4- Type 054 Frigates from China, Pakistan's next Goal

[Arsalan]

The purchasing of Type 054 if planned is not so soon. Pakistan has already delayed several projects including the induction of the next generation subs.

exactly,
the Milgem project for PN is also reported to be delayed further. we have discussed this on the relavant thread in Naval section.

regards!

 

[Tajdar adil]

four Type 054A FFGs to Pakistan
Rumors persist of a possible package of four Type 054A FFGs to Pakistan in addition to the current four F22P "sword class" FFG deal. An injection of four Type 054A frigates with medium-range HQ-16 VLS SAMs would be a considerable upgrade for the Pakistan navy -- for the first time, it could provide an Area-Air-Defense umbrella for its task force. Other than the Type 053H3 "Jiangwei" class, the Type 054A frigate is the only Chinese frigate in mass production. It’s seaworthiness has been proven by deployments in the Gulf of Aden.

These rumors gain credibility this week since a senior Pakistani official told Janes Defense weekly that "Pakistan's navy was in informal negotiations with China for the purchase of another three to four frigates, that will be larger than the F22Ps." *

With courting from both China and US it is spring time for the Pakistan military.

 

[unicorn148]

No they will be bigger versions of F22P and not Type 054A because PN cant invest so much at a time first they may order F22p and after that may be Type 054A because PN is already in plans for new subs so it may be difficult ..........

 

[Mani2020]

No they will be bigger versions of F22P and not Type 054A because PN cant invest so much at a time first they may order F22p and after that may be Type 054A because PN is already in plans for new subs so it may be difficult ..........

We already have received 3 F-22P while the fourth one is under-construction at Karachi Shipyard .Pn is looking for another 4 frigates from China but it is not confirmed whether they will be another f-22P's or Type 54 with upgradation according to PN needs like in case of
f-22ps

 

[Areesh]

We already have received 3 F-22P while the fourth one is under-construction at Karachi Shipyard .Pn is looking for another 4 frigates from China but it is not confirmed whether they will be another f-22P's or Type 54 with upgradation according to PN needs like in case of
f-22ps

It would most probably be upgraded F22P with designation F23P. Anyways it would surely have a displacement of around 4000 tons.

 

[Mani2020]

You are right about the designation F-23P ,but this designation is not for upgraded F-22P rather this designation is for upgraded Type-054 according to PN needs, Atleast thats what i red

 

[Manticore]

“We need to expand F22P, whether we do exactly the same as F22P or we make some upgrade, make it even better. Because of the technology is changing every year, in order to keep it up to date, you have to keep upgrading what you have.”


F22P frigate is an improved version of Chinese Type 053H3 frigate, its full load displacement is 3000+ton but without any vertical launch system.

He said F22P can be modified to become closer to Type 054A, but not exactly like that. Pakistan Navy is discussing with Chinese counterparts about its future frigate upgrading program.


He not ruled out the possibility of naming the next generation frigate as F23P.

Pakistan needs more F-22Ps, not Type 054A

 

[Penguin]

1 of 4 initial F22Ps was built in Pakistan. Not ordering additional domestically built ships like the F22p would defeat the whole purpose of ToT in this case. Hence, I would consider it extremely unlikely that PN would get 4 Type 054(A) from China. Not to mention the fact that a single 054 probably cost double that of an F22P.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think you are just over analysing things

a) We have already paid for Frigates 4 ones that we got back in 2005
so these are already paid for

b) After that we achieved Transfer of technology to build F22P locally
at Pakistani ports

c) The Type 054 is on our radars becasue our Navy heads have
stated they are interested in heavier ships in China , and that is
is the Type 054 - they would also be open to Upgraded F22P
class ships (Another 4 , with more Air defence)

Either way we view it we will get another 4 frigates from China and 6 from US

 

[ANG]

Hi, here are my 2 cents. The PN definitely needs the Type 054A class ships. Also there have been various articles saying they are looking at them. but time will tell. In terms of costs, Pakistan always gets soft loans from China, as that country never seems to be able to pay for these big ticket items on her own.

Lastly, I hope the PN coordinates with the PAF on the SAM systems they buy for these ships, as it has been stated the PAF is currently evaluating 4 long range SAM systems, including the HQ-18 from China. Take care.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1 of 4 initial F22Ps was built in Pakistan. Not ordering additional domestically built ships like the F22p would defeat the whole purpose of ToT in this case. Hence, I would consider it extremely unlikely that PN would get 4 Type 054(A) from China. Not to mention the fact that a single 054 probably cost double that of an F22P.

And the statement of the PN official, suggesting ' making the F-22 P more like the Type 054', would also point towards the PN thinking about leveraging the infrastructure and technological know-how obtained from the F-22P program into developing frigates with more of the capabilities the PN would like to see in its surface fleet.

It would be a good opportunity to collaborate with Chinese engineers in naval design (in modifying the F-22P) - perhaps a good interim step towards R&D of a completely new frigate down the line.

 

[unicorn148]

Someone show this guy the door....

what door you want to show..
if you have a source claiming that PN will be ordering Type -054A then show it........
more than the cost of type 054 a will be double that of F22p and now the PN thinking of buying new subs it will far too difficult

 

[MZUBAIR]

what door you want to show..
if you have a source claiming that PN will be ordering Type -054A then show it........
more than the cost of type 054 a will be double that of F22p and now the PN thinking of buying new subs it will far too difficult

Ur not finance Manager of Pakistan Navy.
Few years ago ur brothers were saying that we r not capable to buy F16's.

Look we are going to hav 60+ F16 blck 52 n MLU(equal to blck 52).

Ur brothers were saying that we cant buy AWACS...But we are getting 4 Saab n 4 Chinees Made AWACS

Ur brothers were saying that we cant buy frigates...we bough F22, Michnary from USA.

Ur brothers were saying we cant test missiles...but we are doing.

Now Lets talk abt Type-54, its on discussion board....n we hav budget of abt 500 Million $ for new frigates.
Pakistan only have the prob for u is that Pakistan dont announce openly.

 

[graphican]

Ur not finance Manager of Pakistan Navy.
Few years ago ur brothers were saying that we r not capable to buy F16's.

Look we are going to hav 60+ F16 blck 52 n MLU(equal to blck 52).

Ur brothers were saying that we cant buy AWACS...But we are getting 4 Saab n 4 Chinees Made AWACS

Ur brothers were saying that we cant buy frigates...we bough F22, Michnary from USA.

Ur brothers were saying we cant test missiles...but we are doing.

Now Lets talk abt Type-54, its on discussion board....n we hav budget of abt 500 Million $ for new frigates.
Pakistan only have the prob for u is that Pakistan dont announce openly.

Its only India who likes to shout for every bullet they make otherwise no other country likes to disclose what they are doing. We never knew about Ra'ad unless it was a realtiy, we never knew about JFT until it took its first flight and so was the case for AWACS. Sometimes when we do not hear news from Pakistan we feel as if we are passive but its a fact we more concerned about our defence than India because we face greater threat from India than India feels from us.

Anyway, Pakistan has tons of natural reserves and every thinkable wealth a country may need to prosper.. No matter how up or down our economy went, we always got what we needed. For the larger frigates, I have no doubts that if we need them, we will have them.

 

[truthseeker2010]

which would be more suitable for PN 054 or 054A?

this might be off topic: I have seen that Indian Naval combatants have anti-submarine rocket launchers mostly RBU-6000, what is the allied equivalent of this, and are they really effective given a range of just 6 km, why would submarine come so close?