27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[z9-ec]

You questioned me in a manner more suitable to the subject. Unlike the other poster in the post above yours, who chose to show his family background to the world.

Here is the link, showing F16's . Remember that the PAF is going blue in the face denying the use of the Vipers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101442315015544832

Also @Knuckles @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

THOSE ARE IAF SU-30.

HOW ridiculous can you be?

 

[Hamza913]

You questioned me in a manner more suitable to the subject. Unlike the other poster in the post above yours, who chose to show his family background to the world.

Here is the link, showing F16's . Remember that the PAF is going blue in the face denying the use of the Vipers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101442315015544832

Also @Knuckles @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

Vipers and Thunders look pretty similar. I can't really tell which one of them it is, all I know is that it's right behind the Fishbed. To be honest, it could even be one of India's aircraft going behind the Fishbed.

And again, even if it is a Viper, that doesn't prove it got shot down lol. That's the main point of contention, did India shoot down a Viper? And the answer seems to be no.

 

[z9-ec]

We live in BVR era and this guy wants us to assume that video is of PAF?

HOW RIDICULOUS.

You are like your failed IAF Chiefs and Generals.

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Vipers and Thunders look pretty similar. I can't really tell which one of them it is, all I know is that it's right behind the Fishbed. To be honest, it could even be one of India's aircraft going behind the Fishbed.

And again, even if it is a Viper, that doesn't prove it got shot down lol. That's the main point of contention, did India shoot down a Viper? And the answer seems to be no.

No, But I don't think I claimed a shootdown of an F16. This clip shows that F16's were used.

 

[ptldM3]

Actually there is clear evidence by local eye witnesses IAF lost 3 jets, 2 fighters and 1 Helicopter.

So were are those jets? Were is the wreckage? Someone would have surly taken cell phone video/photos. How wouldn't eye witnesses even tell the difference between Indian and Pakistani aircraft/pilots from thousands of feet?

I'm 100% using evidence, you on the other hand are giving me rumors and conspiracies.

One fighter shot down in Pakistan and pilot caught.

About the only factual event so far.

Second, IAF Su 30Mki/Mig-29 was shot down 7 Km from Gerand Kallan J&K Village near Budgan,

No Mig-29s were ever involved. Instead Mirages and SU-30MKI were dispatched to deal with approaching Pakistani aircraft but they never violated Pakistani airspace unlike the Mig-21 which chased Pakistani aircraft. The Mig-21/s were in the area alone, the Mirages and MKIs never pressed the attack into Pakistani controlled airspace, they deterred F-16 (yes Pakistan used F-16 despite the denials).

There was the one Mig-21 and it got shot down. The rest of your argument is nonsense.

and third, the Mi-17 helicopter which burst in mid-air over Budgan, suddenly was either shot down by A-to-A missile or a launchpad from air to ground missile all at the same time 27/02/2019 dated. Not a coincidence or technical failure is it?

Pakistan didn't even claim to have downed a helicopter so even Pakistani claims contradict your claims and yes helicopters do break up in mid air due to stress fractures in the tail and or the roters. In war time you would be shocked how many helicopters NATO lost in Afghanistan and Iraq due to mechanical malfunctions. During war attrition rates are much higher than in piece time due to high sorties and sometimes hastily rushing aircraft before they are ready.


NATO including contract aircraft lost 167 aircraft in Afghanistan. Only 35 were from hostile fire including ones destroyed on the ground.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan

 

[Hamza913]

No, But I don't think I claimed a shootdown of an F16. This clip shows that F16's were used.

It really doesn't. Again, Thunders and Vipers look pretty damn similar to each other. Especially when zooming so fast.

But I am impressed that a fight of some sort was actually recorded (a tiny blast is barely caught at the end). However, this isn't enough to prove a Viper went down, or was even used.

I'd like to hear the thoughts of more learned users on this topic:

@Horus @Bilal Khan 777 @Windjammer @Dazzler @Dubious @Oscar

 

[Windjammer]

You questioned me in a manner more suitable to the subject. Unlike the other poster in the post above yours, who chose to show his family background to the world.

Here is the link, showing F16's . Remember that the PAF is going blue in the face denying the use of the Vipers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101442315015544832

Also @Knuckles @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

Dear Lord, you remind me of the reporter during the Gulf war, there was a B-52 flying over head and he was screaming fighter aircraft.....take a close look, if nothing else you can see solid pointed nose on both aircraft.
The MiG-21 has a cone sticking out....if I'm not mistaken these both look like JF-17s or F-16s.

 

[The Accountant]

You questioned me in a manner more suitable to the subject. Unlike the other poster in the post above yours, who chose to show his family background to the world.

Here is the link, showing Two seater F16's ADF BN ( Did I get the name wrong ?) . Remember that the PAF is going blue in the face denying the use of the Vipers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101442315015544832

Also @Knuckles @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

An aircraft in a fight and that too in a chase mode will be flying that slow ?

Do u know what mach 2 is ? These are some random video that prove nothing ...

 

[Telescopic Sight]

WTH was that! Its like a WVR Within Visual Range chase, and I donot see a F16. How the hell then your Air Chief showed a BVR (Beyond Visual Range) more than 100 km distance AIM-20 C5 Missile on screen as a F16 shot down.

JF-17s, Mirages were frontline offensive jets used with escort missions run by F16s.

Oh you misunderstood the clip ! Both the jets are F 16 ADF 2 seaters !
Its not a scooter race that the IAF and the PAF plane will be so close to each other

@Windjammer : Even you misunderstood my post ?

 

[ptldM3]

We all know you're only crying because it's your birds that got taken out.

The Bison shot down is essential not even Russian. It used Israeli F-16 avionics and Russia hasn't used the Mig-21 in decades it was also built in India.


Your bogus conspiracies got busted now you are tap dancing.

 

[Hamza913]

Oh you misunderstood the clip ! Both the jets are F 16 ADF 2 seaters !
Its not a scooter race that the IAF and the PAF plane will be so close to each other

First plane is clearly a Fishbed. It's nose looks all funny and I doubt Pakistan would use a freaking Fishcan during an offensive engagement, it's primarily an interceptor.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

You questioned me in a manner more suitable to the subject. Unlike the other poster in the post above yours, who chose to show his family background to the world.

Here is the link, showing Two seater F16's ADF BN ( Did I get the name wrong ?) . Remember that the PAF is going blue in the face denying the use of the Vipers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1101442315015544832

Also @Knuckles @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

Both aircraft looks like JF-17 Thunders to me

 

[Telescopic Sight]

First plane is clearly a Fishbed. It's nose looks all funny and I doubt Pakistan would use a freaking Fishcan during an offensive engagement, it's primarily an interceptor.

No Bison in this clip. Both Vipers.
I apologize for not being more detailed in my post, 2 other members also misunderstood me.

 

[Hamza913]

The Bison shot down is essential not even Russian. It used Israeli F-16 avionics and Russia hasn't used the Mig-21 in decades it was also built in India.


Your bogus conspiracies got busted now you are tap dancing.

Lmao there is nothing "bogus", the evidence indicates that a 2nd dual seater aircraft got destroyed, and it's not a Viper since there's no evidence of such and the US hasn't been squealing over Pakistan misusing and abusing American weaponry (as they would do in such a situation).

Not only that, but India openly admitted to using Sukhois in this situation. Which lends credence to the Sukhoi hypothesis.

No Bison in this clip. Both Vipers.
I apologize for not being more detailed in my post, 2 other members also misunderstood me.

The first one for sure doesn't look like a Viper lol, it's wings and nose are all wrong. Even the 2nd one is iffy. Like I said, Thunders and Vipers look pretty similar to one another.

 

[qamsss]

Both aircraft looks like JF-17 Thunders to me

Both are jf17s i have a very clear video.