4 Reasons China Can Fight a Modern War

[sicsheep]

the problem is, nobody is doubting that China can fight a modern war, lol, you can go back and fight in 2nd generation warfare or even 1st generation with Warships, tanks and Machinegun, but those are the key that modern warfare lies.

And you cannot completely negate all other aspect simply becuase your force is not good at it.

Each force, even the US armed force have its own good and bad, and the important quality to fight a war is not to say you cant discount us because we are good at this, even Sun Tsu said, learn ones own weakness is far more important than knowing your enemy weakness. The moment any commander say they will win the war because they are good at something and something, he had already lost, becuase a good commander need not only to exploit your enemy weakness, but knowing the limit for themselves.and knowing what you can or cannot do is far more important...

OK, There is no argument US is writing every text book on modern warfare. but if USA is a professor, then China is like the best student in the class, Every US operation that is public is studied to the death by PLA, like a student trying to out think the teacher at every turn.

just like in Korea, the PLA went in with the no expectation for friendly air support, US had daily recon sorties near the Yalu River and the North but still let PLA achieved a surprise attack. It's US that always underestimate China.

The fact is US is so powerful, most of its commanders has only one tactic in their book, Shock and awe, with overwhelming firepower, that's gotta send them running after the first wave like the Iraqis.

"Through these past 50 years the Chinese people have thus become militarized in their concepts and in their ideals. They now constitute excellent soldiers, with competent staffs and commanders. This has produced a new and dominant power in Asia"

-----“Old Soldiers Never Die” speech, MacArthur

 

[jhungary]

reminds me about the Battle of Yalu River,in fact about both Sino-Japanese Wars.May I remind you,same kind of approach was taken in the past,say 125 years ago from now,and in both occasion,Japan handed over China a sweet defeat.

From my point of view,Experience is most important part of a War,even more than equipments.reminds me about Winter and Continuation war,hopelessly inferior Finland fought a battle that stunned SU,their brute force failed to win that small nation,mainly because of Stalin's purge left most of the lower level soldiers of SU inexperienced,while Fins showed excellent knowledge of local geography and tactical superiority and experience,mounted staggering casualties on SU.

@jhungary ,please educate them with some more examples..

by the way,your rant about "I don't need your advice" kind of comment doesn't required.I simply expressed my view.

lol, as far as Chinese member concern, my experience and story were all about mopping floor, maybe i can still use mopping floor as an example to show how experience is important, i mean, if you had a kind of hard to remove stain on the floor, the previous experience will give you the know how and insight on how to remove similar stain...lol

Well, knowing this, what happened in Roman era or Napoleon era still happened today, that show you how experience matter.

By the way, Finish fought SSR in both winter war and continuation war were largerly model over Roman campaign in Germany.

 

[sicsheep]

reminds me about the Battle of Yalu River,in fact about both Sino-Japanese Wars.May I remind you,same kind of approach was taken in the past,say 125 years ago from now,and in both occasion,Japan handed over China a sweet defeat.

From my point of view,Experience is most important part of a War,even more than equipments.reminds me about Winter war and Continuation war,hopelessly inferior Finland fought a battle that stunned SU,their brute force failed to win that small nation,mainly because of Stalin's purge left most of the lower level soldiers of SU inexperienced,while Fins showed excellent knowledge of local geography and tactical superiority and experience,mounted staggering casualties on SU.

@jhungary ,please educate them with some more examples..

by the way,your rant about "I don't need your advice" kind of comment doesn't required.I simply expressed my view.

LOL ok, I can give you more example,
the Wehrmacht was the most experienced fighting force on earth when Allies landed in Normandy. Did they win?
The Iraqi army had been fighting Iran for 8 years before they invaded Kuwait, while US last major war was Vietnam. Who won?

For every one you come up that says experience matters, I can give you 5 that tells otherwise, where numbers, location, firepower, and leadership can alll trump experience. I am not saying experience doesn't matter, but its just one of many many factors.

BTW, hows 1962 for a sweet defeat handed to you huh? you definitely still remember that one.

 

[rott]

lol, as far as Chinese member concern, my experience and story were all about mopping floor, maybe i can still use mopping floor as an example to show how experience is important, i mean, if you had a kind of hard to remove stain on the floor, the previous experience will give you the know how and insight on how to remove similar stain...lol

Well, knowing this, what happened in Roman era or Napoleon era still happened today, that show you how experience matter.

By the way, Finish fought SSR in both winter war and continuation war were largerly model over Roman campaign in Germany.

Now share your toilet cleaning experience as well.

 

[jhungary]

OK, There is no argument US is writing every text book on modern warfare. but if USA is a professor, then China is like the best student in the class, Every US operation that is public is studied to the death by PLA, like a student trying to out think the teacher at every turn.

just like in Korea, the PLA went in with the no expectation for friendly air support, US had daily recon sorties near the Yalu River and the North but still let PLA achieved a surprise attack. It's US that always underestimate China.

The fact is US is so powerful, most of its commanders has only one tactic in their book, Shock and awe, with overwhelming firepower, that's gotta send them running after the first wave like the Iraqis.

"Through these past 50 years the Chinese people have thus become militarized in their concepts and in their ideals. They now constitute excellent soldiers, with competent staffs and commanders. This has produced a new and dominant power in Asia"

-----“Old Soldiers Never Die” speech, MacArthur

dude, i say again, i have no problem about China conducting Modern Warfare, the only problem I have is with the article you posted, that Macau dude is talking trash....

You cannot use what work with US and copy them directly to China, or vice versa, otherwise we all fought the same way and the country have the most tank, soldier will win.

How to fight modern warfare is not defined by the advantage of ur own troop, it is a collection of things, not just putting out some point and say yes, we are good at them, so please dont underestimate us... That why the author say despite all his point, winning a war for China would be a completely different issue. If that is the case, why do he wrote this in the first place, set aside his view is correct or not.

LOL ok, I can give you more example,
the Wehrmacht was the most experienced fighting force on earth when Allies landed in Normandy. Did they win?
The Iraqi army had been fighting Iran for 8 years before they invaded Kuwait, while US last major war was Vietnam. Who won?

For every one you come up that says experience matters, I can give you 5 that tells otherwise, where numbers, location, firepower, and leadership can alll trump experience. I am not saying experience doesn't matter, but its just one of many many factors.

BTW, hows 1962 for a sweet defeat handed to you huh? you definitely still remember that one.

the better question is did Iraq win in the Iraq - Iran War...
Experience is important, but thats only you learn the positive of it.

You can say the Nazi wasted resource and man power to attack stalingrad, they know that is the reason the whole eastern front being bogged down, they lost that battle and the eastern front, only to repeat the same mistake by sieging Bastone in Belgum? Which eat away his own panzer momentum?

Now share your toilet cleaning experience as well.

dude, dont joke, cleaning toilet is an art.

 

[ravi kiran]

LOL ok, I can give you more example,
the Wehrmacht was the most experienced fighting force on earth when Allies landed in Normandy. Did they win?
The Iraqi army had been fighting Iran for 8 years before they invaded Kuwait, while US last major war was Vietnam. Who won?

For every one you come up that says experience matters, I can give you 5 that tells otherwise, where numbers, location, firepower, and leadership can alll trump experience. I am not saying experience doesn't matter, but its just one of many many factors.

BTW, hows 1962 for a sweet defeat handed to you huh? you definitely still remember that one.

It's true you gained early victories in 1962 but result was unilateral ceasefire by Chinese without any major territorial gain.we still control AP so how can you claim you won 1962 war?

 

[sicsheep]

It's true you gained early victories in 1962 but result was unilateral ceasefire by Chinese without any major territorial gain.we still control AP so how can you claim you won 1962 war?

LOL because our objective is not to gain territory, but to stop Indian incursions further into ours. you think our objective was to invade India? and the whole point of the withdraw was to let India know our intentions.

What did India government tell you lol? we ran out of bullets?

 

[ravi kiran]

LOL because our objective is not to gain territory, but to stop Indian incursions further into ours. you think our objective was to invade India? and the whole point of the withdraw was to let India know our intentions.

What did India government tell you lol? we ran out of bullets?

I don't know about your objectives. But truth is we refused to ceasefire and we were ready to escalate war but god knows why Chinese withdrew behind macmohan line.and declared unilateral ceasefire.

 

[sicsheep]

I don't know about your objectives. But truth is we refused to ceasefire and we were ready to escalate war but god knows why Chinese withdrew behind macmohan line.and declared unilateral ceasefire.

Since you refused the ceasefire, why did you stop fighting? you could have pressed on after we withdrew? your generals couldnt find China on the map? LOL why not at least take back Aksai Chin?

 

[JSCh]

Similarly, China can also fight a nuclear war.
Whether China can win or not is another question.
But China is most certainly capable of carrying it out.
Doubt it at your own peril.

 

[ravi kiran]

Since you refused the ceasefire, why did you stop fighting? you could have pressed on after we withdrew? your generals couldnt find China on the map? LOL why not at least take back Aksai Chin?

Lol why getting so defensive? Is it so hard to accept facts? Fact is result of 1962 war was unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal of Chinese. You are height of CCP brainwashing. Lol.

 

[sicsheep]

Lol why getting so defensive? Is it so hard to accept facts? Fact is result of 1962 war was unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal of Chinese. You are height of CCP brainwashing. Lol.

haha, you are the one who cant accept the fact you lost in 1962, why not answer my question? why not take back Aksai Chin? it was suppose to be "forward policy", not backward LOL, I am brainwashed, please help me understand.

 

[Brainsucker]

dude, dont joke, cleaning toilet is an art.

Excelent answer! This dude is surely know what to do to his toilet! I give my thanks to his post!

 

[gambit]

This...

Third, military experience is overvalued. Many question the PLA’s ability to fight because it has not fought a real war for about 30 years. The U.S. military, in the meantime, has fought at least three major wars since the end of the Cold War. The PLA, thus, has a “peace disease.” But people have overestimated the value of experience. Yes, it is true that the U.S. military has ample experience, but many other militaries do not, including Japan’s. So China’s lack of war experience might hurt its chances of winning against the U.S., but not necessarily against other rivals. Modern militaries can learn and adapt quickly too. The PLA might suffer early setbacks once a war starts, but the final outcome will more likely depend on comprehensive capabilities and strategy.

...Rendered the article a 'dumbass' article, with all due respect to Mr. Dingding, who is apparently a person of respect at the University of Macau.

Experience does not guarantee success/victory, but what experience does guarantee is increased options when faced with unexpected and/or new obstacles.

...China’s lack of war experience might hurt its chances of winning against the U.S., but not necessarily against other rivals.

When there are two inexperienced armies fighting against each other, other factors will come into prominence, such as technology, terrain/geographical advantages, political alliances, training, and/or even fortunes from the weather. What inexperience often, if not usually, does is to delay the exploitation of those factors, or worse -- blind the army of their advantages. China's lack of combat experience might hurt the PLA's chances of winning against the US ? No...Said lack of combat experience WILL hurt the PLA's chance (singular) of winning against the US. There is no 'might' about it. Not only does the US have so much more combat experience, the US military also enjoys at least one -- but more like two -- generation of technological advances. Then compound this with an all-volunteer force that not only is reasonably educated prior to service but received additional focused and specialized training after entry into service. Finally, put all these factors into the hands of the world's most capable military NCO corps and the odds of winning against the US military is all but assured to be -- ZILCH0.

Fine...I will be generous and say: 1 %.

The PLA against non-US rivals ? It depends on who. Against Japan ? Not likely the PLA will win, unless China is willing to be sacrificial of her men and revisit the tried-and-trued human wave tactic. That is one factor that China does have ample experience in, and also the easiest to exploit. Below actual combat experience is quality of training and the Japanese is a high beneficiary of US military combat experience and training. While the PLA is nominally a 'military' under that general label, what actual 'military stuff' does the PLA have over the JSDF when for most of the PLA's existence it have been used primarily for domestic pacification, whereas the JSDF have often sent its forces into UN sanctioned missions ? If anything, despite the JSDF being smaller in size from the PLA, the JSDF have the greater vision than the PLA on what is a true professional military. Institutional memory about warfare ? The JSDF have the advantage over the PLA on this factor as well. When the Chinese were struggling with firearms, the Japanese defeated the Russian Navy and built some of the world's best air fighters. Despite being defeated, the Japanese military remained essentially unbroken in lineage whereas the PLA was essentially cobbled together and built up from a force of guerrilla fighters at the end of WW II.

Overall, Mr. Dingding's article is so general in scope that it might as well be 1mm next to worthless in helping a serious student of military affairs.

 

[ravi kiran]

haha, you are the one who cant accept the fact you lost in 1962, why not answer my question? why not take back Aksai Chin? it was suppose to be "forward policy", not backward LOL, I am brainwashed, please help me understand.

in 1962 both nations claimed aksai chin and AP but aksai chin was in chinese control and AP was in Indian control. today also situation is same despite of war. so tell me brainwashed CCP kid what you won in 1962?
as i told you result of 1962 war was unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal of Chinese. You really are height of CCP brainwashing. Lol.