32-year-old Islam convert hacked to death in Malappuram

[SarthakGanguly]

If Muslims are being hacked to death in India's 'mini-Islamic states', I wouldn't want to know what happens in India's 'mini-secular states'.

Just wait for a couple of days. Look for temples in the region - before and after. Expect a few to cease to exist. Or something similar. Also look at the Census data of the district. Hindus barely muster courage to hit, especially against Muslims. This is an exception. Not the norm.

 

[Spring Onion]

Lol. RSS is a kid compared to the elephant in the room.
Google RSS deaths in Kerala. You will know.
Hindus make up less than 27% in the district mentioned here. And they are rapidly vanishing as well. Check the census data. It's in the public domain. Challenge me and check it out.

RSS can't do shyte in the face of guns. They lack training, weapons and even (I guess) the will.

read the opening post. It says something about another hacking many years back by RSS

"Faisal’s is the second case of a convert to Islam being killed in Malappuram district, where Muslims form 70.24 per cent of the population. In 1998, Ayyappan, a part-time temple priest, had been hacked to death, allegedly by workers of the RSS, after he converted to Islam and took on the name Yasir. A trial court had acquitted the six accused in the case, but the High Court later convicted them and sentenced them to life imprisonment. But, on July 20 this year, the Supreme Court acquitted all the accused in the case.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/32-year-...-to-death-in-malappuram.462543/#ixzz4QlkYRMXq

 

[SarthakGanguly]

read the opening post. It says something about another hacking many years back by RSS

"Faisal’s is the second case of a convert to Islam being killed in Malappuram district, where Muslims form 70.24 per cent of the population. In 1998, Ayyappan, a part-time temple priest, had been hacked to death, allegedly by workers of the RSS, after he converted to Islam and took on the name Yasir. A trial court had acquitted the six accused in the case, but the High Court later convicted them and sentenced them to life imprisonment. But, on July 20 this year, the Supreme Court acquitted all the accused in the case.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/32-year-...-to-death-in-malappuram.462543/#ixzz4QlkYRMXq

Yes. They fight. When did I say otherwise.

Did I say that RSS is a saint and Muslims are not attacked?

Sorry. I will give you blunt honest answers - like it or not.

With Gulf money, conversion to Islam is very popular there. This lad also got money from Saudi Arabia. Tableeghi Jamaats are active and Hindus are becoming extinct.
RSS has been trying to stem the tide - but they have pretty much failed. This is an old conflict, since Tipu's campaign and Moplah wars when Caliphates were established.

Only difference is that then Hindus were raped and forcefully converted, now Hindus are converting themselves to Islam for safety and monetary benefits. Many companies give higher packages and lucrative offers if you are Muslim. Middle class Hindus take it up by converting. The rest of the unconverted Hindus suffer. They try to fight back. but guess what? They have lost Mallapuram.

 

[Hyde]

Inna lilla hai wa inna ellaihi rajioon

It is said after the person converts to Islam, his past sins are forgiven

So he was surely better than most of us...

May he rest in eternal peace and May his status exalted before Allah Subhanwata'Allah and May he have the best of Jannat ul Firdous

Rip

 

[Spring Onion]

Yes. They fight. When did I say otherwise.

Did I say that RSS is a saint and Muslims are not attacked?

Sorry. I will give you blunt honest answers - like it or not.

With Gulf money, conversion to Islam is very popular there. This lad also got money from Saudi Arabia. Tableeghi Jamaats are active and Hindus are becoming extinct.
RSS has been trying to stem the tide - but they have pretty much failed. This is an old conflict, since Tipu's campaign and Moplah wars when Caliphates were established.

Only difference is that then Hindus were raped and forcefully converted, now Hindus are converting themselves to Islam for safety and monetary benefits. Many companies give higher packages and lucrative offers if you are Muslim. Middle class Hindus take it up by converting. The rest of the unconverted Hindus suffer. They try to fight back. but guess what? They have lost Mallapuram.

Your reply still failed to address my point.

Anyway let us discuss what you have written above. So what if they are converting from Hinduism to Islam or even Christianity for money. is it punishable by death by RSS Group?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Your reply still failed to address my point.

Anyway let us discuss what you have written above. So what if they are converting from Hinduism to Islam or even Christianity for money. is it punishable by death by RSS Group?

RSS is not a centralized organization. In fact it is highly likely that his family members might have done this.

The thinking goes like this - take this analogy. A Muslim converts to Hinduism. The Muslim family kills the guy for honor or whatever reason. Same here.

But there is a reason why a Hindu to Muslim or a Muslim to Hindu conversion ALONE create problems. Hindus and Muslims have been enemies for centuries. A conversion from one to another community is seen as betrayal. A Muslim to x conversion has an added problem of apostasy but this is not that. A Hindu to Sikh or a Hindu to Buddhist conversion on the other hand would not have created any problem.

The Hindus do have a fear that with dwindling numbers their future may be at stake - which is why killing those who 'betray' them by crossing over to Islam seem to get a silent support. This trend is becoming common for all places with a Hindu minority. Hindus are getting more and more militant.

A person tries to forgo barbarism and accept civilized, superior religion of equality and no caste system..and guess what happens? Barbarians cut him to death!!

Hindus should accept Islam en masse and let go of their barbaric ways.

Islam is local to subcontinent now. Hindus should fight against Christian colonization and missionarism...but instead they hate their Muslim neighbors. Crazy

It will take time and a lot of bloodshed but Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism will go extinct in many places in the subcontinent, especially in India in the near future.

 

[Spring Onion]

RSS is not a centralized organization. In fact it is highly likely that his family members might have done this.

The report mentioned that only four Hindu families live in this area hence it is unlikely as per your own claim that Hindus in this area cannot dare to do inflict damage on Muslims. So it seems that some powerful Hindu group might had encouraged or executed this lynching of the Muslim man who converted to Islam from Hinduism.

The thinking goes like this - take this analogy. A Muslim converts to Hinduism. The Muslim family kills the guy for honor or whatever reason. Same here.

But there is a reason why a Hindu to Muslim or a Muslim to Hindu conversion ALONE create problems. Hindus and Muslims have been enemies for centuries. A conversion from one to another community is seen as betrayal. A Muslim to x conversion has an added problem of apostasy but this is not that. A Hindu to Sikh or a Hindu to Buddhist conversion on the other hand would not have created any problem.

The Hindus do have a fear that with dwindling numbers their future may be at stake - which is why killing those who 'betray' them by crossing over to Islam seem to get a silent support. This trend is becoming common for all places with a Hindu minority. Hindus are getting more and more militant.

Thank you for opening up. It is clear that militancy and killing cannot be linked to a particular religion.

It will take time and a lot of bloodshed but Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism will go extinct in many places in the subcontinent, especially in India in the near future.

REASON?? specially for Hinduism

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The report mentioned that only four Hindu families live in this area hence it is unlikely as per your own claim that Hindus in this area cannot dare to do inflict damage on Muslims

It says their relatives may be involved. RSS does not target local civilians, only preachers and political Islamists. But as a fact, just like the Hinduism is about to go extinct in that village - it will be extinct in most of Kerala and India soon, with disastrous consequences for the rest of us.

REASON?? specially for Hinduism

Take for example, the Rohingyas are being killed in Myanmar and the Muslims all over the world are taking notice. True, they may not be taking action, but the awareness is there.

Hindus get wiped out from a State like Kerala (as you now know) district by district and Hindus of other districts are chilling. Or being content that Modi is in power and baki sab samhal lega.
The most 'brave dudes' may be cheering 1 old man lynched in 2014 for carrying beef. While doing nothing to save the regular political murders of Hindu swamis in their own state, let alone their country.

 

[Spring Onion]

It says their relatives may be involved. RSS does not target local civilians, only preachers and political Islamists. But as a fact, just like the Hinduism is about to go extinct in that village - it will be extinct in most of Kerala and India soon, with disastrous consequences for the rest of us.

and preachers are not civilians ??

As far as extinction well I do not agree that conversion for ONLY money is the reason

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Rip .
True face of peaceful india indeed

 

[Spring Onion]

Take for example, the Rohingyas are being killed in Myanmar and the Muslims all over the world are taking notice. True, they may not be taking action, but the awareness is there.

Hindus get wiped out from a State like Kerala (as you now know) district by district and Hindus of other districts are chilling. Or being content that Modi is in power and baki sab samhal lega.
The most 'brave dudes' may be cheering 1 old man lynched in 2014 for carrying beef. While doing nothing to save the regular political murders of Hindu swamis in their own state, let alone their country.

abay tu pee k betha ha kia??

I am asking how they had been wiped out from Kerala? who had wiped them out? By force? or by will?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

and preachers are not civilians ??

As far as extinction well I do not agree that conversion for ONLY money is the reason

Islamic Preachers in India are not exactly regular civilians. They are more powerful than your mullahs in your country. Even with all the evidence India has been unable to touch even the fatwa giving Ulemas. They are too powerful.

Nobody converts ONLY for money. The family were daily wage laborers. Check the main article. His parents were poor. When you grow up and see that your relatives are Muslim, living a relatively affluent life due to employment opportunities in the gulf, you grow with the impression that belonging to the community has its benefits. Employers are also biased towards Islam here (especially Gulf agents are popular). Residency, VISA etc becomes easier. Pay is higher. Their friends are all Muslims - they know nothing about their own faith (because very few Hindus live nearby anyway). A conversion hence is not much of a deal for them in that case. Unlike Muslims in India who ALWAYS live in close colonies, Hindus live everywhere and are spread out. Hence communal feeling towards other Hindus is often non existent.

abay tu pee k betha ha kia??

I am asking how they had been wiped out from Kerala? who had wiped them out? By force? or by will?

District by district. Check the Census. Check trends from 2001 Census to 2011 Census. You will know yourself. These infos are all available.

By will and some peer pressure. I mean think about it. I know nothing about my faith. I have Muslim friends and enjoy the festivals and dont take part in Hindu festivals (because I have little or no Hindu friends). I get good money if I accept Islam officially. So why should I not?

^That's is a popular thinking.

Power does not make them non-civilians so explain what powers they have ?

Power over life and death. Power of impunity from trial. Only one was tried in recent history. He too from Kerala. Not sure what was the sentence.

All what you said are monetary benefits

Not really. Reasons are socio economic. Why would I want to be a part of a religion that can't protect my community people?

I can give you a book - if you wish to read - you will understand the psyche.

 

[Spring Onion]

Islamic Preachers in India are not exactly regular civilians. They are more powerful than your mullahs in your country. Even with all the evidence India has been unable to touch even the fatwa giving Ulemas. They are too powerful.

Power does not make them non-civilians so explain what powers they have ?

Nobody converts ONLY for money. The family were daily wage laborers. Check the main article. His parents were poor. When you grow up and see that your relatives are Muslim, living a relatively affluent life due to employment opportunities in the gulf, you grow with the impression that belonging to the community has its benefits. Employers are also biased towards Islam here (especially Gulf agents are popular). Residency, VISA etc becomes easier. Pay is higher. Their friends are all Muslims - they know nothing about their own faith (because very few Hindus live nearby anyway). A conversion hence is not much of a deal for them in that case. Unlike Muslims in India who ALWAYS live in close colonies, Hindus live everywhere and are spread out. Hence communal feeling towards other Hindus is often non existent.

All what you said are monetary benefits

 

[Spring Onion]

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District by district. Check the Census. Check trends from 2001 Census to 2011 Census. You will know yourself. These infos are all available.

By will and some peer pressure. I mean think about it. I know nothing about my faith. I have Muslim friends and enjoy the festivals and dont take part in Hindu festivals (because I have little or no Hindu friends). I get good money if I accept Islam officially. So why should I not?

^That's is a popular thinking.

So how it can be stopped or influenced otherwise?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

So how it can be stopped or influenced otherwise?

There were attempts to reconvert Hindus by peaceful means. There have been successes there. Not the ones you see on TV. They are done by orgs to get some fame. You won't hear their names frequently. Empty vessels sound much. Arya Samaj does it efficiently. You won't hear about them at all.

Even in Kashmir, our predecessors had converted to Islam in the 15th century and reconverted only during Gulab Singh's reign. Even then only a few did as many were/are not sure that his reign will remain or not and there were and are many people willing to prevent reconversion to parent faiths by force. Many of our extended families remain Muslim. But Kashmir's case is different. Conversions to Islam don't happen anymore in JnK state. They do in Kerala, Mangalore region of Karnataka, Hyderabad region, West Bengal and Tripura. Take a road trip from North to Central Kerala. You will see more Mosques than are there in all of Pakistan - all very beautiful and built in the past 15 years. It is a massive success.