Yes I am being selective with a Pakistani perspective. But you are welcome to make a counter argument or complain about it. It is a public forum after all.
I said i cant complain about it, and I also understand the reason for being selective. You will also agree that I look from a Indian perspective......there is nothing to complain, probably we both are looking at the same thing from 2 different angles....
As for trust, that’s a subjective and elusive commodity especially in the intelligence community. I can go at length to explain how even the friendliest and closest of countries “DON’T trust each other and hide things from each other but it will take us off topic and some “genius” will pick one sentence from my post and screw the hell out of the entire thread.
I agree with you here, The intelligence community wont even trust their own comrades, so trusting a different country is "Door ki baath"....I also agree how part of posts are picked up and discussed and eventually derailing the thread..... Have gone thru it...
That said, we have a great alternative. its called “acknowledgement” it does wonders and has worked just fine among Pakistani and western agencies, with China and Russia and even India (although never openly admitted). As per the words of Gen Durrani (ex ISI chief) we work with foreign agencies but that doesn’t mean we trust them but we have some common interests even for a time being.. Likewise we keep links and open channels with groups like BLA or Taliban, again it doesn’t mean we agree with them but in order to reach an accord or reconciliation we need to keep that door open.
I agree, I remember listening to a RAW chief who said something like, we do talk to each other ( i mean with Pakistani agencies)....I guess there was a rumor of India providing intel on a likely assassination attempt on Mushraff, though no one acknowledged it, but no one rejected it either. That itself is a confirmation if you ask me....
I agree and you said pretty much already what I said above in my response to your first quoted paragraph. The decision to make an accruement by government depends on 2 things political mileage or operational advantage. First one is purely cosmetic and second one is more practical. First one can be to gain public approval and confidence on the job well done or to lambast at “hostile country” for its attempts.
Though by outlook this govt was supposed to more hostile than the previous one, or most of us was made to believe so...... But in reality i see this govt investing a lot in improving relationship with Pakistan......When was the last time an Indian PM visited Pakistan???? and How many times secret meetings were conducted by NSA's in a third country??? When i look at it This govt approach or they are more pro peace than the previous one, i mean in practical terms...... I guess we can see the results.... .When was the last time there was a firing on LOC???? In last 6 months how many firings happened on LOC??? There was a high level attack on Pathankot and I would say the response from govt was pretty good.... There was no blame game, if not that the extend of blame game was probably the lowest..... I agree there are few hawkish guys who does talk little wild, but then overall the govt was pro peace.... So I believe there will be an acknowledgement from GOI..... and To be honest every govt need public support for any thing to do with Pakistan, If this info is correct and govt managed to kill 10 terrorists based on it, Govt can use this incident as a tool and drive further on peace process, and Public perception would slowly start changing (though it will take several such info).... While i type this post, i just saw a news of RSS supporting peace process..... If they are on board, then the only guys left is Shiv sena and other vanara senas who are insignificant as of now.....
I sometimes throw few terms or explain few terms of counterterrorism (I learned) to see if there is an audience around to appreciate it and engage me on that subject of interest.. 9 out of 10 times such posts go unnoticed and bulk of our community here would rather be indulging in the mind numbing dik wars.
I agree, but i would love to have a conversation with my limited knowledge (layman ) or may be i can learn something from you.....
What I can tell you is like our DGMO hotlines, there are other unofficial channels open where information is shared. Since 911 attacks and American interest in the region specially after involvement of Pakistan in WoT, it was deemed essential to normalize relations with India and key to that was to resolve all outstanding issues, we found it more pressing and beneficial for us than India who has mostly chosen to dismiss any efforts and have a more aggressive attitude and its press also supports the approach from Sir Creek to Siachin or else it can be labelled “prestitute” or “Sickular” (a term coined by the Born again Hindu web warriors on social media).
US is going to be the Key on the other unofficial channels, from what i learnt from different articles, several such messages are conveyed thru american agencies who keep a decent relationship between their counterparts in our respective countries.....I do not know if RAW will be ready to share info on anything in Pakistan due to the risk of exposing the channels..... But over a period of time if such exchanges are done regularly, things would change for good..... let us not forget both the agencies are designed and trained to screw each other.....
Now those "Sickular" and "Presstitues" Well I agree this is a new term invented recently and has been used widely, and I also have been on the receiving end along with others for being a secular......I would like to say more on it, but that would turn this thread into a different direction.....
Regardless of how India “uses” the situation to its advantage my view is to continue with this cooperation because even if India chooses not to see the mutual benefit.
I dont think India would want to stop such cooperation, because end of the day it is India which is getting benefited...... So this is going to continue....
Finally. If the things work out well in the end for India then India will take the entire credit for it but if it doesn’t then Pakistan can be blamed for inaccurate or missing information or “confessing” to the fact that its territory is used by terrorists against India.
I do not think that is the case here, if it was then this 3 terrorist news would not have been released, let us not forget no one knows where they were killed and what ever infomation provided is only from Govt sources, If govt wanted to hide and take credit, no one could stop them..... But I dont think they will do it here......
