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113BC, empire of Han set out his army, then for the long 1182years from 111BC, this part of SO CALLED robbed land was undercontrol by China, yes boy, that's 12 centuries! Since the Han Dynasty established the county Jiaozhi and the state Jiaozhou in the region of Vietnam, the words"Jiaozhou"then became the pronoun of ancient Vietnam gradually.
you can't read your history, as they are written by Chinese Characters. You call yourselves "Descendants of the Dragon", but now you rather like a snake. look at your accent building, on all the Building Board and Yinglian, which kind of languages are they marked with? Only Jiaozhi and Korean has the “The Imperial Civil Examination System”,its copied from China, and you used the same China ancient books as your philosophy.
To my opinion, Vietnam is like a elope daughter, claim a large dowry from her family without shame! those islands are not belong to you by no means! You are blind for illiteracy, the composes bastard word and language did no goods to you, your culture is broken and hate China stupidly.
When US beat you down, you turn to China and cry for help, when you recovered, you backbite the country helped you and got a good lesson again. Don't tell me how cruel the PLA was, when we were poor but still poured so many resources to you, the payback from you are bullets and the defense made by our rice bags, when we known how wild you've treated our captures, you deserved it.
and now your former anime US became your new master, haha, dear you make trouble to China, you are always so near and small, but we are stronger.

You are serious mistakes, but I know it is because of the CCP propaganda.
Please read a few paragraphs about Vietnam from Wikipedia:

History of Vietnam:
The history of Vietnam is one of the longest continuous histories in the world, with the oldest archaeological findings showing that people have been living there as far back as over a half million years ago.[1] Ancient Vietnam was home to some of the world's earliest civilizations, with a cultural history of over 20,000 years - making them one of the world's first peoples who practiced agriculture.[2][3] The Red River valley forms a natural geographic and economic unit, bounded to the north and west by mountains and jungles, to the east by the sea and to the south by the Red River Delta. The needs to have a single authority to prevent floods of the Red River, cooperation in constructing hydraulic systems, trade exchange, and fight against invaders, led to the creation of the first Vietnamese states in 2879 BC.[4] The first truly influential part of history in Vietnam occurred during the Bronze Age, when the Đông Sơn culture was in Vietnam, dramatically advancing their level of civilization. Vietnam's peculiar geography made it a difficult country to attack, which is why Vietnam under Hùng Vương was for so long an independent and self-contained state. The Âns and Qins were among the earliest foreign aggressions of Vietnam, but the ancient Vietnamese regained control of their country soon after their invasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam

Vietnam Navy:
In Lý-Trần Dynasty era, the problems of construction the naval base, set up the naval forces were in place. Specially, the Van Don port has an important role to protect the northeast sea of Vietnam. In 1077, the Vietnamese Navy fought the Battle of Cầu River against the Chinese Song Dynasty forces. This was the final battle China's Song Dynasty would fight on Vietnamese land or waters. The battle lasted for several months, and ended with the victory of the Vietnamese Navy and the loss of many Song's (Chinese) sailors. This victory demonstrated the successful tactics of war and active defense of the famous Admiral Lý Thường Kiệt who faced a naval force several times larger than his own.[2] The Song Dynasty lost a total of 80,000 soldiers/sailors and 5,19 million ounces of gold, including all costs of the war.[3]
The largest battles (officially recorded in history) were three naval battles (all three are called Battle of Bạch Đằng): Ngô Quyền against the Chinese Southern Han forces in 938 (killed over 100,000 and captured a thousands Chinese sailors, killed Chinese Prince Liu Hongcao);[4] Lê Hoàn against Song Dynasty in 981; and Trần Quốc Tuấn against Yuan Dynasty (Mongol) in 1288 (killed over 80,000 Yuan Mongol sailors, destroyed more than 400 Yuan ships, killed Sogetu, and captured Yuan Admiral Omar).[5]
One of the greatest victories in Vietnamese Naval history was the Battle of Rạch Gầm-Xoài Mút in Tay Son dynasty, during which Nguyễn Huệ (Emperor Quang Trung) defeated the Siamese (Thai) naval force. The battle occurred in present-day Tiền Giang Province on January 19, 1785. Nguyễn Huệ's forces completely destroyed over 50,000 Siamese sailors and 300 warships

About China's help, I have said many times, see here:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/188449-vietnams-su-27s-mount-first-spratly-patrols-phu-cat-6.html#post3086659




Oh poor vietnam , what happen to the so called powerful vietnam army :rofl: why wait until we collapsed if you are such powerful country hahaha



Yes we not only ram we will shoot all illegal viet fishermen too forgot we make fish food of 22 viets in 1988 already?



yes we did so ask your pathetic spineless government do something about it instead of crying like a baby here and there:lol:



yes i agreed is it not accidental is it deliberate next time we will shoot on sight if we see illegal viets in our water



wrong we didnt try to cover it up we even make a few youtube vedeo and boast about it want me to post the clip where we sunk your ships?



yes very true we will continue harass , bully and abuse vietnam but dont blame us , blame your coward spineless people that make your country so poor and weak



Vietnam is on our back list for ungrateful , cheat, thief,and shameless

We will continue waiting for the opportunity when China collapse and was divided into pieces...
 
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butting on fishing boat and killing innocent peoples, isn't justify in any case under rule of law world wide accepted. You can stop clean stinky @ of aggressive chinese.

No body said anything dont lie, if anything america is laughing their heads off and congrats our navy for their bravery

The topic of fishermen boat sank.
As I said, no proof except what fishermen who survivors saw.
They are the witnesses.



I'm serious discussion to find answers from Chinese.

serious debate with low educated viet trolls here ? are you mad ? we dont discuss anything with vietnam we just tell you what to do and you will listen is the only outcome
 
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No body said anything dont lie, if anything america is laughing their heads off and congrats our navy for their bravery



serious debate with low educated viet trolls here ? are you mad ? we dont discuss anything with vietnam we just tell you what to do and you will listen is the only outcome

We have solidarity to fight against the greedy bully in SCS.
Vietnam-Philippines will stand together.
 
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113BC, empire of Han set out his army, then for the long 1182years from 111BC, this part of SO CALLED robbed land was undercontrol by China, yes boy, that's 12 centuries! Since the Han Dynasty established the county Jiaozhi and the state Jiaozhou in the region of Vietnam, the words"Jiaozhou"then became the pronoun of ancient Vietnam gradually.
you can't read your history, as they are written by Chinese Characters. You call yourselves "Descendants of the Dragon", but now you rather like a snake. look at your accent building, on all the Building Board and Yinglian, which kind of languages are they marked with? Only Jiaozhi and Korean has the “The Imperial Civil Examination System”,its copied from China, and you used the same China ancient books as your philosophy.
To my opinion, Vietnam is like a elope daughter, claim a large dowry from her family without shame! those islands are not belong to you by no means! You are blind for illiteracy, the composes bastard word and language did no goods to you, your culture is broken and hate China stupidly.
When US beat you down, you turn to China and cry for help, when you recovered, you backbite the country helped you and got a good lesson again. Don't tell me how cruel the PLA was, when we were poor but still poured so many resources to you, the payback from you are bullets and the defense made by our rice bags, when we known how wild you've treated our captures, you deserved it.
and now your former anime US became your new master, haha, dear you make trouble to China, you are always so near and small, but we are stronger.


You are brain washed Chinese guy arrogant and idiot.
In our history, Chinese invaded in Vietnam and we followed non stop resistance with countless uprising to pushed invaders out from Vietnam and regained our independence. It’s history of Vietnam with China.
Vietnamese used Latin Alphabet to writing from 15th century with help of Portugal Christine missionaries.
In time of cold war, socialist pack with 12 socialist countries, headed by Soviet Union helped Vietnam, china is one member of socialist pack only. The biggest help is from Soviet Union, not from China.
From 1968 China stopped help to Vietnam to get favor from US to establish diplomacy with US and join to UN. 1972 US air force used B52 Bombardiers attacked Hanoi, Haiphong and all big cities in Vietnam. !974 China robbed Hoangsa Islands of Vietnam. !975 Vietcong has taken power in Saigon, but media in china was almost silent, only small news in Ren Min re pao.
It’s true face of China. China is big boy but bad boy.
 
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You are brain washed Chinese guy arrogant and idiot.
how to prove you are not?

In our history, Chinese invaded in Vietnam and we followed non stop resistance with countless uprising to pushed invaders out from Vietnam and regained our independence. It’s history of Vietnam with China.
when you are part of China, how came the "invaded"? invaded for 12 centuries? Good one!

Vietnamese used Latin Alphabet to writing from 15th century with help of Portugal Christine missionaries.
ok, show me some thing old enough and lot enough to prove this so called language is the chief one, instead of Chinese Language!

In time of cold war, socialist pack with 12 socialist countries, headed by Soviet Union helped Vietnam, china is one member of socialist pack only. The biggest help is from Soviet Union, not from China.
USSR had a short life, it's a young country, only emerged and united into one power for several hundred years. Many kingdoms, emporias came and gone, only China survived since the history. you used to be a part of the glory, but no longer do.

From 1968 China stopped help to Vietnam to get favor from US to establish diplomacy with US and join to UN. 1972 US air force used B52 Bombardiers attacked Hanoi, Haiphong and all big cities in Vietnam. !974 China robbed Hoangsa Islands of Vietnam. !975 Vietcong has taken power in Saigon, but media in china was almost silent, only small news in Ren Min re pao.
It’s true face of China.
stopped help--so you admit we helped, right? Tell me why we stopped the help?
If all the fighting field in your area, and by this you draw a conclusion that China is the loser, maybe it's better to have your brain get some wash, and make it more clear.

China is big boy but bad boy.
LOL, if a 5000 year old country is a boy, then you shall be just an egg.
 
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Why Filipinos grant those pieces of islands theirs?

In the 1700's philippine map(Carta Hydrographical y Chorographical De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde, S.J. and
published in 1734)clearly state that Scarborough shoal was already part of zambales province, under effective control of the
Spanish in the Philippines back then.

Treaty of Paris

"According to Del Rosario, a map prepared by the US Armed Forces in 1903 was given to him during his last visit to Washington.

The map included Panatag Shoal as part of the island groups of the Philippines, contrary to China’s claim that it is not included in the Philippine boundaries under the Treaty of Paris."

DFA chief calls for patriotism - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

We have exercised sovereignty and jurisdiction since our independence. We have a lighthouse there since 1957. Control of the
area which is effected by frequent patrols as allowed by our small fleet of boats and policing of these
waters for decades without protest from any other country claimants, including arrests of both Chinese and Vietnamese
fishermen illegally fishing in Philippine jurisdiction or using illegal fishing methods in our waters



The RULE IS "First come first served!"

We came first, China last. The Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before
its aboriginal inhabitants.


Intelligent ancient Chinese people started to use this large piece of land and grand ocean area than other people did,
that's the reason why,

Writing Out The Non-Han - South China Sea
China’s aggressive policies vis-a-vis the South China Sea are based on selective history

The conflict between the Philippines and China over the Scarborough Shoal may appear at first sight a minor dispute over an uninhabitable rock and surrounding shallow waters. But it is hugely important because it encapsulates China’s assumption that the histories of the non-Han peoples whose lands border two-thirds of the waters known in English as the South China Sea are irrelevant.

The Philippine case over Scarborough has been mostly presented as one of geography. The feature is 135 nautical miles from Luzon, the main Philippine island, and roughly 350 miles from the mainland of China and 300 miles from the tip of Taiwan. It is thus also well within the Philippines’ Exclusive Economic Zone.

China leapfrogs these inconvenient geographical truths to come up with justifications of its claims which can be applied to the whole South China Sea and thus justify the dotted line on map which vaguely defines them. This line has never been precisely delineated but comes well within the 200-mile limits of all the other countries, and close to Indonesia’s gas-rich Natuna islands.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...hina-leapfrogs

In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, its historical justification is that this rock and surrounding shallow water is mentioned in a Chinese map of the 13th century when China itself was under alien –Mongol – rule. The fact that a vessel from China had visited the shoal and recorded its existence has thus become one basis for its claim. Very similar pieces of history are trotted out to justify claims to other islands visited by ships from China. Likewise, China’s assumption of hegemony is often based on the fact that foreign merchant ships had to pay taxes to trade with China.

History, however, shows that Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea, let alone to onward trade to the Indian Ocean. The seagoing history of the region, at least for the first millennium of the current era, was dominated by the ancestors of today’s Indonesians, Malays, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese. Thus, as China’s own records reveal, when the 4th century Buddhist pilgrim Fa Hsien, went to Sri Lanka, he travelled from China to Sumatra and then on to Sri Lanka in Malay ships.

This was not the least surprising given that during this era of sea-going prowess, people from Indonesia were the first colonisers of the world’s third largest island, Madagascar, some 4,000 miles away. (The Madagascan language and 50% of its human gene pool are of Malay origin.) This was a thousand years before the much-vaunted voyages of Chinese admiral Zheng He in the 15th century.

Malay seagoing prowess was to be overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier seafarers in Southeast Asia until well into the era of European dominance of the region. Indeed, the Malay-speaking Hindu (like much of Southeast Asia at that time) mercantile state of central Vietnam dominated South China Sea trade until the 15th century. The 10th century Arab traveller and geographer al-Masudi made reference to the “Cham Sea”, and trade between Champa and Luzon was well established long before the Chinese drew their 13th century map. As Scarborough Shoal not only lies close to the Luzon coast but is on the direct route from Manila bay to the ancient Cham ports of Hoi An and Qui Nhon, it was known to the Malay sailors long ago.

All in all, the Chinese claim to have ‘been there first’ is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. But given China’s reluctance to acknowledge that Taiwan was Malay territory until the arrival of European conquerors, and then of a surge of settlers from the mainland, such refusal to acknowledge the rights of other peoples is not surprising.

At times, China itself seems to recognise the flimsy basis of some of its historical claims. In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, it backs up its position by reference to the Treaty of Paris 1898 concluding the Spanish-American war and yielding Spanish sovereignty over the Philippine archipelago to the US. This did not mention the shoal but described a series of straight lines drawn on the map which left the shoal a few miles outside the 116E longitude defined by the treaty.

Given that China rejects “unequal treaties” imposed by western colonialists, it is remarkable to find it relying on one between two foreign powers conducted without any reference to the inhabitants of the Philippines. Vietnam can equally well claim all the Spratly Islands as inheritor of French claims over them.

For sure, China has the power to impose its will. But its aggressive stance towards the Philippines, so often seen as an especially weak state, has alerted others, including Japan, Russia and India as well as the US, to its long-term goal which is not ownership of a few rocks but strategic control of the whole sea, a vital waterway between northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, the Gulf and Europe. The Scarborough Shoal is not just a petty dispute over some rocks. It is a wake-up call for many countries.


China government claimed the ownership of those area much earlier than other country,
that's the reason why!

Just because China decided to one day include the entire SCS as part of their maps they become the owner of waters long
controlled by other South East Asian countries like Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei??? ANSWER: NO!!!

We can observe another imaginative use of historical records. Xinhua for example, in its “Backgrounder: Basic facts on China’s
sovereignty over Huangyan Island”, cited first the argument of the astronomer Guo Shoujing alledgely selecting the Scarborough as an astronomical survey point (in 1279). Now knowing that the shoal is at more than 500 miles from Hainan, one may asks why Guo selected this place for his observations? Sure he must justify to his emperor why. In fact, if you dig further into the issue,
you will discover that there is no historical account by Guo, or by anyone in his team or administration, of Guo ever setting foot
on any rock of the Scarborough. No map, no expedition preparation, no report of the difficulties of maing observations on rocks. Either the ancient scientists were sloppy in their reports, or today’s Chinese scientists (a very few of them) have been
overzealous in interpreting history.

Even if, with a big stretch of imagination, we accept that an (Chinese) astronomer, under the commission a (Mongol)
administration, knew and use the Scarborough for some scientific purpose, it would not be a title of discovery, and certainly a
proof of sovereingty for TODAY’s China. We can ask ourselves why the next date cited by Xinhua for facts administrative Chinese acts on the shoal is 1935? What happens during the centuries in between? In summary, nothing before 1279 and suddenly this
very far away place (and dangerous for navigation) was “selected”, then forgotten for centuries… Really “undisputable proofs”?

The Philippines has indisputable sovereignty and jurisdiction over Scarborough shoal and China is
welcome to try to rebuke it in the courts any time. The philippines has already invited China a number of times to resolve the
dispute through arbitration by the international court, which China turned down repeatedly because they know themselves they'll lose.
 
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Found this:

A legal analysis in support of Vietnam's position regarding the Paracel & Spratlys

CHINA AND TAIWAN'S ARGUMENTS

As China and Taiwan share the same arguments about the Paracel and Spratly Islands, they can be presented together as
follows.

China was the first country to discover and occupy the Paracel and Spratly Islands as terra nullius
China asserted that it was the first country to find the archipelagos, and this discovery was made as early as the reign of Emperor Wǔof the Hàn Dynasty (2nd century BCE)10. This argument, however, is not backed up by official historical documents. On
this issue, Nguyễn Hồng Thao commented that “most of these documents are travel accounts, monographs, and navigation
books demonstrating knowledge of ancient people about territories belonging to not only China but also other countries”9.
Moreover, in these documents, the territories which China now claims to be the Paracels and Spratlys are named inconsistently,
thus there are no convincing arguments that those territories are really the Paracels and Spratlys5.

Moreover, the aforementioned assertion from China contradicts the encyclopedia Gǔjīn TúshūJichéng(古今圖書集成, Complete Atlas on the Past and Present) completed by the Qing Dynasty in 1706. None of the maps in Zhífāng Diăn(職方典, Dictionary of
Administrative Units) of this encyclopedia, including Zhífāng Zŏngbùtú(職方總部圖, General Map of the Administrative Units,
Number 1), Guăngdōng Jiāngyùtú (廣東疆域圖, Territorial Map of Guăngdōng, Number 157), and Qióngzhōufǔ Jiāngyùtú(琼州府疆域圖, Territorial Map of Qiongzhou Prefecture, Numer 167), indicate any archipelagos farther to the south than Hainan Island.
The islands depicted in Guăngdōng Tōngzhì (廣東通志, Annals of Guăngdōng), made during the reign of Emperor Jiājìng of the Ming Dynasty (1522–1567), also do not go beyond Qiongzhou (i.e. Hainan)11

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The finding of ancient money and goods dated back to the Wáng Măng (王莽) Era (9–23 CE) is also used as archaeological evidence by China to support the early presence of its fishermen in the archipelagos. However, even if these pieces of evidence are
valid, Chinese fishermen’s early presence was merely private/individual activities and thus cannot constitute an effective occupation by a State as required by international law.]

China also claims sovereignty over the archipelagos by asserting the following events:

The Sòng Dynasty (960–1127) sent its military patrols to the Paracel Islands’ area. This assertion is based on Wǔjīng Zŏngyào (武经总要, Military General Records) with a prologue written by Emperor Rénzōng5. However, according to
Monique Chemillier-Gendreau, this record merely indicates that there were geographical surveillance trips conducted by the
Chinese that went as far as the Indian Ocean, and that China knew of the Paracel Islands. The document, however, does not
demonstrate any possession.

- In the 13th century, emperors of the Yuán Dynasty ordered the astronomer GuōShŏujìng (郭守敬) to conduct astronomical observations in many areas, including the Paracel Islands. However, Guō’s observations, performed both inside and outside of China, were only astronomical research activities and thus could not legitimize any sovereignty status over the territories from which the observations were made.

- Wu Sheng (吳升), Guangdong navy’s rear-admiral, commanded a patrol to the Paracel Islands in 1710–1712. However, according to Monique Chemiller-Gendreau, this was in fact a patrol around Hainan Island and did not go as far as the Paracels.

- The local government of Guangdong opposed a German ship conducting research in the Spratly Islands in 1883. This opposition, however, was only a diplomatic action and did not have any legal status as China’s sovereignty had not been established9.

Therefore, historical evidence used by China to support its claim is insufficient and weak according to international law. These
pieces of evidence do not demonstrate any occupation, effective administration, or sovereignty12. As far as the effective
occupation of the Paracel and Spratly Islands as terra nullius without protests from other States are concerned, Viet Nam’s
arguments are stronger than those of China13.

China’s arguments regarding the period from early 20th century to 1945

It was not until the beginning of the 20th century that China showed any real efforts in occupying the Paracel Islands. In 1909, Admiral LǐZhǔn (李准) commanded a small-scale landing (over a period of 24 hours) in the Paracel Islands. His troops raised their flag and fired their guns to mark China’s sovereignty5 (which raises the question of why LǐZhǔn’s fleet acted as if this was the first time the islands were discovered despite China’s claim to have possessed them long before?)
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In 1921, the self-proclaimed Guăngzhou Military Government annexed the administration of the Paracel Islands to Yái (崖) District. This action did not meet any response as the Guăngzhou Military Government was not recognized by any countries in the world.
In 1937, Japan occupied the islands offshore of Indochina despite the opposition from the French authorities, renamed them to “Shinnan Shoto”, and put them under the jurisdiction of Kaohsiung (Taiwan), which China had ceded to Japan in the Treaty of Shimonoseki of 1895. Japan maintained its occupation in the South China Sea’s archipelagos throughout World War II.

In summary, with a limited effort in early 20th century to demonstrate its sovereignty in the Paracel Islands, China neither
actually and continuously occupied nor effectively established administration over the archipelago. At the same time, China had absolutely neither influence nor interest in the Spratly Islands and did not protest when Japan claimed and occupied them. In contrast, France was the only country to protest against Japan’s occupation of the Spratlys. An irrefutable evidence of China not
considering the Spratlys to be its territorry was China’s diplomatic note to France in September 1932 claiming that the Paracels
“form the southernmost part of Chinese territory”5.

China’s arguments regarding the period after 1945

After Japan’s surrender in 1945, it withdrew troops from mainland and all archipelagos of Indochina. France promptly restored its presence in the Paracel Islands in June 1946. In July 1947, the Republic of China sent its troops to Woody Island in the Paracels. In response, France opposed this illegal occupation and sent a military unit to the Paracel Islands to set up a garrison and built a meteorological station which would be in operation for the next 26 years until the People’s Republic of China used military force to occupy the archipelago in 1974.

At the end of 1946, the Republic of China sent its troops to occupy Itu Aba Island in the Spratlys after France had erected a sovereignty stele. The Chinese Civil War’s conclusion and the proclamation of the People’s Republic of China in October 1949 forced the Republic of China’s troops to leave Woody Island in the Paracels and Itu Aba Island in the Spratlys while the French garrisons were maintained.

In April 1956, French forces were withdrawn from Indochina. In the Paracels they were replaced by the Republic of Viet Nam’s
troops (i.e.,South Viet Nam’s troops). At the same time, the People’s Republic of China’s troops secretly landed and occupied
Amphitrite Group in the eastern part of the Paracel Islands5. On September 4, 1958, China issued a statement on its
twelve-nautical-mile territorial waters, including around both the Paracel and Spratly Islands. On January 19, 1974, China used its military forces to occupy completely the Paracel Islands. Until then, the Spratly Islands “were completely out of China’s
influence, let alone China’s intention to control them”7. In February 1988, China sent troops to some islands in the Spratlys, and a month later, seized six islands from Viet Nam5. All of these events make China a unique claimant in the Spratly Islands for its
exclusive claim over the whole archipelago and its absolute lack of control in reality until 1987.

China then established its 33rd province including Hainan Island, the Paracels, and the Spratlys in April 1988, occupied one more small island in the Spratly Islands in May 19895, and seized Mischief Reef of the Philippines in February 1995.

China’s main approach to seize control over the islands is to use military force, an approach which has been condemned by
international law since early 20th century. The Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, adopted on October 24, 1970, also states
explicitly that “The territory of a State shall not be the object of military occupation resulting from the use of force in
contravention of the provisions of the Charter. The territory of a State shall not be the object of acquisition by another State
resulting from the threat or use of force. No territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognized as
legal”. The use of military force is therefore against international law and cannot legitimize any legal status for China in the
Paracel and Spratly Islands.

China’s use of statements by the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam

China maintains that Viet Nam recognized China’s sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands during the Viet Nam War by
statements of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam (North Viet Nam) including

- A verbal expression by Deputy Foreign Minister Ung Văn Khiêm on June 15, 1956 to a standing member of the Embassy of China in Ha Noi that these archipelagos are part of China’s territory in terms of history. However, China fails to provide the meeting’s
minutes that contains this expression by Deputy Foreign Minister Khiêm14. It should also be noted that, according to
international law, deputy foreign ministers do not by default have the authority to represent a State in such matters.

- A diplomatic note by Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng on September 14, 1958 in which China’s claim of twelve-nautical-mile territorial sea was said to be approved without any reservation of opinion regarding the Paracel and Spratly Islands.
Whether these statements have legal implications for the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam’s sovereignty over the Paracel and
Spratly Islands will require further studies in international law. However, the author would like to offer a perspective on these
statements as below.

- On May 9, 1965, in response to the the escalation of the Viet Nam War and the establishment of tactical zones in the South China Sea by the United States, the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam’s newspaper Nhân Dân (The People) stated that the Paracel Islands were under the sovereignty of China. It should be noted that, according to international law, newspapers are not
considered representatives of a State.

Whether these statements have legal implications for the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam’s sovereignty over the Paracel and
Spratly Islands will require further studies in international law. However, the author would like to offer a perspective on these
statements as below.

During the Viet Nam War (1954–1975), there were two States co-existing in Viet Nam, namely, the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam (DRVN) in the North, and the Republic of Viet Nam (RVN) in the South. The co-existence of these two States is agreed upon by many leading international laywers, such as James Crawford, Robert Jennings, Nguyễn Quốc Định, Jules Basdevant, Paul
Reuter, Louis Henkin, and Grigory Tunkin14.

Acccording to the DRVN and RVN’s understanding of the 1954 Geneva Accords, and to thede facto administration, the RVN was
the successor State to the Vietnamese titles over the Paracel and Spratly Islands. As mentioned above, the RVN had
continuously controlled, exercised administration, and affirmed sovereignty until China’s occupation of the Paracel Islands by
force in 1974, and until the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Viet Nam’s takeover of the Spratly
Islands in 1975. The DRVN was a third party in the dispute between the RVN and China over the Paracels, and in that between the RVN, the Philippines and China over the Spratlys.

First, given that it was the RVN, and not the DRVN, which was the successor State to the Vietnamese titles over the Paracel and Spratly Islands, the DRVN did not have the duty to defend these titles. Therefore, its conduct cannot be interpreted as acquiescence to China or the Philippines’ claims. Furthermore, as a third party, the DRVN was not in dispute or negotiation with any other State over these archipelagos. Therefore, no statement made by the DRVN can be said to have been made in the context of a dispute or negotiation over these archipelagos between it and China or the Philippines.

Second, the 1958 diplomatic note of the DRVN’s Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng and other DRVN’s statements on the issue did not affect RVN’s titles over the archipelagos. Any legal obligation that might arise from the DRVN’s statements could only apply to the DRVN, not to the RVN.

Third, let us consider whether the DRVN’s statements gave rise to any binding obligations for itself? The statements made by DRVN on the issue are unilateral ones. According to international law, to determine whether a unilateral statement might give rise to binding obligations, three main conditions must be considered, namely,

1. the context in which the statement was made;

2. whether the unilateral statement is explicit, and whether the party making the statement explicitly expresses the intention
that it wishes to be bound by its own statement; and

3. whether there has been detrimental reliance for the other party, i.e., damage or loss caused by that party’s reliance on the unilateral statement.

In addition, judgements by the International Court of Justice require that the unilateral statements are made continuously over a prolonged period of time for it to give rise to binding obligations15.

It is not difficult to see that the DRVN’s statements on the issue lack most of these prerequisite conditions, and therefore did not give rise to any binding obligations for the DRVN. Regarding the criterion of context, these statements were not made in the context of the DRVN and China contesting the Paracels and Spratlys with each other. Regarding the criterion of explicitness, the
only authoritative statement from the DRVN – the diplomatic note by Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng, did not say anything explicit about the Paracels or Spratlys. Regarding the criterion of detrimental reliance, China has not taken any actions that could be
said to be detrimental reliance on the DRVN’s statements.

As the successor State to the DRVN and the RVN (and subsequently the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Viet Nam) since 1976, the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam (SRVN) succeeded to both the sovereignty of the Paracel and
Spratly Islands from the RVN and the unilateral, non-binding statements from the DRVN. Since the latter is non-binding, the SRVN is free to choose to uphold the former. The re-unified Vietnamese State, therefore, has full legal basis to assert its sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands.

Hundred Viet's (Bai Yue): A legal analysis in support of Vietnam's position regarding the Paracel & Spratley Islands

Frankly, I really hope you dare to shot the first bullet together, seriously, take a try!

Reasonable men will fight with reason. The lesser man will resort to violence.
 
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how to prove you are not?


when you are part of China, how came the "invaded"? invaded for 12 centuries? Good one!


ok, show me some thing old enough and lot enough to prove this so called language is the chief one, instead of Chinese Language!


USSR had a short life, it's a young country, only emerged and united into one power for several hundred years. Many kingdoms, emporias came and gone, only China survived since the history. you used to be a part of the glory, but no longer do.


stopped help--so you admit we helped, right? Tell me why we stopped the help?
If all the fighting field in your area, and by this you draw a conclusion that China is the loser, maybe it's better to have your brain get some wash, and make it more clear.


LOL, if a 5000 year old country is a boy, then you shall be just an egg.

Invaders are aggressors. Chinese ran away. It's clear.
You are stupid enough, "language" and "write" there are different word and meaning in Enghlish, bestard boy, you are misunderstanding, go learn English more.
and last comment in this post for you: egg or chicken who is the first to be born.:rofl:
 
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In the 1700's philippine map(Carta Hydrographical y Chorographical De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde, S.J. and
published in 1734)clearly state that Scarborough shoal was already part of zambales province, under effective control of the
Spanish in the Philippines back then.
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dispute through arbitration by the international court, which China turned down repeatedly because they know themselves they'll lose.

fine, english is my 2nd language, some words of your quotation seems misspelled, I'm not going to write a book to reply you, and quitted to finish all your words. let's brief your words:

HISTORY
Yuan Dynasty is a period of China, Mongol nation melt into China as inner Mongolia province, documents from Yuan is certainly can be considered as a solid proof, and definitely the very earliest one! so first we (Guo mentioned that. It's not necessary for for him to step the island in person) came to Huangyan Dao first, that's doubtless.

But I never heard Spain had ever melt into Philippine, no matter to say even first of your proof is very late one.

LAW
We claimed the ownership before your independence from US. Your country area was defined without Huangyan Dao until 2009, suddenly! 48 years after your independence. Don't you think that's too drama?
 
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Invaders are aggressors. Chinese ran away. It's clear.
You are stupid enough, "language" and "write" there are different word and meaning in Enghlish, bestard boy, you are misunderstanding, go learn English more.
and last comment in this post for you: egg or chicken who is the first to be born.:rofl:
you've lost control and mind both, no proof, no logic, no sense, doesn't worth a comment. with such IQ level, if I were you I will pray for peace between China day and night.
 
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you've lost control and mind both, no proof, no logic, no sense, doesn't worth a comment. with such IQ level, if I were you I will pray for peace between China day and night.

You have a lowest IQ belong to such Chinese guys in PDF. I reminder one thing imprtant for you, Chinese are enslaving in the past, very long time in your history ruled by Mongolia, Manchus and Japan, Britain recently. Chinese people and Vietnamese people suffered same fate in past. Don't show big face here. Funny.:P
 
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You have a lowest IQ belong to such Chinese guys in PDF. I reminder one thing imprtant for you, Chinese are enslaving in the past, very long time in your history ruled by Mongolia, Manchus and Japan, Britain recently. Chinese people and Vietnamese people suffered same fate in past. Don't show big face here. Funny.:P

Big is a objective description, what's your point?
I repeat my words, during the long history, China sometimes was a sleeping lion, but never a rat.
Mongolia melt into China, Manchu too, and the war with Japan last 8 years then ended by their shameful failure, not 12 centuries, :)
one of the Four Great Ancient Civilized Nations in the world, with the only continuous culture, we have enough reason to be proud. yes we suffered, but survived, for centuries we were No.1 of the world, if we want to show you face for reasons, guess what? WE CAN!
 
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LAW
We claimed the ownership before your independence from US. ?

Chinese formal claims started on 2009 only contrary to China's state owned media claims that it started in 1945 or 1935 as you
claim. Aside from the 9 dash line having no basis, being unclear, and unstable, the Chinese still had the balls to file for a formal
claim to the UN in 2009. The Chinese government merely claims jurisdiction in these areas but they do not have effective
jurisdiction as required for sovereignty. China's official claims on the entire SCS on 2009 is invalid, as immediately after they
submitted their claims, 4 countries immediately protested to this. China's claims are only on historical basis. On a 1270's map that they can't produce. And on historical claims about an astronomer supposedly using scarborough as a marker of sorts for charting the stars when there is clearly no records of such in the journals of the astronomer.

Can any of you(Chinese) try to explain how china is in control of SCS since 1935. I even recall reading an article wherein a
senior member of China's foreign affairs department admitting that china never had jurisdiction over these waters as these areas were controlled by other southeast asian countries.

Do you know that Chinese emperors claimed the whole world??? China's claim is baseless...without historical evidence...
supported by fabricated history...recognized by no country. In other words...China is a shameless land grabber.

LAW
Your country area was defined without Huangyan Dao until 2009, suddenly! 48 years after your independence. Don't you think that's too drama?

False. We already have the Sulu Sultanate long before the Spaniards came.
In the 1700's philippine map(Carta Hydrographical y Chorographical De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde, S.J. and
published in 1734)clearly state that Scarborough shoal was already part of zambales province
A map prepared by the US Armed Forces in 1903 included Panatag Shoal as part of the island groups of the Philippines, contrary
to China’s claim that it is not included in the Philippine boundaries under the Treaty of Paris.
 
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Big is a objective description, what's your point?
I repeat my words, during the long history, China sometimes was a sleeping lion, but never a rat.
Mongolia melt into China, Manchu too, and the war with Japan last 8 years then ended by their shameful failure, not 12 centuries, :)
one of the Four Great Ancient Civilized Nations in the world, with the only continuous culture, we have enough reason to be proud. yes we suffered, but survived, for centuries we were No.1 of the world, if we want to show you face for reasons, guess what? WE CAN!

Without victory of Soviet Union and USA on Japan Imperial with two nukes, Chinese are still enslaving by Japan and Britain. To day USA is control Taiwan, you are half-independence Citizen in the world, shameful for Chinese when you are chinese brainwashed, can't look at truth that China is divided country.
Don't say about civilization here, very funny. YOU CAN do only threat and bully to smaller neighbors.:smokin:
 
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