30,000 Pak Hindus, Sikhs can buy homes in India

[Kuru]

There is no contradiction, we are not forcing anyone to believe in Islam, so as a result we are not interfering with their personal belief.

Jinnah said the state has nothing to do with your religion. Then why the state is forcing student to learn a religion they don't belong to?

Yes this is a contradiction. And it's overruling Jinnah.

 

[Hamza913]

Jinnah said the state has nothing to do with your religion. Then why the state is forcing student to learn a religion they don't belong to?

Yes this is a contradiction. And it's overruling Jinnah.

No it's not, what Jinnah said and always meant was that non-Muslims wouldn't be forced to become Muslim.

Anyway, he's dead now so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Kuru]

No it's not, what Jinnah said and always meant was that non-Muslims wouldn't be forced to become Muslim.

Then why are you forcing non-Muslim students to learn Islamiyat in the first place? What is the intention really ?

Anyway, he's dead now so it doesn't really matter.

Lol okay.

 

[Hamza913]

Then why are you forcing non-Muslim students to learn Islamiyat in the first place? What is the intention really ?

To teach them Islamic history. That's not forcing our religion upon anybody, that's called educating people, and inshallah it will make our minorities convert to Islam.

 

[Kuru]

inshallah it will make our minorities convert to Islam.

That's it. That's the intention.

You're FORCING non-Muslims to learn Islamiyat because you intend to convert them. I'm glad you accepted that.

No wonder so many non-Muslims are leaving Pakistan for India.

 

[Hamza913]

That's it. That's the intention.

You're FORCING non-Muslims to learn Islamiyat because you intend to convert them. I'm glad you accepted that.

No wonder so many non-Muslims are leaving Pakistan for India.

A school is a place to educate people, so naturally we'd want to remove falsehood and propagate the truth. I know this concept is alien to people like you, but not for the rest of us.

It's working pretty well, most of the Kuffar in Pakistan have converted to Islam, very few actually leave the country.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/305697/seeking-social-status-37-hindus-convert-to-islam-in-matli/

https://tribune.com.pk/story/325623...he-ex-hindu-who-herds-souls-to-the-hereafter/

Anyway, you are in no position to criticise us over these things:

https://nation.com.pk/17-Jan-2017/h...-being-forced-to-convert-to-hinduism-in-india

 

[Kuru]

A school is a place to educate people, so naturally we'd want to remove falsehood and propagate the truth. I know this concept is alien to people like you, but not for the rest of us.

Religion is a belief. No 'truth' in it if you take it logically and ask for solid proofs. But we dont ask proofs or try to authenticate it because we are blind in our beliefs.

BTW It's 'truth' according to you, and not according to non-Muslims. Similarly, their beliefs is 'their truth' and according to 'them', you're the one believing in a falsehood.

I'm sure all this will be out of grasp for someone who has no sense of respect for other religion or faith. So I don't really blame you for it.

It's working pretty well, most of the Kuffar in Pakistan have converted to Islam, very few actually leave the country

Those who can leave - simply leave. Those who can't - convert themselves to get better opportunities and to improve their acceptance in society.

This thread alone is talking about 30,000 such Pakistanis who are all set to leave Pakistan for India so I find it funny when you say 'very few'

Anyway, you are in no position to criticise us over these things:

https://nation.com.pk/17-Jan-2017/h...-being-forced-to-convert-to-hinduism-in-india

Yes I can criticize because our minority community don't leave India because of persecution, forced convertion etc. But your minority does. This will always be a difference between us I guess.

 

[Hamza913]

Religion is a belief. No 'truth' in it if you take it logically and ask for solid proofs. But we dont ask proofs or try to authenticate it because we are blind in our beliefs.

BTW It's 'truth' according to you, and not according to non-Muslims. Similarly, their beliefs is 'their truth' and according to 'them', you're the one believing in a falsehood.

I'm sure all this will be out of grasp for someone who has no sense of respect for other religion or faith. So I don't really blame you for it.



Those who can leave - simply leave. Those who can't - convert themselves to get better opportunities and to improve their acceptance in society.

This thread alone is talking about 30,000 such Pakistanis who are all set to leave Pakistan for India so I find it funny when you say 'very few'



Yes I can criticize because our minority community don't leave India because of persecution, forced convertion etc. But your minority does. This will always be a difference between us I guess.

Irrelevant, only one of us can be right and as per us we are right. Therefore, in our country, we will teach it as fact.

30,000 is pretty minimal considering there are millions of Kafirs in Pakistan.

No you can't, because as my previous link clearly shows forced conversions are a thing in Hindustan, and yes your minority does flee your country due to persecution, but you're too arrogant to admit that as previous posts have clearly established.

 

[GHALIB]

Irrelevant, only one of us can be right and as per us we are right. Therefore, in our country, we will teach it as fact.

30,000 is pretty minimal considering there are millions of Kafirs in Pakistan.

No you can't, because as my previous link clearly shows forced conversions are a thing in Hindustan, and yes your minority does flee your country due to persecution, but you're too arrogant to admit that as previous posts have clearly established.

kafirs should have come to india in 1947 .it is not late even today .

 

[SQ8]

Step in the right direction, hopefully Indian muslims will be given the same privileges in India one day too.

 

[Kuru]

Irrelevant, only one of us can be right and as per us we are right. Therefore, in our country, we will teach it as fact.

It's very much relevant because we aren't talking about you and me. We are talking about you - a Pakistani Muslim - and them - Pakistani Hindus. So it's their country too. And according to them, you're the one who believes in falsehood. But you're FORCING them to learn Islamiyat and as a result, they are fleeing Pakistan and seeking a refuge in India. It all sums it up.

30,000 is pretty minimal considering there are millions of Kafirs in Pakistan.

So you mean 30,000 isn't enough so you'll force millions of kafirs to learn Islamiyat so that they also can flee to India ? Wow so this brings us back to square one where Jinnah said that the state has nothing to do with what religion Pakistanis follow. You're overruling Jinnah, aren't you?

forced conversions are a thing in Hindustan, and yes your minority does flee your country due to persecution

Prove it!

Prove that Indian Muslims are fleeing India for Pakistan because of persecution or forced conversions.

And please don't give me any other link and waste each others' time. Give me a link which clearly shows the bold part above. May be then I'll take you seriously.

Step in the right direction, hopefully Indian muslims will be given the same privileges in India one day too.

But Indian Muslims already have those privileges.

 

[Adonis]

Step in the right direction, hopefully Indian muslims will be given the same privileges in India one day too.

What Indians over here claim is there have been Muslim Army Generals, Presidents, Chief Ministers, Governors, Chief Judges, Chief Scientists, Cricket captains etc. in India....So I guess they have all the privileges.
I assume you too must be having such examples for minorities in your country !!

 

[Hamza913]

It's very much relevant because we aren't talking about you and me. We are talking about you - a Pakistani Muslim - and them - Pakistani Hindus. So it's their country too. And according to them, you're the one who believes in falsehood. But you're FORCING them to learn Islamiyat and as a result, they are fleeing Pakistan and seeking a refuge in India. It all sums it up.


So you mean 30,000 isn't enough so you'll force millions of kafirs to learn Islamiyat so that they also can flee to India ? Wow so this brings us back to square one where Jinnah said that the state has nothing to do with what religion Pakistanis follow. You're overruling Jinnah, aren't you?


Prove it!

Prove that Indian Muslims are fleeing India for Pakistan because of persecution or forced conversions.

And please don't give me any other link and waste each others' time. Give me a link which clearly shows the bold part above. May be then I'll take you seriously.


But Indian Muslims already have those privileges.

As I said before, we won't teach falsehood in our schools, and as a result of our efforts many of them are either converting to Islam or at the very least gaining a good understanding of it. Very few of them actually leave the country (a few thousand is nothing compared to the millions that live within the country).

As said before, you clearly don't understand what Jinnah meant since you are failing to comprehend the context of his comments as well as appreciate the others he made.

I'm not diving into that subject again because previously you proved too arrogant (like most Hindustanis on the internet) to accept any of the facts provided. You've also ignored my source showing Hindustani Muslims are being forcefully converted to Hinduism.

 

[Kuru]

As I said before, we won't teach falsehood in our schools, and as a result of our efforts many of them are either converting to Islam or at the very least gaining a good understanding of it. Very few of them actually leave the country (a few thousand is nothing compared to the millions that live within the country).

I got that argument. And I made a counter argument which unfortunately you do the seem to understand. So let me try again.

According to the Pakistani Hindus, you're the one believing and preaching falsehood. So why are you forcing them to study Islamiyat? Will you be okay if they force you to study Hinduism or Christianity (because it's their truth) ?

As said before, you clearly don't understand what Jinnah meant since you are failing to comprehend the context of his comments as well as appreciate the others he made.

So tell me Jinnah's context. Did he say that Pakistan will force non-Muslims to learn Islamiyat? Is this what he meant when he said that the state has nothing to do with the religion of a citizen?

I'm not diving into that subject again because previously you proved too arrogant (like most Hindustanis on the internet) to accept any of the facts provided. You've also ignored my source showing Hindustani Muslims are being forcefully converted to Hinduism.

So you couldn't find a link showing Indian Muslims leaving India for Pakistan due to persecution and forced conversions?

So why did you claim it? Why lie ?

 

[SQ8]

I got that argument. And I made a counter argument which unfortunately you do the seem to understand. So let me try again.

According to the Pakistani Hindus, you're the one believing and preaching falsehood. So why are you forcing them to study Islamiyat? Will you be okay if they force you to study Hinduism or Christianity (because it's their truth) ?


So tell me Jinnah's context. Did he say that Pakistan will force non-Muslims to learn Islamiyat? Is this what he meant when he said that the state has nothing to do with the religion of a citizen?



So you couldn't find a link showing Indian Muslims leaving India for Pakistan due to persecution and forced conversions?

So why did you claim it? Why lie ?

Who forces them to study Islamiyat qtiye?
There is a subject known as civics which all non-muslims in Pakistan take instead of Islamiyat. Get off this thread with your BS.