the Persians doing that in Constantinople or Rome.All in all,3 times the Persian capital fell to the Romans,its walls ,palaces and temples demolished,its population enslaved and its riches plundered.


EDIT....Sry,the Persian capital fell 4 times to the Romans.I honestly didn't know about the 4th sacking,just read about it now.

 

[jammersat]

@flamer84 , the Persian - Parthian defeat of rome was just as significant as the Germanic , goth , vandal , Scottish victories over rome , Persians might have been Asiatic , middle eastern or etc. like you so desperately try to prove but they halted Rome !

 

[flamer84]

@flamer84 , the Persian - Parthian defeat of rome was just as significant as the Germanic , goth , vandal , Scottish victories over rome , Persians might have been Asiatic , middle eastern or etc. like you so desperately try to prove but they halted Rome !

What ?

The Barbarians in Europe actually marched on Rome,took lands from its hinterland,the Parthians never did that,at best they took some outer provinces.And the Huns for example were Asiatic tribes,they were more destructive to Rome than the Persians.

 

[jammersat]

The Byzantines survived because they managed to repel the Arabs at the gates of Constantinople and later in Anatolia.What uphill are you talking about ? Be serious or stop engaging in conversations.Byzantium fell to the Turks in 1453 ,800 years later after the last Persian Empire was steamrolled by the Arabs.In the end Byzantium played its part defending the eastern flank of Europe just enough for centralised states to emerge on the continent.

Persia was easy target no doubt , but the byzantians met their fate too , at the hand of the turks , worse than arabs , Christianity was eventually suppressed both ways

No,it had walls and population,walls repeatedly torned down by the Romans.

CTESIPHON – Encyclopaedia Iranica

A Roman general ,Avidius Cassius even demolished the royal palace.TSlim chance for the Persians doing that in Constantinople or Rome.All in all,3 times the Persian capital fell to the Romans,its walls ,palaces and temples demolished,its population enslaved and its riches plundered.

nope , the Sassanid capital in it's essence was quite similar to Persepolis :

Persepolis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I suggest you visit both to realize they were not cities nor small towns , they were a compound for the king to reside

There are numerous cities both pre-Islamic and post-Islamic that survive to day , Persepolis and Ctesiphon were not among them , all romans did was to capture the Persian king's harem , that pretty much indicates as to why your roman general talked so vigorously about Ctesiphon

What ?

The Barbarians in Europe actually marched on Rome,took lands from its hinterland,the Parthians never did that,at best they took some outer provinces.And the Huns for example were Asiatic tribes,they were more destructive to Rome than the Persians.

well the Gaulish barbarians surrendered to Rome first of all , they are portrayed as barbarians not by Iranian historians but the western ones, Germans defeated rome in their dense forests , the celts of Scotland use the overstretch of the roman army in a far away island like Britain , It was the Parthians who did the hard work and defeated rome in an adverse situation , that's a fact that neither you nor any other westerner can defy

And the romans weren't quite what you like to imagine , they were a Mediterranean civilization , mostly levant arabs , nothing more ...

 

[flamer84]

Persia was easy target no doubt , but the byzantians met their fate too , at the hand of the turks , worse than arabs , Christianity was eventually suppressed both ways



nope , the Sassanid capital in it's essence was quite similar to Persepolis :

Persepolis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I suggest you visit both to realize they were not cities nor small towns , they were a compound for the king to reside

There are numerous cities both pre-Islamic and post-Islamic that survive to day , Persepolis and Ctesiphon were not among them , all romans did was to capture the Persian king's harem , that pretty much indicates as to why your roman general talked so vigorously about Ctesiphon

Christianity was supressed ? lol,it thrived in Europe and was spread throughout the world,heck it survived even in the ME and N. Africa.Even those "savage,dark age Europeans" how you like to call them managed to hold on to their faith and rezist the invaders in the 7-8th centuries,see the Franks at Toul0use and other examples.Yes,Byzantium fell..............................800 years after the Persians,lol.The Arabs threw your Persian Empire to the dust bin of history. in a few years

I gave you a link,read it and stop wasting peoples time.Ctesiphon was a city,built with walls ,palaces,and houses for the people brought their to live.Stop making asinine comments.

 

[jammersat]

Christianity was supressed ? lol,it thrived in Europe and was spread throughout the world,heck it survived even in the ME and N. Africa.Even those "savage,dark age Europeans" how you like to call them managed to hold on to their faith and rezist the invaders in the 7-8th centuries,see the Franks at Toul0use and other examples.Yes,Byzantium fell..............................800 years after the Persians,lol.The Arabs threw your Persian Empire to the dust bin of history. in a few years

I gave you a link,read it and stop wasting peoples time.Ctesiphon was a city,built with walls ,palaces,and houses for the people brought their to live.Stop making asinine comments.

Christianity thrived in continental europe after the holy roman empire (Germany) converted to Christianity , that was well after , Parthians , Sassanids , Romans .. it was a quite different era , it's called the dark ages

 

[flamer84]

Christianity thrived in continental europe after the holy roman empire (Germany) converted to Christianity , that was well after , Parthians , Sassanids , Romans .. it was a quite different era , it's called the dark ages

Yep,it's clear now,you really are stupid......the holy roman empire converted to Christianity.....LMFAO

 

[Koovie]

Christianity thrived in continental europe after the holy roman empire (Germany) converted to Christianity , that was well after , Parthians , Sassanids , Romans .. it was a quite different era , it's called the dark ages

When did the Holy Roman Empire convert to Christianity ?

@flamer84 , the Persian - Parthian defeat of rome was just as significant as the Germanic , goth , vandal , Scottish victories over rome , Persians might have been Asiatic , middle eastern or etc. like you so desperately try to prove but they halted Rome !

The Roman Sassanid wars were in no way decisive.... except in severely weakening both empires with sever consequences for both.

 

[Taygibay]

No disrespect intended @jammersat but considering how your history differs from usual,
does it mention a small Frenchman sauntering through Europe around the 1800s … or an
attempt ( quite successful ) a 100 years ago to hike the lead and iron content of the fields of
Northern France and a big party Europe threw for the Yanks and the Kreuts 7 their friends
halfway through the last century?
If you missed that, let me break it down, we, the West are not friends with the Russians anymore!

And good evening all, Tay.

Bonus track hint : The original Roman Empire had turned Christian prior to disappearing.
Thus the Holy Roman Empire ( beginning at earliest with Charlemagne ) always was ??