4 Soldiers Martyred while 2 terrorists killed & 1 arrested in Tank , KP , Pakistan - Dec 2021 .

[Tornado23]

What 11 Indians were martyred???

Indian army is having the best time of its life in IOK right now

Same with Iran who are in much control of their insurgencies unlike Pakistan who are getting its soldiers killed daily

Kashmir is heating up recently. There has been an attack on police or mil personnel almost everyday since the past week or so

 

[A.M.]

Haven't posted here in a very long time largely because of the disappointment and embarrassment this has become.

We couldn't operate fully before because of US presence in AFG, what's the issue now? What's stopping us from going in and creating a buffer or lighting up the border? What use are our fleet of combat drones or these fancy fighter jets ppl keep getting excited about?

Absolute embarrassment and shameful display by a constantly weak establishment.

 

[Areesh]

SriLanka simply massacred Tamils and problem solved . We cannot do the same . It will flame the insurgency not kill it.
By the way LTTE is very much alive and ready to regroup.

India defeated Kashmiris ??? Yet again you toe enemy’s line .


Sikh insurgency is not dead at all.
You don’t get my point. Even Americans refrained from carpet bombing villages to kill insurgents. Srilankans had no problem doing it.

My point was that no army has ever managed to defeat insurgency in face to face war. Eradicating the entire population like StiLanka is not an option.

Sikh insurgency never ended …. In the end it was a political compromise that made them go underground and lay down their arms and that’s exactly what I am advocating .

Sri Lankans might have nuked LTTE

The thing is they successfully defeated militancy unlike Pakistani military

India has pretty much defeated kashmiri militancy. For you this might be toeing enemy line but this is a reality

Sikh militancy is dead. Some stupid protest in UK or Canada doesn't hurt India

First step in rectifying your mistakes is to accept those mistakes. Apparently you don't even want to accept those mistakes or blunders in the first place let alone rectifying them

Kashmir is heating up recently. There has been an attack on police or mil personnel almost everyday since the past week or so

Oh come on

Some stupid gun attack on kashmiri police doesn't hurt India even a tiny bit

Indian army casualties are at an all time low in kashmir in contrast to Pakistan army who is losing soldiers almost daily

 

[Battlion25]

Sri Lankans might have nuked LTTE
India has pretty much defeated kashmiri militancy. For you this might be toeing enemy line but this is a reality

I have always thought you were suspicious but this proves me right.. Ground reality says something else and there is an encounter reported every other day unless you are not following ofcourse

 

[Areesh]

I have always thought you were suspicious but this proves me right.. Ground reality says something else and there is an encounter reported every other day unless you are not following ofcourse

An encounter daily where only Kashmiris are dying mostly

It is like a duck shoot for Indian army

 

[MilSpec]

They are happy on the sacrifices of poor soldiers while sitting in US UK with there kids , they want pak army to keep fighting, these scumbags don’t know no country on this earth has the capability to fight gorilla wars , just look at the US NATO how they been defeated by handful talibans in Afghanistan

Gorilla nahi Guerrilla

 

[Tornado23]

Sri Lankans might have nuked LTTE

The thing is they successfully defeated militancy unlike Pakistani military

India has pretty much defeated kashmiri militancy. For you this might be toeing enemy line but this is a reality

Sikh militancy is dead. Some stupid protest in UK or Canada doesn't hurt India

First step in rectifying your mistakes is to accept those mistakes. Apparently you don't even want to accept those mistakes or blunders in the first place let alone rectifying them


Oh come on

Some stupid gun attack on kashmiri police doesn't hurt India even a tiny bit

Indian army casualties are at an all time low in kashmir in contrast to Pakistan army who is losing soldiers almost daily

You havent been following the news in Kashmir then.

Also how has the army failed to curb militancy? The point of these operations is not just to stop attacks on army or SF personnel. It was to stop attacks om civillians. How many civillians have been martryed in the past week due to terrorist attacks compared to a week in 2009?

Militancy has been pushed to the borders. The army is supposed to take the hits and give out the hits to protect the civillians. Thats war.

 

[FuturePAF]

Talks are not the problem, it’s finding a mechanism that will force the TTP and other miscreants to stop fighting permanently and resolve their issues with the government in a democratic way; one that requires the consent of the people that live with these people in the Former FATA. Protecting the tribal elders and power brokers in the area so they can uphold the writ of the state is fundamental to rule of law.

If these miscreants are going to use force as a bargaining technique, the PA and FC need full spectrum superiority to dominate these groups and limit their ability to use violence. The state needs to be strong enough to have a monopoly on violence and as well as uphold the law and only operate within it as to not violate anyone’s rights and cause grievances. This is why the military needs to build up in these kinds of areas but also do talks with groups that are willing to stick to a deal.

Many of these TTP factions may engage in talks if only to buy time. Preventing them from doing business as usual to put pressure on them across the board has to be explored. The lives of the soldiers should be protected as well while this process is going on. They need MRAPs and proper FORTs. Putting down the TTP rebellion maybe a multigenerational struggle, and during that time we need to better protect the troops.

The PA also needs the means to use non-lethal means like Acostic hailing devices to dissuade people from tearing down the fence. But in the end that is an issue that will need to be resolved through dialogue with the new Afghan regime.

If Democratically accepted, KPK could be made into smaller provinces and each area could have laws the people want, so that people’s Democratic demands are addressed, if the majority wishes to live a certain way, within the limits of the Pakistani constitution and while upholding fundamental rights.

 

[jk007]

Please name any country where the armies “crushed “ local insurgencies.

Hell ever ruthless countries like India and Iran are not able to contain home grown insurgencies.

India did that with militancy in punjab. UK in Ireland etc...

 

[Areesh]

You havent been following the news in Kashmir then.

Also how has the army failed to curb militancy? The point of these operations is not just to stop attacks on army or SF personnel. It was to stop attacks om civillians. How many civillians have been martryed in the past week due to terrorist attacks compared to a week in 2009?

Militancy has been pushed to the borders. The army is supposed to take the hits and give out the hits to protect the civillians. Thats war.

Civilians are not dying because TTP itself has focused itself on attacks on security forces. That is no success for a military that is daily getting its soldiers killed

As for kashmir how many Indian soldiers died in IOK in past 10 days? Just answer this

 

[Flight of falcon]

Haven't posted here in a very long time largely because of the disappointment and embarrassment this has become.

We couldn't operate fully before because of US presence in AFG, what's the issue now? What's stopping us from going in and creating a buffer or lighting up the border? What use are our fleet of combat drones or these fancy fighter jets ppl keep getting excited about?

Absolute embarrassment and shameful display by a constantly weak establishment.

If you ever get out of your video game world you may realize that we dont have the resources, man power, fire power and political stability to seal the borders and create fictitious neutral zones ……

Did NATO and US was able to do that which you expect from our ill equipped and under resourced country to do?

basically you are asking toforget TTP and pick fight with Talibans ….

Civilians are not dying because TTP itself has focused itself on attacks on security forces. That is no success for a military that is daily getting its soldiers killed

As for kashmir how many Indian soldiers died in IOK in past 10 days? Just answer this

Again you are speaking for the enemy ….. they never reveal their true losses .



This is from 7 hours ago:

Six rebels, Indian soldier killed in Kashmir: Police

Kashmiri rebels have been fighting Indian forces for more than 30 years, demanding freedom or merger with Pakistan.

www.google.ca

how can you even compare landlocked Kashmir under 600000 Indian soldiers to Pak Afghan border….. you are stretching your imagination too far …

Indian-administered Kashmir: Soldiers killed by suspected militants

The army in Indian-administered Kashmir says five personnel were killed by suspected militants.

www.google.ca

 

[Riz]

Wait aren't those the same people who are sending remittance to Pakistan every year which is going higher & higher

Pakistan gets record $8bn remittances in July-Sept

Few million

Govt intends to increase exports up to $40 bn during FY 2021-22

ISLAMABAD: The government plans to increase exports of Pakistan’s made-ups ranging from $38.7 billion to $40 billion during the current financial year 2021-22 with a claim it will focus upon...

www.thenews.com.pk

200 Million

So lets not go into blame game.

Now if you look at the chest-thumping going on Pakistan has already won against TTP and everyone. So if All these areas are cleared out why there is a need for Talks. The majority of the area was cleared out by it left a very big hole at the economical level for people moving back, Do you know how TTP started just a gang of criminals if a state with 700K standing soldiers with advanced enough weapon systems cant defeat a rag-tag militia group than there is something wrong somewhere with system and the military itself.
If they cant defeat these groups how will they defeat Indian? isn't that a reasonable question to ask?

The NATO US couldn't defeat a handful of Taliban do any one of us actually know what were the goals? If Ttrillions were invested in Afghanistan where did that money go? back to contracts ( Companies ) in the US so its really hard to sort compare. The Whole system was built with corruption in mind so let's not compare, Also Pakistan is fighting internal enemies & few sitting right next door, Not on the other side of the globe for someone else.
These things directly affect Pakistan daily. Uncle Sam can still drone daily whoever they want in Afghanistan and no one will be able to jack about it.


Let's say if Magically Pakistan eliminates all members of TTP clear outs all other religious groups, & somehow have a real peaceful resolution with India in regards to Kashmir what will happen to all the funding which goes to the Military? No funding means what? less new weapons system will have to lower the numbers of active troops list goes on and own.

Pakistan has been at war with these groups directly or indirectly for decades this is not something new. But why you haven't seen any changes in being implemented by the state to fix this problem, limiting who can acquire weapons in Pakistan, going against the supplier's dealer, Why Because these groups are barging chips for people in power, politicians & military top brass.

No one has any issues with Jawans are who are scarifisng life for the safety of others Problem lies with Generals are busy filling pockets for themselves

mind answering one thing if expats don't have the right to say anything than WHY CHILDERN OF THESE GENERALS & POLTICIANS LIVE OUTSIDE OF PAKISTAN ?

Are you ready to scarify your son for 28 billion dollars ? Bolo ?

SriLanka simply massacred Tamils and problem solved . We cannot do the same . It will flame the insurgency not kill it.
By the way LTTE is very much alive and ready to regroup.

India defeated Kashmiris ??? Yet again you toe enemy’s line .


Sikh insurgency is not dead at all.
You don’t get my point. Even Americans refrained from carpet bombing villages to kill insurgents. Srilankans had no problem doing it.

My point was that no army has ever managed to defeat insurgency in face to face war. Eradicating the entire population like StiLanka is not an option.

Sikh insurgency never ended …. In the end it was a political compromise that made them go underground and lay down their arms and that’s exactly what I am advocating .

Sirilanka dont share border with a lawless country like Afghanistan. You killed one hundred another thousand will come from nowhere

 

[IceCold]

It reflects poorly on our training and equipment. May Allah SWT accept their sacrifice.

 

[Riz]

Gorilla nahi Guerrilla

Han wahi godzilla

 

[Darth Vader]

Are you ready to scarify your son for 28 billion dollars ? Bolo ?

What you on about?