$255M for Akash SAMs: Armenia Signs Another Arms Deal with India

[Foinikas]

REALITY HURTS DAYDREAMERS


I am not talking about Turkish Defense Industry here

I am showing reality to all daydreamers what about Azerbaijan with Turkish TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs and other weapons to hit Indian AHASH SAM and ATAGS Howitzer

Your countries can not change anything against Azerbaijan
Armenia never can match wiith Azerbaijan which has superior Turkish and Israeli weapons



It has 200+ km range

Source : official website of BAYKAR

KEMANKEŞ Mini Intelligent Cruise Missile

KEMANKEŞ is a mini intelligent cruise missile developed nationally and originally by Baykar to be operationalized against strategic objectives. KEMANK

baykartech.com

Basic flight performance criteria

• 0.7 Mach (720 km/h) Max Speed
• Jet Engine
• 0.3 Mach (360km/h) Cruise Speed
• 18.000 Feet Operational Altitude
• 1 Hour Endurance
• EO Camera
• 1.73 Meters Length
• 0.4 Meters Hight
• 1.25 Meters Wingspan
• 30 Kilogram Weight
• 6 Kilogram Payload Capacity
• 200 km+ Operation Range

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YOUR reality.

 

[MMM-E]

Or u are talking about some upgraded version?
But the question is
Can Akinci scan the whole surface within 300km radius to effectively use its munitions?
Or simply putting:what is the range of EO sensors of Akinci?
Or the range of Akinci Radar for vehicles moving on ground.

KEMANKES is mini smart cruise missile operates autonomously with an artificial intelligence-supported autopilot system

KEMANKES conducts all line-of-sight communications over the unmanned platform it is attached to, it can transmit telemetry data and video to the ground control station through the attached main platform




man-in-the-loop capability
KEMANKES can perform target detection autonomously through the EO/IR Camera
and to hit targets with point accuracy

provides real-time video and image capture capabilities
Its one-hour endurance ensures extended periods of operation for gathering critical intelligence and executing precise strikes

With an impressive operation range of 200 km this cruise missile can cover vast distances, expanding the scope of its missions. Whether it’s surveillance, reconnaissance, or targeted strikes

BAYKAR has developed KEMANKES Missile for TB-2 UCAVs to hit AD Systems such as PANTSIR , BUK , TOR , AKASH from safe distance

Armenia only can dream about these technologies

 

[altafahmed]

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What is the driving force behind Armenia's decision of buying weapons from India? why not buy it from Russia, China or any other western country?
I am not saying they should not but it from India, I just want to know the reason.

 

[Foinikas]

What is the driving force behind Armenia's decision of buying weapons from India? why not buy it from Russia, China or any other western country?
I am not saying they should not but it from India, I just want to know the reason.

I think one factor is that they don't want to risk Russia getting too angry on them right now,so they don't try to go for Western equipment.

Another factor is the money. They are a small country with a very tight budget.

I don't know why they don't buy from China,North Korea or Iran. It seems illogical why they're not buying drones from Iran which is right next to them and is the only country that supports them in the region,now that Russia has stopped caring so much.

Before Pashinyan's government,Armenia bought Russian weapons and equipment. After Pashinyan came to power,some decisions and weapons purchases made little sense. They gave a lot of money to buy Su-30SMs from Russia but...without weapons,as Pashinyan admitted after the war. They bought used and outdated OSA systems from Jordan. They didn't buy any drones from China,Iran or Russia.

 

[serenity]

They bought from India because Armenia is basically against Azerbaijan and Turkey, Azerbaijan and Turkey are with Pakistan and so sort of on the other side of India.

Similar reason why India and Greece are sort of aligned because Pakistan and Turkey are mutual "others".

China is not for or against either Armenia or Azerbaijan. Selling to either while they are at war would seriously piss the other off and more importantly, annoy the bigger powers behind each respective side... look at how each side is tied to - Greece, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Russia, West, Christian side and Muslim side.

 

[Trisolaran]

They bought from India because Armenia is basically against Azerbaijan and Turkey, Azerbaijan and Turkey are with Pakistan and so sort of on the other side of India.

Similar reason why India and Greece are sort of aligned because Pakistan and Turkey are mutual "others".

China is not for or against either Armenia or Azerbaijan. Selling to either while they are at war would seriously piss the other off and more importantly, annoy the bigger powers behind each respective side... look at how each side is tied to - Greece, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Russia, West, Christian side and Muslim side.

There is no Christian-Muslim side tbh. Iran as a Muslim state help Armenia more than Russia and Israel is one of the biggest supporter of Azerbaijan

 

[MMM-E]

YOUR reality.

REALITY is one for everyone .. and smart-educated People sees the REALITY


Azerbaijan has Israeli HAROP kamikaze Drones which destroyed Armenian AD Systems including S-300

Indian AKASH SAM can not match with TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs , HAROP and other Kamikaze Drones ,,.... also land based Missiles


in 2020
Azerbaijan used TB-2 UCAVs armed with only 8-15 km MAM-L laser guided munition

This is 2023
Azerbaijan bought AKINCI strategic strike UCAVs armed with long range missiles
and TB-2 UCAVs getting 200 km KEMANKES mini smart cruise missile


Armenia with Indian AKASH SAMs
-- 30/40 km AKASH
-- 70/80 km AKASH-NG

Azerbaijan with Turkish TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs
-- 80 km TOLUN-IIR
-- 150 km CAKIR
-- 150 km IHA-230
-- 180 km KUZGUN-TJ
-- 200 km KEMANKES


Armenia is nothing for India except arms customer
Azerbaijan is everything for Turkiye ..... ( real brother - strategic partner )

Azerbaijan has bigger economy and population with superior military capability

Armenia has no any chance against Azerbaijan
3 Countries are enough for Azerbaijan to buy all kinds of Weapons
( Turkiye-Pakistan-Israel )

 

[Foinikas]

REALITY is one for everyone .. and smart-educated People sees the REALITY


Azerbaijan has Israeli HAROP kamikaze Drones which destroyed Armenian AD Systems including S-300

Indian AKASH SAM can not match with TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs , HAROP and other Kamikaze Drones ,,.... also land based Missiles


in 2020
Azerbaijan used TB-2 UCAVs armed with only 8-15 km MMAM-L laser guided munition

This is 2023
Azerbaijan bought AKINCI strategic strike UCAVs armed with long range missiles
and TB-2 UCAVs getting 200 km KEMANKES mini smart cruise missile


Armenia with Indian AKASH SAMs
-- 30/40 km AKASH
-- 70/80 km AKASH-NG

Azerbaijan with Turkish TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs
-- 80 km TOLUN-IIR
-- 150 km CAKIR
-- 150 km IHA-230
-- 180 km KUZGUN-TJ
-- 200 km KEMANKES


Armenia is nothing for India except arms customer
Azerbaijan is everything for Turkiye ..... ( real brother - strategic partner )

Azerbaijan has bigger economy and populattion

Armenia has no any chance against Azerbaijan
3 Countries are enough for Azerbaijan to buy all kinds of Weapons
( Turkiye-Pakistan-Israel )

Do you understand plain english? I told you it's annoying and tiresome to repeat the same lists of Turkish products. You've already shared them like...4-5 times on this thread.

I also told you this thread is for Armenia,not to showcase and promote Turkish projects.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The military-industrial complex of India is larger and more advanced than those of North Korea, Iran, or Turkey. However, it's also evident that it falls short in comparison to the military-industrial complexes of China and Russia.

 

[MMM-E]

Do you understand plain english? I told you it's annoying and tiresome to repeat the same lists of Turkish products. You've already shared them like...4-5 times on this thread.

Indian boys are dreaming with AKASH-NG for victory against Azerbaijan which use Turkish UCAVS

Armenia buys AKASH SAMs to stop Turkish UCAVs which destroyed $1 billion Armenian military equipment

I am showing reality to all daydreamers what about Azerbaijan with Turkish TB-2 , AKINCI UCAVs and other weapons to hit Indian AHASH SAM and ATAGS Howitzer



Your posts 4-5 times on this thread ... on the wrong line
My posts are not to showcase and promote Turkish projects

My posts are what about Indian AKASH against TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs
Military power analysis between the two countries
( balance of power between Armenia and Azerbaijan )

 

[MMM-E]

The military-industrial complex of India is larger and more advanced than those of North Korea, Iran, or Turkey. However, it's also evident that it falls short in comparison to the military-industrial complexes of China and Russia.

Turkiye has far better and more advanced defense industry than India

Indian Warships are nothing without Italian Naval Gun , Russian CIWS , Israeli-French Radars and Israeli SAM

even Russia gave BRAHMOS missile technology to India
India could not develop even UCAV and unmanned Fighter Jet

India lacks high quality E/O Systems, Avionics, Targeting Pod , GAN AESA Radar for Fighter Jets

Indian AMCA project is still on paper

 

[hyperman]

so they can accomplish this.

Accomplish what? if they start a war and if there is no outside intervention on their behalf, they are likely getting Skullfked and end up possibly losing Zangezur.

Their economy has grown a lot recently, double digit growth and currency appreciation has nearly doubled their GDP in 1 or 2 years.

Its from the Russian proxy import and exports, a bit inflated.

 

[hyperman]

If a war happens again between these countries, then, it wouldn’t be as easy as it turned out last time. That is for sure.

Yeah this time it might be even easier. lol. Have you looked at the geography recently? That entire Buffer Armenia had built up is gone, they lost significant ground on strategic heights as well, and now they have a narrow corridor in Zangezur which is surrounded by Azerbaijan on both sides in Zangilan and Nakchivan..

They had an old version of it,the S-300PS. I think the one that was destroyed was turned off? But then again,like you said,they didn't perform well. At least not as expected. Unless they were told not to try to shoot down drones.

Generally,the majority of their systems,which were older Soviet versions,didn't do much. And the ones that were pretty good,like the Tor-M2K were in very small numbers and not used much.

Tor did get used, there is footage of it getting blown up.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

India lacks high quality E/O Systems, Avionics, Targeting Pod , GAN AESA Radar for Fighter Jets

●DRDO developed shipborne AESA radar on INS Anvesh and Dhruv

●Uttam AESA radar

●DRDO 4D AESA radar

●Digital RWR for Indian fighters

●D29 EW suites for IAF MIG29 UPGs

BEL To Supply D-29 EW Suites for IAF MiG-29s And Establish EW Test Range

BEL and Indian MoD have signed two contracts for establishing an EW test range and to supply about 42 D-29 systems for IAF's MiG-29UPG fleet.

www.overtdefense.com

●Jamming pods that DRDO has developed for LCA MK1A and SU-30 MKI are based on GaN T/R modules. Confirmed by a DRDO scientist @3:27:

We have achieved something which even French do not have. Our Rafale's SPECTRA still has GaA jamming, whilst our LCA Mk1A will have GaN based HBJ pods/EW suite from its first model next year. These ASPJ/HBJ pods we've developed for LCA-Mk-1A & Su-30MKI are both capable of transmitting and receiving, thus consisting of both TX and RX antennas.

This configuration would allow both the fighters to do cross-eye jamming much effectively, thereby deceiving the enemy radar by creating false targets.

MKI is already a very powerful jet, just imagine the kind of jamming power at its disposal with GaN EW suite. It will have power to make even AESA LPI radars and AESA missile seekers totally ineffective like SPECTRA

●E/O Systems developed by DRDO for Indian helicopters and UAVs

 

[hyperman]

What is the driving force behind Armenia's decision of buying weapons from India? why not buy it from Russia, China or any other western country?
I am not saying they should not but it from India, I just want to know the reason.

NATO will not sell to a CSTO state for obvious reason, despite all the diaspora hauling, and anti turkish sentiment in the west or some in the west backing Armenia on sectarian grounds, the ground reality is that Armenia is a Russian client state with ties to Iran, that makes it a big nono for western powers to supply weaponry, that might be exploited by the Iranians or the Russia due to their deep links inside the Armenian military.

The Russian currently are preoccupied with Ukraine full time, so they couldn't supply it even if Armenia wanted to buy Russian. The Chinese are neutral, but I think the Chinese see the Azeris as a better investment in developing relations and sales(JF-17/J-10s were offered previously), and Azerbaijan is a bigger market. That leaves the Indians in a process of elimination.