$255M for Akash SAMs: Armenia Signs Another Arms Deal with India

[Zarvan]

It would be India equipping Armenia and Pakistan and Turkey together equipping Azerbaijan.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

It would be India equipping Armenia and Pakistan and Turkey together equipping Azerbaijan.

It's not over yet. The game has just begun

 

[surmabhopali]

Armenians don't really have a choice this junk is cheap and available, they can't really buy anything without rocking the boat

I haven't seen them purchase anything that would change the situation for them against Azerbaijan

Ha ha ha
Ukrainians are crying after getting pakistani rockets made in darra adam khel , all rockets are bursting in the barrels or in silos .

 

[migflug]

I’m (barely) old enough to remember how Japanese products were branded crap right till the 70s.

I think many of us rememebr the contempt people had (and some have still) for “Chinese maal”.

First they laugh at you, etc etc.

It’s great news for India’s defence industry because it’s progress, however incremental, in terms of showcasing a product. You all need that first break - whether it’s a person or an organisation or a nation.

करत करत अभ्यास के जड़मति होत सुजान; रसरी आवत जात ते सिल पर परत निसान"

 

[hussain0216]

Ha ha ha
Ukrainians are crying after getting pakistani rockets made in darra adam khel , all rockets are bursting in the barrels or in silos .

Yeahhhhh so much so that Pakistan has just shipped a further 200 containers of weapons and supplies

And follow on orders have already been made and are being produced

 

[kmc_chacko]

It would be India equipping Armenia and Pakistan and Turkey together equipping Azerbaijan.

Yeahhhhh so much so that Pakistan has just shipped a further 200 containers of weapons and supplies

And follow on orders have already been made and are being produced

We both are doing what US & USSR use to do in 70s

 

[Foinikas]

Kind of want to see another war between Azerbaijan and Armenia to see how badly this Indian crap will perform

Ahahahahaha oh come on

 

[CallSignMaverick]

It would be India equipping Armenia and Pakistan and Turkey together equipping Azerbaijan.

With what?

 

[Azadkashmir]

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this cream is needed for those who bought the lca teja somosas.

 

[VkdIndian]

India HAS NO SKIN in the Armenia Azeri dispute. All we care about is the fact that INDIA'S DEFENCE INDUSTRIES EXPORTS are expanding at 20-30% per annum.

That’s the main point.

Duffers start linking these arm deals to everything they can imagine.

Whether, Armenia uses these weapons to fight or display them in a parade is their problem. How effectively a weapon is used isn’t in Indian hands.

If a war happens again between these countries, then, it wouldn’t be as easy as it turned out last time. That is for sure.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ha ha ha
Ukrainians are crying after getting pakistani rockets made in darra adam khel , all rockets are bursting in the barrels or in silos .

Meanwhile your own artillery guns and tanks are bursting due to faulty imports, Chinese third tier parts and stupidity.

In the huge quantity of old stocks of grads, a few bad ones are bound to encountered.

With what?

Next to everything.
From Guided MLRS, fighters, gunships, choppers, tanks, IFV, AFVs, SAMs, smal arms, UCAVs, stand off weapons, trainers, Radars, Jammers etc

We both are doing what US & USSR use to do in 70s

Well to be frank even in the 70s, India was selling ammo to CIA to be used against their best buddy USSR.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

Meanwhile your own artillery guns and tanks are bursting due to faulty imports, Chinese third tier parts and stupidity

Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) was the lead design agency in a project ably partnered by the Bharat Forge, Tata Power and Tata Advanced Systems Limited

 

[Faceless]

Armenian Akash SAM vs Azerbaijan Barak-8/MR-SAM

Akash NG's dual-pulse rocket motor is a major advance over the legacy Akash's ramjet engine.

"The Akash NG features DRDO's dual pulse rocket motor too, a powerful seeker (approx 2x the performance of that on the Astra Mk1, QRSAM), and is specifically tailored for low RCS threats."
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Name apart, this is a radically new system which overhauls the entire Akash architecture and has little resemblance to its predecessor. It offers the IAF and Armenian Armed Forces a totally Indian alternative for the MRSAM joint venture (Barak-8 being the purely Israeli variant). Judging by its revealed architecture and system details, the Akash NG will likely have equivalent or even better performance than the MR-SAM. As can be expected, IAF representatives were present during the trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644719709747544064

The Akash NG features DRDO's dual pulse rocket motor too, a powerful seeker (approximately 2x the performance of that on the Astra Mk1, QRSAM), and is specifically tailored for low Radar Cross Section threats. The threat class also indicates it will field DRDO's new laser fuse. Intercepting highly maneuvering targets is where the Dual Pulse motor will be particularly useful. The seeker can target velocities up to the SRBM class clearly indicating a limited TMD role, similar to that of the Barak-8. Considering a missile/ rocket barrage is an increasing threat for many forward bases of IAF and Armenian Army/AF, this is a useful capability to have.
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Unlike the MRSAM, this is not a vertical launch system(Akash NG's have square canisters).There are tradeoffs here. On the one hand the missile need not carry excess weight in the form of thrust vector control or a nose cone with motors to slew it (Brahmos style, and which would impede lock on before launch), implying better range. A slant /turntable mechanism would give it better reaction times too. However dealing with multi axis surge attacks would be a challenge unless DRDO had each launcher address a sector independently. This is exactly what they have done.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1582268317141987329

Take a quick look at the image above.What you see is India's first combined Radar and Launcher setup beyond the short range Trishul program. The image clearly shows a 4 panel AESA Multi Function radar setup, similar to that developed for the QRSAM program.What you see is India's first combined Radar and Launcher setup beyond the short range Trishul program. The image clearly shows a 4 panel AESA Multi Function radar setup, similar to that developed for the QRSAM program.

Towards the rear, behind the initial smoke plume, you can see another slanted panel. So 360 degree coverage, with the thinner strip panels for IFF. The radar in all likelihood will be more powerful than that on the QRSAM. It has to be, as the Akash NGs envelope will be around 2.5-3x that of the QRSAM’s. The radar has to look and guide further.

In short, unless this is a test setup alone (which doesn't seem likely, why go to all that trouble for this configuration) each Akash NG can have an independent battery by itself, mobile and lethal. It can relocate on its own and unlike comparable Russian systems, the radar is fully multi-function with limited dependence on its Surveillance Radar beyond Early Warning. It is also AESA, something the Russians are yet to broadbase on their SAM systems.

Given the radars capacity, it wouldn't be beyond DRDO to pair this radar with independent launchers too. They'd complement the units with the radar-missile mix. Perhaps, operating as launchers plus loaders with spare missiles.

All in all, there are many interesting possibilities in play if DRDO chooses to go ahead with this configuration.

We can also expect future variants of this radar to have an EO pod with a long range thermal Imager, day camera and a long range laser finder as a back up to the radar allowing it to mount nearly undetectable attacks (very few fighters have laser warning systems). Again, similar to the QRSAM system.

While colocating the radar and missiles may open up their vulnerability to Anti Radiation Missiles, these are AESA systems, not easy to track or counter. Remote operation would be possible and knocking out a radar merely takes one launcher off the table. In the MRSAM architecture, unless there are backups, the single radar is the key FCR for its launchers. With the Akash NG, targeting a single radar is not enough to shut down a multi-launcher threat, each with its own sensors.

In short, this is a much more lethal system. And all this in a compact footprint as DRDO notes.

In the next iteration we will likely see the Akash NGs AESA based long range surveillance radar too. Via a command post the whole setup will be linked to the IAFs IACCS, with engagement efficacy being dramatically boosted by access to the IAFs wider sensor network.

Overall, the Akash NG program offers India a very capable and credible alternative to reliance on imported systems, which come with more restrictions and can't be rapidly reconfigured to Indian requirements. The IAF and Armenian Armed Forces would be well served to induct it, and have DRDO develop more variants for enhanced range profiles and threat classes.

@Cheepek @CallSignMaverick @Puffin @hussain0216 @Zarvan @Communism @MMM-E

Akash NG seems to be a crucial part of India's integrated battle Group Concept.

I remember reading about armed forces using MRSAM as a 2nd layer of air defense for protecting moving armoured columns, during an excercise of the integrated battle group.
So now we have 2 dedicated SAM systems for that job QRSAM for the short Range and Akash NG for the medium range (Although it seems like Akas NG can also be used for protecting static objects like airbases)
Aakash NG looks like the big brother of QRSAM (similar combined Radar Vehicle and Launch vehicle).

 

[Zarvan]

With what?

Well, with MRL, Artillery, Air Defense, Anti Tank weapons and other such systems made by Turkey and Pakistan. Not to forget drones.

 

[surmabhopali]

Yeahhhhh so much so that Pakistan has just shipped a further 200 containers of weapons and supplies

And follow on orders have already been made and are being produced

Pakistani Made Grad rockets not Good

Pakistani ammunition has already created its name in the world. Ukraine it self has been using it for a while before the war. Even western countries use our ammunition. The people concerned with such purchases know the quality of Pakistani ammunition. They also know Ukraine is a dumping ground...

pdf.defence.pk

Ha ha ha
Ukraine is not paying , this all coming from free dollars given by America , that is why they don't bother for the quality of the free maal .you go through the thread on this forum itself which talks about bad quality of rockets supplied by pakistan.

Meanwhile your own artillery guns and tanks are bursting due to faulty imports, Chinese third tier parts and stupidity.

In the huge quantity of old stocks of grads, a few bad ones are bound to encountered.

Pakistani Made Grad rockets not Good

Pakistani ammunition has already created its name in the world. Ukraine it self has been using it for a while before the war. Even western countries use our ammunition. The people concerned with such purchases know the quality of Pakistani ammunition. They also know Ukraine is a dumping ground...

pdf.defence.pk