2nd pilot

[Jackdaws]

Second pilot was Sikh a pilot of SU-30, his co pilot / navigator fell in IOK.

Pilot died in CMH while on the other hand India also wants to avoid humiliation and denied second jet shoot down, Pakistan get the opportunity and also change the statement.

And he was an orphan like Oliver Twist except Oliver Twist had friends. In fact he more like Mowgli and grew up all alone in the jungle. Somewhere in the jungle he converted to Sikhism. And learned to fly a plane. And managed to join the IAF. A Pak pilot named Sher Khan got him. The whole jungle cried. But no human mourned him. Not even the ghost of Rudyard Kipling. It all makes perfect sense.

 

[sparten]

All they have to say to his family is that the plane crashed somewhere in the mountains and they are looking for the body.
Hiding a death is basically impossible.
Hiding it’s circumstsnces? Easy.

 

[ajpirzada]

my father is an army medical specialist at CMH . i'll say it right here . the second pilot didn't survive .

can you please also say who was the second pilot as per your father's information?

 

[The Accountant]

Then pakistan is fool or coward , when you have a golden opportunity to kill your enemy and shame him in front of whole world.
Actually you did have 1 pilot to ask for peace why scared to show seconf pilot dead body.
All fake it was paf pilot morons.

We came out on top in one skirmish does not mean we start behaving like indians .. no matter how better we r ... war means destruction and the party loosing will bring in nuclear weapons ... so war between india and pakistan is end of the world and should be started only if there is no other option ...

Its not like i m afraid of dying but suicide is not my style

 

[alphibeti]

my take on the 2nd pilot...

What we know: ISPR guy said that the 2nd pilot had been taken to the hospital. Imran Khan also mentioned two pilots in his speech. ISPR later said that Pakistan only has one pilot in captivity. Few days later, in Kamran Khan show, ISPR guy again mentioned the 2nd pilot and said he had died.

Four possible explanations:
1. Mistake: Only one pilot was captured. But, somehow, the information which was forwarded to the higher command was that two pilots were captured.
This explanation could have been possible but there is a problem. ISPR mentioned that the 2nd pilot was taken to the hospital. It is somewhat easy to imagine that 'one pilot' became 'two pilots' when the information was being forwarded. But it is very difficult to imagine that the person who made this mistake also added extra information saying that the '2nd pilot' had been taken to the CMH.
2. Our own pilot: If (1) is not true... then maybe the 2nd pilot was our own pilot.
There is a serious problem with this explanation. If our own plane was indeed shot down then the PAF would know this and they would be looking for the 2nd pilot. It is almost impossible to imagine that PAF would have confused their own pilot with the IAF pilot when they already knew that their pilot was missing. Moreover, ISPR guy had mentioned that no F-16 had been shot down. This means that ISPR was in touch with the PAF and did verify if the Indian claim was true or not. If PAF was looking for a missing pilot, ISPR would have known this. There was no reason to mention the 2nd pilot when the 2nd pilot was our own.
3. Israeli pilot: The 2nd pilot was an Israeli pilot.
Some media persons have mentioned that this is indeed the case. This may answer several questions. For example, why did ISPR go back on its original claim? why did ISPR not share details of this 2nd pilot?
But why would an Israeli pilot take part in a mission against PAF after PAF made a warning attack on Indian army installations? IAF response was not pre-planned. An Israeli pilot would only take part in such an operation if he has a prior approval for any such eventuality. It is too much to swallow that Israel would intentionally take part in dogfight like operations in the subcontinent. It is too much of a risk for no good reason.
4. Indian pilot: If (1), (2) and (3) are not true... then the 2nd pilot was an IAF pilot.
But if this is the case then why did ISPR change its stand after few hours? One reason could be that the 2nd pilot died. Pakistan decided against making this information public as this would have escalated the crisis. There is some support for this explanation. ISPR guy recently mentioned in Kamran Khan show that the 2nd pilot had died.

I think that (4) is more likely to be true. (1) and (2) requires too many lapses in how information is forwarded to the higher command. Many of such lapses would involve hallucination. (3) is not worth it from Isreal's perspective.

Talking about the second pilot is off the mark. ISPR has clearly said that one Indian pilot was returned while the other died. His body has probably already been handed over to Red Cross in Pakistan. The locals in Azad J&K have talked about three pilots coming down in several video clips. So we should talk about the third pilot - not the second one. As has been revealed right on this platform (PDF), the SU-30 was flying 40K-45K feet high when it was targeted with BVRs. Also that SU-30 was in fact in electronic warfare configuration having jamming pods on it. My guess is that the Israeli pilot was in fact operating these electronic pods while occupying the rear seat of SU-30. If true then Israel has actively participated in war against Pakistan. That is in fact a declaration of war by Israel against Pakistan. Just my two cents.

 

[nomi007]

may be 2nd pilot was Israeli

 

[The Accountant]

Second pilot was pakistani.
Or
Pakistan is so scared of spanking that he didnt able to admit he 1 pilot so much of so called bravery

Oh please u are coward or you lost your jet
No other option.

Ok lets assume we lost our 1 jet but by that definition u lost 2 jets ... verifiable jet lost is 1 ... and thats indian ...

 

[ajpirzada]

Ok lets assume we lost our 1 jet but by that definition u lost 2 jets ... verifiable jet lost is 1 ... and thats indian ...

good point... only one plane/pilot is verifiable and that's Indian.

 

[Maarkhoor]

And he was an orphan like Oliver Twist except Oliver Twist had friends. In fact he more like Mowgli and grew up all alone in the jungle. Somewhere in the jungle he converted to Sikhism. And learned to fly a plane. And managed to join the IAF. A Pak pilot named Sher Khan got him. The whole jungle cried. But no human mourned him. Not even the ghost of Rudyard Kipling. It all makes perfect sense.

 

[MikeZulu]

have

A question from a non expert

What was doing a Su30 pilot in a Mi17 while jets were fighting ?

Maybe his jet (the famous Su30) was shit down and the Mi 17 was bringing his body elsewhere?

Maybe they shot the helicopter carrying the dead body themselves to make up the "crash due to technical reasons" story because they don't give a damn about the common soldiers lives as they killed their own soldiers in Pulwama.

 

[My-Analogous]

There were claims of two IAF pilots under arrest by Pakistan. One ( Wg Cmdr Abhinandan ) was caught alive and second was referred to CMH because of his injuries . Secondly there was a blur picture shown on Ary news , which showed a man lying down . There is no one talking about that pilot . India has also only asked for one pilot ( Wg Cmdr Abhinandan ). So what Happened to that mysterious second pilot. @Windjammer @HRK @DesertFighter @AhmetPasha
@Imran Khan

Israel didn't claim it back but Pakistan did something about him. I have unconfirmed report that Pakistan gifted that to KSA

 

[Aamir Hussain]

If some Israeli jamming equipment was being being used then it has to be on the Mirage 2000+ a/c and not SU 30.

 

[HAIDER]

One plane fell on Indian side. That wreckage in Indian possession.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan MK, old man, ever misunderstood! How you play the Indians, we like!

The only thing I find STUPID in this Game is of letting go of INS sub.

PNS should have killed it. India was in NO position to claim it. And it would have been later declared.... drowned due to technical difficulties. One INS asset would have been less to worry about. Neither Pak needed to claim the kill nor India had to own it. Win-Win paradigm.

Here in the blame lies NOT with PNS but with higher up Peacenicks... @Khafee , as I had said, PNS is a very creative force... the most underestimated and least praised of Pak Armed Forces... which is actually a good thing.

War is not over. No time for glee or celebration. This is NOT a war between India or Pak. But the battle ground of the Old World Order and the Asian Centric World for last 20 years!

A strong and prosperous Pak is not in the strategic interests of the Old World Order.

Pak State has masterfully avoided IMF so far. KSA-UAE combine came in with full force in this regard. If Pak State could accelerate its negotiations with the NS cartle and agree to 50% return of looted wealth then IMF would not be required. But NS cartle is playing sick... time for harsher measures perhaps?

War is stupid. Only stupid want war.

Winning without battle is the real thing. But then PDF fanboys would be bored. @WebMaster

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Hi,

Yessir---Pak navy should have allowed the indian sub to come as far as it wanted to and then taken her out without any fanfare---.

The dead souls of the Atlantique had to be avenged---.

Pakistani muslims claim that they are not afraid to die---but when the true moment came to smash the enemy---at TWO occasions simultaneously---Pak military command cowed down---first the air attack---when two waves of enemy aircraft were coming in at two different location---anywhere from 30---50 aircraft---.

The 3rd major occasion was the ingress of the indian sub---a scorpene at that---letting that sub get away is a court martial offence---.

You pakistani kids don't know that the Paf and military command was happy with shooing off the enemy air force the first time---.

If there was no cry from the inner ranks and the higher up pakistani civilians---Paf would have done nothing---.

Majority of the pak establishment hierarchy was satisfied that we confronted the enemy right away and let it go---and as there was no damage---then there was no issue---.

 

[Zarvan]