41 years old Malaysian Iman marries 11-year-old 3rd wife

[I.R.A]

they are both correct
the thing you misunderstand is that you say a nine year old cannot consent
but thats not what Islam says.
The validity of marriage to a minor girl is proven by the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]”
[al-Talaaq 65:4]
So the ‘iddah for those who do not menstruate because they are too young is three months, and ‘iddah has to do with divorce after getting married, which indicates that the girls in question has been married and divorced.

if you still dont believe,then thats on you.
just dont spread falsehood

Now you are falling for the twisted version of translation this verse, which would have you believe that “those who did not menstruate” refers to prepubescent girls who have not “yet” attained puberty, thereby concluding that Islam permits child marriage.

The verse starts off by discussing the waiting period for women who have ceased to menstruate, in the case of a divorce. Therefore, it has laid the context of adult women who are of menstruating age. Obviously then, “those who did not menstruate” is from the context of adult women who are supposed to menstruate, but did not do so. This medical condition is called Amenorrhea where a woman does not have menstrual periods. The waiting period for such women, then, is the same – 3 months.

My friend, I think you don't even understand why Iddah period is necessary.

Anyways you asked me for a hadeeth, I gave you one, and now again I present to you Quran's verdict on this, just convince me how did Ayesha consent according to the twisted, hypocritical narrations that you quoted.

“O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will.” (Quran, 4:19)

In your ignorance you are associating the most heinous things with very respected personalities, it's not a competition where you or I would take a trophy at the end to satisfy our egos. For me its matter of separating truth from lies and showing to people like you how you have been misguided into disrespecting the very personalities, that we regard highly.

 

[Hrk19]

Now you are falling for the twisted version of translation this verse, which would have you believe that “those who did not menstruate” refers to prepubescent girls who have not “yet” attained puberty, thereby concluding that Islam permits child marriage.

The verse starts off by discussing the waiting period for women who have ceased to menstruate, in the case of a divorce. Therefore, it has laid the context of adult women who are of menstruating age. Obviously then, “those who did not menstruate” is from the context of adult women who are supposed to menstruate, but did not do so. This medical condition is called Amenorrhea where a woman does not have menstrual periods. The waiting period for such women, then, is the same – 3 months.

My friend, I think you don't even understand why Iddah period is necessary.

Anyways you asked me for a hadeeth, I gave you one, and now again I present to you Quran's verdict on this, just convince me how did Ayesha consent according to the twisted, hypocritical narrations that you quoted.

“O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will.” (Quran, 4:19)

In your ignorance you are associating the most heinous things with very respected personalities, it's not a competition where you or I would take a trophy at the end to satisfy our egos. For me its matter of separating truth from lies and showing to people like you how you have been misguided into disrespecting the very personalities, that we regard highly.

no,its your cersion thats twisted
see i proved with hadith that ayesha was 9 when she consumated her marriage.
and then taking this verse into account,it means marriage with minors is allowed.
the problem with you is that you deny hadith
which itself is tantamount to kufr.
again read this
“And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not”
[al-Talaaq 65:4].
Al-Sa‘di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “along with those who have it [menses] not” means minors, those who have not yet started to menstruate. Adult women who have never menstruated at all are like those who “despair of menstruation” (i.e., have passed menopause); their ‘iddah is three months. End quote.
Tafseer al-Sa‘di, p. 870

regarding the hadith
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4840) and Muslim (1422).
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Kabeer, 7/386:
With regard to females, the father may give his minor, virgin daughter who has not yet reached the age of nine in marriage, and there is no difference of opinion concerning that, if he gives her in marriage to someone who is compatible. Ibn al-Mundhir said: All of those scholars from whom we acquired knowledge unanimously agreed that it is permissible for a father to give his minor daughter in marriage if he arranges her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to do that even if she is reluctant. End quote.
Secondly:
No one may give a minor daughter in marriage except her father according to the view of Maalik and Ahmad. This was also the view of al-Shaafa‘i, but he regarded the grandfather as being like the father in that regard. Abu Haneefah said – and it was also narrated from Ahmad – that it is permissible for a guardian other than the father to give (the minor girl) in marriage, but the more correct view is the former one.
See: al-Mughni, 7/33
Thirdly:
The father should not give a minor daughter in marriage except in a case where he thinks it is in her best interests. Just as he may only dispose of her wealth in that which is in her best interests, the same applies with regard to arranging her marriage. Islam only permits that to the Muslim father who is pious and pays proper attention to the best interests of his children, and who understands very well that he is a shepherd and that he is responsible for his flock.
Ibn Wahb narrated that Maalik said, with regard to a man arranging a marriage for an orphan girl under his care: If he thinks that (the husband) is a man of virtue, righteousness and wisdom, it is permissible for him to do that.
Ahkaam al-Qur’aan by al-Jassaas, 2/342
Fourthly:
A man should not consummate marriage with his young bride until she is physically able to bear intercourse. This varies from one time, place and environment to another.

again
dont do kufr
sahih hadith i posted are correct and the one you did is also true but ayesha did consent
problem is you have a biased idea that minors cant consent
not islams point of view
go to any alim and see what he says

 

[I.R.A]

go to any alim and see what he says

Go to any alim and ask him hand of his 6 year old daughter and see what he says. You will get the first hand direct confirmation.

Sayings associated with Ayesha are not hadeeth ......... so basically you haven't provided any hadeeth, and you are holding at the weakest fake tradition, which most of the Muslims scholars and researchers have debunked over and again. Your arguments are deprived of logic, deprived of any sense and are against the nature.

Kiss kunway may rehtay ho bai ......... 6 saal ki bachi ko kiss nazar say dekhtay ho ..... koi ALLAH ka khuaf karo.

 

[Hrk19]

Go to any alim and ask him hand of his 6 year old daughter and see what he says. You will get the first hand direct confirmation.

Sayings associated with Ayesha are not hadeeth ......... so basically you haven't provided any hadeeth, and you are holding at the weakest fake tradition, which most of the Muslims scholars and researchers have debunked over and again. Your arguments are deprived of logic, deprived of any sense and are against the nature.

Kiss kunway may rehtay ho bai ......... 6 saal ki bachi ko kiss nazar say dekhtay ho ..... koi ALLAH ka khuaf karo.

its in sahih hadith
it is her saying.
seems you are denying them
why are you making excuses.
you seem way far astray
may Allah guide you.
@waz please close this thread
sorry for bothering you but cant remember any other mods right now

 

[I.R.A]

its in sahih hadith
it is her saying.
seems you are denying them
why are you making excuses.
you seem way far astray
may Allah guide you.
@waz please close this thread
sorry for bothering you but cant remember any other mods right now

You should try what I told you. Ask the alim for hand of his 6 year old daughter. After all its Sahih Hadeeth and he should be happy to follow it.

Your sahih hadeeth is full of character assassination of Ayesha (May ALLAH be pleased with her) and insults thrown at her, one of the reasons I consider them inventions to malign the pious Mother of Momineen.

Wsalam .......

 

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Wan Azizah: Govt is firmly against child marriage

FMT Reporters
| July 17, 2018

The deputy prime minister says the government has always been consistent about the issue and its position has not changed.

Deputy Prime Minister Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail says the child marriage case in Gua Musang, Kelantan, is still being probed. (Bernama pic)

PETALING JAYA: Deputy Prime Minister Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail has reiterated that the Pakatan Harapan (PH) government is against child marriages and taking steps to raise the minimum age of marriage to 18 years old.

She said the government had always been consistent about the issue and its stand had not changed.

“We note the distress caused and the concerns raised by the incident involving a 41-year-old Malaysian man who allegedly married an 11-year-old Thai national living in Gua Musang, Kelantan,” she said in a statement today.

“Our stand is clear and has consistently been the one expressed on July 2,” she said.

“We unequivocally oppose child marriages and are taking steps to raise the minimum age of marriage to 18 years. My officers are already working on this.

“The specific incident in Gua Musang is still under active investigation by multiple agencies. We are coordinating this investigation.”

Wan Azizah said it was not wise to prejudge the issue before all the evidence had been gathered and the investigations were completed.

“As the government, we have to act within the law of the federation.

“This is what the rule of law means. The actions we take in dealing with this alleged incident of child marriage must be based on evidence,” she said.

She said the government would issue a statement on the matter only after the investigations had been completed.

“While we understand the anger this incident has caused, it is important to not let our personal feelings dictate the course of actions we should take.

“It would be unjust to lynch someone by social media because of how we feel about the issue,” she added.

Wan Azizah’s statement came in the wake of criticisms from several quarters about the government’s stance regarding child marriages.

They were referring to the case of Che Abdul Karim Che Hamid, a 41-year-old rubber tapper from Kelantan who made headlines for marrying an 11-year-old girl.

He was fined RM1,800 by the Gua Musang Shariah Court after pleading guilty to marrying a minor without the prior consent from the court and engaging in polygamay without permission from his spouse.