4G internet connectivity restored in Jammu & Kashmir

[masterchief_mirza]

Sure...

If you say UN resolution on J & K, it by default means that Indian parts, GB and Pak kashmir (PAK) and also aksai chin (China).

So lets agree.... Please follow the same in PAK kashmir and GB, then request to China and India for follow the same.

We have discussed this multiple times on this site. You have not taken the necessary prerequisite steps.

Khan himself has stated clearly that he is ready.

Pakistan ready for plebiscite in line with UN resolution: Imran

"The world must ensure that human rights abuses do not go unpunished and that the perpetrators are held accountable."

www.dawn.com

What planet are you living on that Pakistan doesn't want a plebiscite?

Has India even once stated that they are ready and willing for a plebiscite - just once?

Mighty land of demokrashee and chakra and Kamala Harris. Cannot hold a simple plebiscite.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

We have discussed this multiple times on this site. You have not taken the necessary prerequisite steps.

Khan himself has stated clearly that he is ready.

Pakistan ready for plebiscite in line with UN resolution: Imran

"The world must ensure that human rights abuses do not go unpunished and that the perpetrators are held accountable."

www.dawn.com

What planet are you living on that Pakistan doesn't want a plebiscite?

Has India even once stated that they are ready and willing for a plebiscite - just once?

Mighty land of demokrashee and chakra and Kamala Harris. Cannot hold a simple plebiscite.

I hope chinese is also agreed for aksai chin if they are not then Imran khan should speak with them?

If both will be agreed then the world can point finger at India. If not, then leave it.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I hope chinese is also agreed for aksai chin if they are not then Imran khan should speak with them?

If both will be agreed then the world can point finger at India. If not, then leave it.

Again, what rock do Indians live under that they cannot hear when statements are made?

"“China’s position on the Kashmir issue is consistent and clear. It is an issue left over from history between India and Pakistan which should be resolved properly and peacefully in accordance with the UN Charter, relevant Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreements,” said Zhao Lijian"

Does your state suffer from internet bans also that you miss everything that's been going on for three years?

Indian troop levels have not decreased in JnK. Rather, they have increased (we all know why India needs more troops in "peaceful, developing and progressing" Kashmir). Send the Bihar regiments home, let neutral UN in, hold a plebiscite. Be done with it.

Again, has India EVER called for a plebiscite in line with UN resolutions? Just find me one such statement of good faith from Hindustan.
And you're right - the world is starting to point its finger at India for denying these people their right to self determination.

New York State Assembly resolution calls for recognition of Kashmir American Day

The government expressed concern at the development and said it would engage with the New York State officials on “all matters”

www.google.com

In fact, such a finger has been prodded in the ribs of hinduland, that:

" government expressed concern at the development and said it would engage with the New York State officials on “all matters”"

Quite the "isolation" of Pakistan you've got going on there..

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Again, what rock do Indians live under that they cannot hear when statements are made?

"“China’s position on the Kashmir issue is consistent and clear. It is an issue left over from history between India and Pakistan which should be resolved properly and peacefully in accordance with the UN Charter, relevant Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreements,” said Zhao Lijian"

Does your state suffer from internet bans also that you miss everything that's been going on for three years?

Indian troop levels have not decreased in JnK. Rather, they have increased (we all know why India needs more troops in "peaceful, developing and progressing" Kashmir). Send the Bihar regiments home, let neutral UN in, hold a plebiscite. Be done with it.

Again, has India EVER called for a plebiscite in line with UN resolutions? Just find me one such statement of good faith from Hindustan.
And you're right - the world is starting to point its finger at India for denying these people their right to self determination.

New York State Assembly resolution calls for recognition of Kashmir American Day

The government expressed concern at the development and said it would engage with the New York State officials on “all matters”

www.google.com

In fact, such a finger has been prodded in the ribs of hinduland, that:

" government expressed concern at the development and said it would engage with the New York State officials on “all matters”"

Quite the "isolation" of Pakistan you've got going on there..

And about Aksai chin?

I have a simple question because if anyone talks about UN resolution then it gets apply to Aksai chin, Indian J & K and Pak (GB and Kashmir).

Let me know if any resolution passed by UN for only indian held Kashmir?


"“China’s position on the Kashmir issue is consistent and clear. It is an issue left over from history between India and Pakistan which should be resolved properly and peacefully in accordance with the UN Charter, relevant Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreements,” said Zhao Lijian"

Yes, Chinese should allow to UN and do the voting if they are so noble....

 

[masterchief_mirza]

And about Aksai chin?

I have a simple question because if anyone talk about UN resolution then it gets apply to Aksai chin, Indian J & K and Pak (GB and Kashmir).

"“China’s position on the Kashmir issue is consistent and clear. It is an issue left over from history between India and Pakistan which should be resolved properly and peacefully in accordance with the UN Charter, relevant Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreements,” said Zhao Lijian"

Yes, Chinese should allow to UN and do the voting if they are so noble....

Aksai Chin? You lost Aksai Chin to China. What's it got to do with a UN resolution pertaining to India and Pakistan? How is your military loss to China even remotely my problem?

If you and I are disputing the extent of our back garden boundary and someone steals your house during this dispute, how is it my problem?

Why must Indians constantly cry about China instead of actually doing something about them if they bother you so much?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Aksai Chin? You lost Aksai Chin to China. What's it got to do with a UN resolution pertaining to India and Pakistan? How is your military loss to China even remotely my problem?

If you and I are disputing the extent of our back garden boundary and someone steals your house during this dispute, how is it my problem?

Why must Indians constantly cry about China instead of actually doing something about them if they bother you so much?

UN resolution was passed before 1962, so why not?

As per UN and UN resolution on Kashmir, Aksai chin is also part of J & K. UN Resolution should be applied to all sake holders otherwise it get null by default.

Now coming to Pakistan, if PAK amy is so strong then should follow the Chinese style and take the kashmir as chinese did in 1962. NO need OF UN and UN resolution.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

UN resolution was passed before 1962, so why not?

As per UN and UN resolution on Kashmir, Aksai chin is also part of J & K. UN Resolution should be applied to all sake holders otherwise it get null by default.

Now coming to Pakistan, if PAK amy is so strong then should follow the Chinese style and take the kashmir as chinese did in 1962. NO need OF UN and UN resolution.

That's the point man! You lost AC after the resolution was passed. It's up to you to earn it back or not. It's like I'm conversing with a cuckoo clock.

If China had taken the whole of Kashmir, can you demand they hand it over to you just so you can implement UN resolutions that existed before??

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That's the point man! You lost AC after the resolution was passed. It's up to you to earn it back or not. It's like I'm conversing with a cuckoo clock.

If China had taken the whole of Kashmir, can you demand they hand it over to you just so you can implement UN resolutions that existed before??

Why? Does it matter? There is only one resolution passed in 1940/50's on J&K and all are sake holders.

India fought a Siachen war in 1984 against Pakistan and controlling all major Glacier. Does it mean that UN resolution not get apply on Siachen Glacier?

The only fact is that one resolution was passed and all are stakeholders. If anyone is not agree then it get invalid by default.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Why? Does it matter? There is only one resolution passed in 1940/50's on J&K and all are sake holders.

India fought a Siachen war in 1984 against Pakistan and controlling all major Glacier. Does it mean that UN resolution not get apply on Siachen Glacier?

The only fact is that one resolution was passed and all are stakeholders. If anyone is not agree then it get invalid by default.

China is not party to the UN resolutions.

Let's say Brazil snatched a piece of Azad Kashmir (assuming it's even designated as disputed territory) - why would Brazil be accountable under any agreement pertaining to other parties? I think this tangent you have taken us down is confusing the rather straightforward points raised above.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

China is not party to the UN resolutions.

Let's say Brazil snatched a piece of Azad Kashmir (assuming it's even designated as disputed territory) - why would Brazil be accountable under any agreement pertaining to other parties? I think this tangent you have taken us down is confusing the rather straightforward points raised above.

What does mean by party?

When was resolution passed that time Aksai chin was part of J & K and disputed territory between India and Pakistan.

Let's assume If Pakistan will gift all parts (Pak kashmir and GB) to China then also resolution will be remain the same, UN resolution will be applied to all parts including gifted one and indian one. If it can't be applied then by default it will be null and invalid.

It will not be only applied on Indian part of kashmir.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

What does mean by party?

When was resolution passed that time Aksai chin was part of J & K and disputed territory between India and Pakistan.

Let's assume If Pakistan will gift all parts (Pak kashmir and GB) to China then also resolution will be remain the same, UN resolution will be applied to all parts including gifted one and indian one. If it can't be applied then by default it will be null and invalid.

It will not be only applied on Indian part of kashmir.

Sadly for you, there is simply zero legal precedent for your fanciful theories.

You are suggesting that because the net controlled territory of India is not identical today to what it was 70 years ago, that agreements entered into by that India do not apply to present world India.

This is simply horseshit.

The legal entity of India as acknowledged by the UN is the entity that exists today and agreements between UN and India that applied even on 15/8/1947 still apply today (unless revoked or altered contractually).

To reiterate, just because your land mass has changed from your own misadventures, it doesn't mean previous agreements signed by India are null and void.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Sadly for you, there is simply zero legal precedent for your fanciful theories.

You are suggesting that because the net controlled territory of India is not identical today to what it was 70 years ago, that agreements entered into by that India do not apply to present world India.

This is simply horseshit.

The legal entity of India as acknowledged by the UN is the entity that exists today and agreements between UN and India that applied even on 15/8/1947 still apply today (unless revoked or altered contractually).

To reiterate, just because your land mass has changed from your own misadventures, it doesn't mean previous agreements signed by India are null and void.

Tell me where UN said that it will only apply on India or pakistan part of kashmir? resolution says, jammu and kashmir and even please visit to UN website and have a look the map (J&K).

What I am saying that whatever resolution is their, that is for J & K including PAk and Chinese parts.

If any resolution will get apply then it will apply to all parts. you can be chooser.

Conclusion is that - UN resolution is already invalid because J&K is not disputed with only India and Pakistan. Now, Chinese is also part of the dispute.

Case 1- If you still want UN resolution then India, pakistan and chinese must me agreed.
Case 2. if anyone is not agree then just forget it.

Reality is that case 2 is applied a long and UN resolution has already dead but since Pakistan can not get by force but still politicians want to take benefits. It is still alive in Pakistan but practically, it is dead case.

UN can't force India to vacate Kashmir or to Pakistan or to China.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Tell me where UN said that it will only apply on India or pakistan part of kashmir? resolution says, jammu and kashmir and even please visit to UN website and have a look the map (J&K).

What I am saying that whatever resolution is their, that is for J & K including PAk and Chinese parts.

If any resolution will get apply then it will apply to all parts. you can be chooser.

Conclusion is that - UN resolution is already invalid because J&K is not disputed with only India and Pakistan. Now, Chinese is also part of the dispute.

Case 1- If you still want UN resolution then India, pakistan and chinese must me agreed.
Case 2. if anyone is not agree then just forget it.

Reality is that case 2 is applied a long and UN resolution has already dead but since Pakistan can not get by force but still politicians want to take benefits. It is still alive in Pakistan but practically, it is dead case.

UN can't force India to vacate Kashmir or to Pakistan or to China.

It is a moot point - but not for the reasons you have suggested. Again, refer to my above explanation that a third party's involvement in occupying territory has no bearing whatsoever on agreements attested to between two belligerent parties (mediated by the UN). It's patently nonsensical.

I do agree however that this is all an academic tangent of a discussion. India has already spat grievously upon the UN resolutions and the Shimla accords by virtue of the annexation in 2019. The LOC is now a cease-fire line. The agreements hitherto are worthless for this reason - that India has already broken them. Aksai Chin is irrelevant to the UN resolutions, just as any territory surrendered by India in AP or elsewhere.

 

[xeuss]

All this is just in name. Only for post-paid service and the Kashmiri Muslim must obtain permission from police.

Police has already indicated it will create a cell of "volunteers" who will monitor the online activities of the people.