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Sure add that too.

In @masterchief_mirza quote "As soon as China and/or Pakistan get their act together and put overwhelming compelling evidence forth"

So we will wait for the overwhelming compelling evidence. Tweets by a Pakistani journalist do not qualify as overwhelming compelling evidence. Neither does proof that an Indian worked in an Indian company in Afghanistan.

Yes you are right.

But once the case was taken up with the UNSC, i believe it was presented with all the evidence.... I mean some set of procedures were followed otherwise one cannot just propose to UNSC to place someone on the terrorism watch.
 
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Sure add that too.

In @masterchief_mirza quote "As soon as China and/or Pakistan get their act together and put overwhelming compelling evidence forth"

So we will wait for the overwhelming compelling evidence. Tweets by a Pakistani journalist do not qualify as overwhelming compelling evidence. Neither does proof that an Indian worked in an Indian company in Afghanistan.
No need for to quote excerpts without reading the whole post. The evidence that India is involved in state level support for terrorism is overwhelming. That it isn't presented at this point in time is a separate issue and has multiple possible explanations - not least that in real due process, the prosecution will not show their hand to the defence until they're confident of conviction. Let's catch the filth first.

This was a direct attack on a consulting firm focussed on prevention of information leakage and on counter-intelligence training, not exactly subjects that would endear them to an intelligence service committed to destroying every neighbor in sight - and some beyond.
In one broad sweep, you've assumed said "counterintelligence" is not intended to bring harm to Pakistan. This is where your complaint collapses because Pakistan has a different stance on Indian consultancy firms in this theatre - that they are malevolent towards Pakistan until proven otherwise. On the basis of available evidence of past conflicts between our nations, this stance is logical and justified.

One needs look no further than Indian "consultancy" of the mukthi bahini to comprehend such a default position. India can build confidence with Pakistan if it so wishes in order to reverse this position. Hiring more "independent counterintelligence consultants" in third party nations is not the way to achieve that though.
 
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No need for to quote excerpts without reading the whole post. The evidence that India is involved in state level support for terrorism is overwhelming. That it isn't presented at this point in time is a separate issue and has multiple possible explanations - not least that in real due process, the prosecution will not show their hand to the defence until they're confident of conviction. Let's catch the filth first.

I did read the whole post. It is difficult to post an extract without reading the whole post.

We will wait for the decision of the UNSC and how it feels about the evidence. Previously too, there has been evidence shared and this forum had a similar thread saying the same thing they are saying now. There was also a photo op at that time. It ended at https://www.dawn.com/news/1220957
 
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I did read the whole post. It is difficult to post an extract without reading the whole post.

We will wait for the decision of the UNSC and how it feels about the evidence. Previously too, there has been evidence shared and this forum had a similar thread saying the same thing they are saying now. There was also a photo op at that time. It ended at https://www.dawn.com/news/1220957
Yes continue with your selective cherry picking validation of the various United Nations regulatory and decision-making functions. We're well used to that.
 
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No need for to quote excerpts without reading the whole post. The evidence that India is involved in state level support for terrorism is overwhelming. That it isn't presented at this point in time is a separate issue and has multiple possible explanations - not least that in real due process, the prosecution will not show their hand to the defence until they're confident of conviction. Let's catch the filth first.

Per this link, the UNSC has refused. Apparently US blocked it because of "lack of evidence"

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...indian-under-unsc-sanctions-committee/1876020
 
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Per this link, the UNSC has refused. Apparently US blocked it because of "lack of evidence"

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...indian-under-unsc-sanctions-committee/1876020
As others have said, the intention here was a change in tactics, a "new normal". That USA or the usual suspects may "block" such moves isn't actually surprising, nor should it worry Islamabad. Delhi is on notice that it cannot simply rinse and repeat its mukthi bahini blueprint. Once intel is available, its operations in Afg will be damaged through a variety of mechanisms. This is one of those mechanisms that will cause disruption. The disruption led to evacs. The best outcome is to keep RAW guessing. Pakistan shouldn't become dependent on a single tactic but should employ a variety. The quieter it does this, the better.

Speaks volumes though that these guys needed evacuation when they'd done zilch wrong apparently.

ISI must be tapping folks good and proper and obtaining damming evidence if names are actually being blurted out.

I think that is only for Venumadhav Dongara. The other 3 are pending.

I think Pakistan should now make the evidence public to embarrass India and the US. The whole world should see the quality of Pakistan's evidence.
As I already explained, there is a precise scenario in which to show one's hand in a game of poker. There are numerous reasons not to do so at certain junctures in time.
 
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I think that is only for Venumadhav Dongara. The other 3 are pending.

I think Pakistan should now make the evidence public to embarrass India and the US. The whole world should see the quality of Pakistan's evidence.

Difficult to prove in my opinion. Most of the evidence would be confessions from low-level operatives of the TTP, that would be looked at with doubts.

The reason India was successful was because of the open admission of Hafiz Saeed and his ilk and the public attempts to recruit people.

In cases where India has attempted to provide evidence, much of it has been questionable as well. If you recall, often the modus operandi of such evidence was always an "ID card" of a terrorist organization and a "diary" that contained juicy details that required the imagination of a fiction writer.
 
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Speaks volumes though that these guys needed evacuation when they'd done zilch wrong apparently.

We evacuate people who we feel are in danger. We also evacuated 170000 people from Kuwait in 1990. They were also not terrorist. We have also evacuated people from Covid-19 hot spots. They too were not terrorists.
 
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No need for to quote excerpts without reading the whole post. The evidence that India is involved in state level support for terrorism is overwhelming. That it isn't presented at this point in time is a separate issue and has multiple possible explanations - not least that in real due process, the prosecution will not show their hand to the defence until they're confident of conviction. Let's catch the filth first.


In one broad sweep, you've assumed said "counterintelligence" is not intended to bring harm to Pakistan. This is where your complaint collapses because Pakistan has a different stance on Indian consultancy firms in this theatre - that they are malevolent towards Pakistan until proven otherwise.

Pakistan may have as many stances as a Kathak dancer; it convinces nobody except the breath-takingly audacious member of PDF who makes bland posts turning the world upside down. Lord Cornwallis would have recognised the tune, possibly - due to his later stint in India - even the stances.

On the basis of available evidence of past conflicts between our nations, this stance is logical and justified.

On the basis of the track record of the two nations in Afghanistan, it is precisely the opposite. A whole parade of senior and very senior officers have gone on record bragging about their involvement in a spectrum of activities ranging from aiding and abetting Islamists to fighting side by side with them in their insurrection or in their terrorist campaigns.

There is not a single instance, not one instance, of an Indian doing these things. Even the single, solitary instance manufactured out of whole cloth by a notorious intelligence agency is widely acknowledged to have been forcibly placed in a compromised position, similar to what might have been the fate of the consultants who were in Afghanistan.

One needs look no further than Indian "consultancy" of the mukthi bahini to comprehend such a default position.

Wrong example. The Mukti Bahini was trained by the BSF on how to use rifles, and not in anything else, not by any nebulous consultancy firm. No money passed hands. This is in contrast to the work of another intelligence agency who undertook to subvert the Indian state from 1966 onwards. This was testified to by the Pakistani officer, Brig. Z. A. Khan, in his memoirs, where he mentions meeting the Mizo insurgents in the CHD, and learning the details of their sponsorship and 'management'.

India can build confidence with Pakistan if it so wishes in order to reverse this position.

Pakistan can build confidence with India, and indeed, the whole world, if it so wishes. You need only to look up the damaging track record of the military historian about whom Shuja Nawaz waxed eloquent - 'magisterial', in his words about the great man's book - and also of dozens of his peers. That is not the track record on one track; it is about a man who had remitted cash sums to the conspirators of the 9/11 conspiracy and, having done so, was sitting at lunch with American government persons. He did not bother with any intermediate stages; he was directly a financier of terrorism, using government of Pakistan finance.

Hiring more "independent counterintelligence consultants" in third party nations is not the way to achieve that though.

Ah, I think you should save your judgements for the proven and established 'non-state actors' recognised by every single civilised nation in the world - including, very prominently, the nation whose flag you display.

Please don't bother to respond. I have no intention of engaging in outrageous inversions of reality with such a blatantly unscrupulous member.
 
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MQM's 2nd in line has just admitted receiving funds from India to terrorise Pakistan. That is a bulletproof case. I wonder what kind of humiliation and international clinch it would bring upon India's weakening neck!

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/6...s-mqm-received-funding-from-indian-government
He is MI6 asset so protected. Pakistan has to put overt pressure through media, social media and expose the hidden links.
Covert pressure can only help some under the counter commitments which may or may not be followed through consistently.
 
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India is a terrorist state they have been openly involve in terrorism in Pakistan.. we sud raize voice all over the world.. their policy is "chor machai shor"
Enough of staying quite and letting indian to come to our forum and tell us our army this and that.
They have terrorist PM mody and they live in rape capital delhi.
 
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Pakistan may have as many stances as a Kathak dancer; it convinces nobody except the breath-takingly audacious member of PDF who makes bland posts turning the world upside down. Lord Cornwallis would have recognised the tune, possibly - due to his later stint in India - even the stances.



On the basis of the track record of the two nations in Afghanistan, it is precisely the opposite. A whole parade of senior and very senior officers have gone on record bragging about their involvement in a spectrum of activities ranging from aiding and abetting Islamists to fighting side by side with them in their insurrection or in their terrorist campaigns.

There is not a single instance, not one instance, of an Indian doing these things. Even the single, solitary instance manufactured out of whole cloth by a notorious intelligence agency is widely acknowledged to have been forcibly placed in a compromised position, similar to what might have been the fate of the consultants who were in Afghanistan.



Wrong example. The Mukti Bahini was trained by the BSF on how to use rifles, and not in anything else, not by any nebulous consultancy firm. No money passed hands. This is in contrast to the work of another intelligence agency who undertook to subvert the Indian state from 1966 onwards. This was testified to by the Pakistani officer, Brig. Z. A. Khan, in his memoirs, where he mentions meeting the Mizo insurgents in the CHD, and learning the details of their sponsorship and 'management'.



Pakistan can build confidence with India, and indeed, the whole world, if it so wishes. You need only to look up the damaging track record of the military historian about whom Shuja Nawaz waxed eloquent - 'magisterial', in his words about the great man's book - and also of dozens of his peers. That is not the track record on one track; it is about a man who had remitted cash sums to the conspirators of the 9/11 conspiracy and, having done so, was sitting at lunch with American government persons. He did not bother with any intermediate stages; he was directly a financier of terrorism, using government of Pakistan finance.



Ah, I think you should save your judgements for the proven and established 'non-state actors' recognised by every single civilised nation in the world - including, very prominently, the nation whose flag you display.

Please don't bother to respond. I have no intention of engaging in outrageous inversions of reality with such a blatantly unscrupulous member.
As you were then. I have no need, nor intention to rectify the deliberate and misleading posturing of India's many internet "moderates". My exposures of Hindustani malevolence are for the benefit of those Pakistanis who happen to be reading this exchange, hence it is not a private discussion. Thank you for passively - albeit begrudgingly - assisting with this work.
 
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As you were then. I have no need, nor intention to rectify the deliberate and misleading posturing of India's many internet "moderates". My exposures of Hindustani malevolence are for the benefit of those Pakistanis who happen to be reading this exchange, hence it is not a private discussion. Thank you for passively - albeit begrudgingly - assisting with this work.

I am sorry but I cannot respond to such posts.
 
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