4 Indian nationals handed over to BSF

[Aung Zaya]

You can call your whole family.We Bangladeshi boys are 1 = 100 .No need backup

 

[ziaulislam]

Although our current secular intelligentsia downplay the religious factor for the justification of existence of Bangladesh as an independent state and promote ethno-liguistic identity, but muslim identity is equally important.Without muslim identity we would not have gotten the current boundary in a first place. I don't think, even today any Indian hindu bengali would love to come under muslim Bangladesh's rule despite same language, culture and ethnicity, similarly no Bangladeshi muslim would be willing to live under hindu Indian rules for the sake of reuniting with Indian bengali.For us both Islam and Bengali language and culture are important pillar of nationhood. Another factor is, nobody want to become a religious or ethnic minority in another country. For Bangladeshi muslims, joining India means becoming both religious and ethnic minority within India, which 90% Bangladeshi people will never tolerate. Bengali muslims did not like to be minority and under the thumb of hindu dominance, that was the main driving force behind the separate muslim homeland agitation in pre-partition British India. So, the border between Bangladesh and India is permanent without any doubt. this border will exist as long as concept of country exist in the world.

this to me doesnt make sense
why is than majority of Bengali people propagating persecution of religious parties, taking out islam out of the constitution for official religion and straining its relationship with pakistan rather than mending them, like what mujeeb ur rehmn did..in reality the relationship are even worse than mujeeb ur rehman era

probably you present the minority voice i guess

 

[Nilgiri]

Honestly I enjoy your chorus about 3 millions of dead and 5 lakhs of rape victims.
Although this figure is official figure yet most of Bangladeshi do not believe in it, except some peoples brainwashed by pseudo intellectuals !
This is the reality in bangladesh. However this number is even fading in pdf Bengalis too, as even pdf Bengalis also don't believe in this 3 million, but they decided to accept it as 3 lakhs!

So it will be only you who will be signing this same song ( of 3 millions ; even when is totally unrelated to this topic) in this forum I am sure now. It's slowly becoming your habbit, and you are also losing your mind. lol Take some rest buddy, everything will be alright.
.

Enjoy it as much as you want to. I similarly laugh at you saying crap like this when it suits you:

Probably you know draupadi of mahabharata.
And read some others stories from mahabharata, ( like the story of মাধবী) you will know their real culture.

So you can extrapolate in some theoretical way when its convenient but others should not for even things clearly out in the open factually right now.

This is the reality manifesting, both in theory and practice.....like what further puranic literature commented on the exceptional case of Draupadi and Pandavas...and why it was deemed as strange/abnormal even within Mahabharat (in fact if you know the things Draupadi was called as she was being disrobed by Dushashan). Not to mention what is the actual prevalence of polyandry in Hindu culture on the ground (as close to 0% as it can get) largely doctrinally/morally stemming from the (prequel to Mahabharat which is significant given commentary of treta/dwapara yug in relation to kali yug that starts at finish of mahabharat) story of the Avatar Ram (who is known for one wife marriage) that is largely seen as the ideal man. Not to mention all of this is accepted in Hindu culture as smriti rather than sruti, not that I expect you to know anything on why that is a key difference or even what it means....given you seem to think knowing some cherry picked iota = knowing everything on a matter.

But even with all that said, don't let the facts get in your way.....I know I can clearly shout from anywhere I want to in India that a woman having multiple husbands is morally wrong (and other way around if I choose to as well) ....but also why there is an exception to this in Pandava case but it is not a basis for a larger cultural/moral prevelance either in theory or in practice. Indian govt wont have any issue with it... in fact clear legislation exists for anti-polyandry.

But please try to shout/publish in Bangladesh openly that 3 million genocide claim and X00,000 rape claim is a hoax. See what happens to you courtesy of BD govt.....officially and t's crossed and i's dotted. Please push its just mistranslation, that BD govt should officially admit that and change its stance (and at least stop prosecuting people for doubting it)...... and you really meant 300,000 (as though that number is somehow documented/researched well).... just do it if so many BD ppl clearly dont believe in it, or cower instead and cry here and the BD govt/courts/elite is just some dissonant joke as usual....once again proving its case of either brainwashing or lack of spine for you gullible sheeple, and nothing in the middle.

That is the key difference and always will be between our two people. You have legislated to protect immoral untruth out of convenience and emotion based founding of your "country", we have legislated in favour of moral truth (you can check our national motto at some point)....that is the clearest verse from the Vedas, written (and heard well before even that) before your swamp even got its name Anga from sanskrit bronze and iron age which leads to all the other corrupted names you use now.

So don't talk crap you don't know anything about my ancient culture, cherrypicking and extrapolating to attempt to diminish us in some way..... and then hypocritically turn around and try to disjoint your so called elected govt from its consistent authoritarian position (be it BAL or BNP) imposed on you the people since your founding....regarding a clear legislated untruth....Mr. "we are real pakistan".

@django @Valar. @Desert Fox @MUSTAKSHAF

 

[Centaur]

we are "real pakistan".

Lol . Why do think that I read your full post when it is irrelevant?
You are just wasting your time man . I know why you are trolling on me . But still that's fine , keep trolling , if that make you happy
@Nilgiri

 

[Sine Nomine]

But please try to shout/publish in Bangladesh openly that 3 million genocide claim and X00,000 rape claim is a hoax. See what happens to you courtesy of BD govt.....officially and t's crossed and i's dotted. Please push its just mistranslation, that BD govt should officially admit that and change its stance (and at least stop prosecuting people for doubting it)...... and you really meant 300,000 (as though that number is somehow documented/researched well).... just do it if so many BD ppl clearly dont believe in it, or cower instead and cry here and the BD govt/courts/elite is just some dissonant joke as usual....once again proving its case of either brainwashing or lack of spine for you gullible sheeple, and nothing in the middle.

That lie is bread and butter of whole of Bengali Establishment for 5 decades.If BD Govt read his comment of 300000 dead and reached his collor he is surely behind bars.
We in India and Pakistan can Criticize Government to anything,but that's not case in BD.
Hasina even excuted those who were teenagers at time on 1971 war,labeling them as Razakars,Next I think she would label any political Opponent as Product of Rape by Pakistani Soldiers and he would be liable for excuction by her courts.
Great Lady,she is,I pray for her life time rule and after that her son.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

why is than majority of Bengali people propagating persecution of religious parties,

So what do expect? Just because we have muslim identity, allow anti-national, extremists and taliban like party/group to do politics unchecked and allow them to make Bangladesh an earthly example of Jahannam?

taking out islam out of the constitution for official religion

Retaining Islam as a state religion in constitution is not necessary.It will do not make any difference to the religious life of a muslim living in Bangladesh.Although I do not mind having Islam as a state religion.State religion Islam will remain in Bangladeshi constitution for foreseeable future.Even Awami League did not dare to remove it when it had overwhelming public support in it's 1st tenure of current rule.

straining its relationship with pakistan rather than mending them,

Our muslim identity is not preconditioned with mandatory good relation with Pakistan.We will be as muslim as ever even if we have no diplomatic relation with Pakistan.This is your deluded thinking.Saudi Arabia and Iran has extremely hostile relation with each other.But that does not make any one of them any less Islamic.Although we want good relation with Pakistan just like with any other muslim countries.Nothing less or nothing more.

probably you present the minority voice i guess

What do you think? Majority of Bangladeshi muslim want to convert into Hinduism and merge with India? Your president Ayub khan was also thought the same.Most of you Pakistani think, if Bangladesh does not become a satellite state of Pakistan and burn bridge with India then Bengali muslims are not proper muslim.What a deluded, self serving attitude.

 

[Ocean]

Bd is colony of india . You guys can not stand

But can they lie down for india?

 

[Centaur]

comment of 300000 dead and reached his collor he is surely behind bars.
We in India and Pakistan can Criticize Government to anything,but that's not case in BD

I admit that and I don't care if PDF BD folks agree or not .
This is the bitter reality in bangladesh now.
Still why I am supporting the govt ? Because bnp did so many Crime and loot that at that moment we really don't have any other choice but to tolerate this govt .
I believe after removing khaleda Zia BNP may survive again and if that time awami league want to survive in politics , surely they have to be much more tolerant and also give up the cult .
However why do I blame BNP ( bangladesh nationalist party) ?
Those bastards destroyed power sector and many others and then even dared to touch military budget. And they paid their price .
So if BNP can learn something when Zia family will be removed from BNP then I believe the learning term of awami league will come , and if awami league keep licking India boot , surely their fate will be much disastrous they have ever faced in history.
I admit that I will be in prison because I deny such genocide hoax .
Most of BD folks don't believe this hoax too.
Just they are helpless against govt atm.
But why they are not protesting? Simply they don't want another looter in power . Those days has passed already that peoples will for another robbers.
So if another party can be settled or at least BNP can prove themselves better for bd folks , then BD folks will again come to street ; for democracy , for freedom of speech , but certainly not to fill the pocket of another looter .

Common folks need food much more than freedom of speech, awami league at least giving them good .
So unless BNP can prove to be better than awami league , only then people will come in street in order to wipe awami league out .
Otherwise never , because those days have passed already when BD folks were meant to be used as political tools .
Well wishers of BD folks should consider this factor that we are going through a process have has begun few years ago .
So they should wish them good luck and not to judge them brutally because some of their silly acts.
Thank you .

 

[Nilgiri]

Common folks need food much more than freedom of speech, awami league at least giving them good .

They give through BBS, BAL is very good at lying and making things happen on paper only away from reality.

And BD people are just meek and weak enough to take that lying down.....and sell land to run to Dada for even an X-ray.

 

[Centaur]

They give through BBS, BAL is very good at lying and making things happen on paper only away from reality.

@Nilgiri ,
Apart from your anger , if you really care to know something, please read the entire post .
I can't prove anything but still as a citizen I know something . You also can observe it. If you ever been in BD specially 2004-05 and now if you will visit BD small towns ,you will know the differences.
I can't say about bigger town as I live in a small town. And for Dhaka you can easily get information by visiting there or at least asking them it's not hard since it's capital.
Read now....

Lower middle class folks are really in some problem . Once I said about lower middle class jobs of private companies of Dhaka offering same salary that they offered even in 8/9 years ago .
Those type jobs mostly taken by women who are mostly from lower middle class family , can't show off so they get those low paid salary jobs because they are desperate to support their family.
And also some few women take those jobs just as time pass , this 2nd type's husband's are well established ,but just wives want a job and also don't want to show off they take those jobs. They really don't need the job ( second type women) for livelihood.
However those jobs are in bad condition because it's static . It's disastrous no doubt .

But on the other hand , govt employees salary increased but market is not extremely high comparing past years when market got sky high just after new pay scale .
I am not saying that market is good , yet most of time stable. Few days ago rice market was in problem but govt tackle that .
However that's about middle class to higher middle class right ?
They are in much better situation. Also police have Un missions chance alongside army , simply money in honest way .
So bribe had decreased considerably unlike past days .
And many more thing it's not possible to explain in short time .
Now about lower class poor folks ( extremely poor comparing middle to higher middle class ) .

There were almost no jobs in villages . So poor folks used to starve in many area . And I admit that , bnp also did a lot for them, still awami league did much better.
Now atleast most of folks have garments job, rikhsaw , rikhsaw van , auto ricksahw , so simple situation has changed .
Yes slowly still at least they have job now .
Now in small towns : salary of shop sales men increasing time to time , and many other like many other low quality jobs are available in private hospital, or such types of job opportunities in various fields have greatly increased .

Also women who used to be house maid getting btc labour job and that more or less than 6000 + tk so no one is working as maid with such low salary like past years.

In bnp regime , they used to serve as homes for 300 tk / months . Read again 300 tk per month in 2004-05 and onward . So if they work in 2 house they got 600 and if someone have pity they fed them stale foods that left yesterday.

Because of btc labour job and other jobs their demand is very high . They are either doing as maid servant jobs in middle class family for 3000+ or more for first family (total 2 family) and all work including 1 time cooking in the early morning because husband wife both have job so can't cook in early morning.
And then in afternoon in another house with less money since no cooking there .
So this their their total income is around 5 thousand , lower than btc labour ,but housework also required less labour .
So comparing total 600 ( 300+300 ) in BNP regime was much lower even that times money .
So you see extreme poverty decreased considerably .
Atleast for the sake of humanity you should thank the govt ( doesn't matter how much you dislike them ) at least poor folks can eat now ,
Everyone in bangladesh who is not blind supporter of bnp will not disagree .
Lots of BNP folks I met, and actually my family and most of relatives are pro BNP ( although my matarnal side has lots of awami supporters ; the irony is my matarnal side is more religious lol ) . I admit that common folks of BNP are much better in my area than awami league , because most awami ( grassroot ) are just criminals , yet the party is doing better as govt, why should we not admit that ?

However keep in mind that the best time of BD was the regime of lieutenant general Ershad ( according to elders ) no doubt. Better than awami league regime.
Still he will not be elected but it's the different story.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri ,
Apart from your anger , if you really care to know something, please read the entire post .
I can't prove anything but still as a citizen I know something . You also can observe it. If you ever been in BD specially 2004-05 and now it you will visit BD small towns ,you will know this .
I can't say about bigger town as I live in a small town. For Dhaka you can easily get information by visiting there or at least asking them it's not hard since I s capital.
Read now....

Lower middle class folks are really in some problem . Once I said about lower middle class jobs of private companies of Dhaka offering same salary that they offered even in 8/9 years ago .
Those type jobs mostly taken by women who are mostly from lower middle class family , can't show off so they get those low paid salary jobs because they are desperate to support their family.
And also some few women take those jobs just as time pass , this 2nd type's husband's are well established ,but just wives want a job and also don't want to show off they take thoss jobs. They really don't need the job ( second type women) for livelihood.
However those jobs are in bad condition because it's static . It's disastrous no doubt .

But on the other hand , govt employees salary increased but market is not extremely high comparing past years when market got sky high just after new pay scale .
I am not saying that market is good , yet most of time stable. Few days ago rice market was in problem but govt tackle that .
However that's about middle class to higher middle class right ?
They are in much better situation. Also police have United mission chance alongside army , simply money in honest way .
So bribe had decreased considerably unlike past days .
And many more thing it's not possible to expmaex in short time .
Now about lower class poor folks ( extremely poor comparing middle to higher middle class ) .

There were almost no jobs in villages . So poor folks used to starve in many area . InadmiI bnp also did a lot for them, still awami league did much better.
Now atleast most it folks have garments job, rikhsaw , rikhsaw van , auto ricksahw , so simple situation has changed .
Yes slowly still at least they have job now .
Now in small towns : salary of shop sales men increasing time to time , and many other like private hospital etc etc . Also women who used to be house maid getting btc labour job and that more or less than 6000 + tk so no one is working as maid .
In bnp regime , they used to serve as homes for 300 to / months . Read again 300 tk per month in 2004-05 and onward . So if they work in 2 house they got 600 and if someone have pity they fed them such foods that left after eating .

Because of btc labour job and other jobs their demand is very high . They are either doing as maid servant jobs in middle class family for 3000+ or more and more ( total 2 family and all work including 1 time cooking in the early morning because husband wife both have job so can't cook in early morning ) and
Then in afternoon in another house with less money since no cooking there .
So this their their total income is around 5 thousand , lower than labour but housework also required less labour .
So comparing total 600 ( 300+300 ) in BNP regime was much lower even that times money .
So you see extreme poverty decreased considerably .
Atleast for the sake of humanity you should thank the govt ( doesn't matter how much you dislike them ) at least poor folks can eat now ,
Everyone in bangladesh who is not blind supporyer of bnp will not disagree .
Lots of BNP folks I met, and actually my family and most of relatives are pro BNP ( although my matarnal side has lots of awami supporters ; the irony is my matarnal side is more religious lol ) . I admit that common folks of BNP are much better in my area than awami league , because most awami ( grassroot ) are just criminals , yet the party is doing better as govt, why should we not admit that ?

However keep in mind that the best time of BD was the regime of lieutenant general Ershad ( according to elders ) no doubt. Better than awami league regime.
Still he will not be elected but it's the different story.

I judge BD by two things mainly:

a) foreign imprint markers available (that have next to no chance of BD govt meddling because of high 3rd party verification)

b) good personal friends of mine who tell me how things change on the ground over time (though in their case its mostly urban related things)

Look I am not saying BD is not at all improving for the better (and that BAL performs somewhat better than BNP economically etc), just that its not really to the rate whatever BD govt likes to portray.

I will admit I know next to nothing about BD rural scene at any essential level (its next to impossible subject even for most parts of India for me at the threshold I prefer to discuss/debate things on...unless its parts I have been to personally myself)...but I cannot really believe anything automatically either past general improvement trend (that will obviously happen given where BD is coming from in the past and trickle down effect etc).

BD simply has to get to strong middle income status, have a good thoroughfare of foreign visitors (capturing all the hidden corners well etc) before the credibility/verified exposure organically arrives and grows. It will take lot more time....this generation needs to work its best to get it there....and next one will have to work just as hard or even more. Goes for region overall as well.

It was a good post by you and I have saved it to compare with my other notes. Maybe I will do a proper BD economy analysis when this subforum is of better higher quality.