25% of Japanese firms relocate to Vietnam after China exit: JETRO

[mike2000 is back]

lol,

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6th Annual CKGSB China-Japan CEO Roundtable

Their largest investor, indeed. Mind you that number posted is just in Mainland; that does not consider our investments in Hongkong or Taiwan. Hong Kong, alone, is quite voluminous.

I didnt know that. Thought U.S/Germany/western country was China's largest foreign investor. Thanks for the info, at least i learn something new everyday on PDF.

 

[Aepsilons]

I didnt know that. Thought U.S/Germany/western country was China's largest foreign investor. Thanks for the info, at least i learn something new everyday on PDF.

LOL, if you were to combine the amount of investment Japan has in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and the entire Mainland, it would be around $150 Billion; give or take 5 billion.

Mind you these are from public sources; this does not even consider the private investments. Anyways, its voluminous, my friend. Voluminous.

Mind you, Chinese media will post anti-Japanese articles or videos; but in the end of the day, we still are their largest investor (and its growing), lol. Many Chinese start up companies have Japanese investment backing, mind you. For example Alibaba. LOL.

I didnt know that. Thought U.S/Germany/western country was China's largest foreign investor. Thanks for the info, at least i learn something new everyday on PDF.

Oh, but you will never hear of any Chinese security or political analyst admit this, since it undermines Chinese economic independence as they often like to taut about. All the while knowing (denialism doesn't change the investment apparatus) that Japan is China's largest investor. The level of investment US and Europe have on China is but a fraction compared to ours.

LOL!

 

[mike2000 is back]

LOL, if you were to combine the amount of investment Japan has in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and the entire Mainland, it would be around $150 Billion; give or take 5 billion.

Mind you these are from public sources; this does not even consider the private investments. Anyways, its voluminous, my friend. Voluminous.

Mind you, Chinese media will post anti-Japanese articles or videos; but in the end of the day, we still are their largest investor (and its growing), lol. Many Chinese start up companies have Japanese investment backing, mind you. For example Alibaba. LOL.

Hmmmmm..............Well, Chinese leaders might indulge in anti-Japanese propaganda once in a while. However i don't think they hate Japan per se. Its mainly for political and legitimacy reasons that they do that. If not have you ever asked yourself why even Mao and deng never really bothered much about engaging in anti Japanese propaganda(the U.S/west and then the U.S.S.R were the main threat back then? It was only after they passed away that suddenly in the 2000's this anti Japanese campaign began.

In politics its always good to have a foreign enemy/bogeyman or if there is none then CREATE ONE. This helps channel public attention away from the leaders/rulers towards the 'external threat' and gives more space for leaders to rule/get on with their business. lol Many countries do that, so cant blame them to be honest.

So Chinese leaders will keep fanning the hate as far as the people buy it and it serves their interest in doing so.

My question to you though Nihonji: Why does China invest almost nothing in Japan? Is it because Japanese market is too competitive and closed or?

 

[Aepsilons]

Why does China invest almost nothing in Japan? Is it because Japanese market is too competitive and closed or?

Japanese market is already ultradeveloped , most of the Chinese investors to Japan are mostly retail-related or r&d in nature for technological sectors. There is nothing the Chinese can introduce to Japan in terms of infrastructure development as Japan , as a whole, is the most developed country in the world.

We do welcome the super rich Chinese to keep on buying retain property as it helps increase Japanese real estate prices, and keeps interest rates steady.

Real estate investment: China accelerates property buying in Japan- Nikkei Asian Review

 

[mike2000 is back]

Japanese market is already ultradeveloped , most of the Chinese investors to Japan are mostly retail-related or r&d in nature for technological sectors. There is nothing the Chinese can introduce to Japan in terms of infrastructure development as Japan , as a whole, is the most developed country in the world.

We do welcome the super rich Chinese to keep on buying retain property as it helps increase Japanese real estate prices, and keeps interest rates steady.

Real estate investment: China accelerates property buying in Japan- Nikkei Asian Review

Hmmmmmmm.........i agree with most of your point. I too thought so to some extent.
However,i will take exception with Japan being the most developed country in the world. Agree you are among the top 10 most developed major countries though.

 

[Aepsilons]

So Chinese leaders will keep fanning the hate as far as the people buy it and it serves their interest in doing so.

Let them fan the hate; i think this image of Japanese militancy or Japanese imperial nature gives shock value for Chinese civilian perception of us. This entices more Chinese to come visit Japan, and encourages Chinese realtors to buy more property in Japan.

Its a unique dynamic how Chinese view Japan and Japanese. On one side they hate Japanese brutality during the war, and on another, they respect and admire our work ethic, our social harmony, and our impressive work and social culture.
There is a sense of Awe, impressiveness, admiration, respect on their part whenever they visit Japan.

However,i will take exception with Japan being the most developed country in the world. Agree you are among the top 10 most developed major countries though.

LOL, you're allowed to take exception , Mike.

 

[vtnsx]

Marriage? I can just date a Viet lady and taste the flavor of Pho dac biet, without the constraints. Is that okay? lol.

No.

 

[Aepsilons]

No.

Hahahahahahahaha!

 

[faithfulguy]

That's why I've been saying. Marry a Viet girl. LMAO

Are you here to promote your mail order bride business?

 

[vtnsx]

Are you here to promote your mail order bride business?

Nope, people have choices of their own to choose what they like.

 

[Jlaw]

LOL, if you were to combine the amount of investment Japan has in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and the entire Mainland, it would be around $150 Billion; give or take 5 billion.

Mind you these are from public sources; this does not even consider the private investments. Anyways, its voluminous, my friend. Voluminous.

Mind you, Chinese media will post anti-Japanese articles or videos; but in the end of the day, we still are their largest investor (and its growing), lol. Many Chinese start up companies have Japanese investment backing, mind you. For example Alibaba. LOL.



Oh, but you will never hear of any Chinese security or political analyst admit this, since it undermines Chinese economic independence as they often like to taut about. All the while knowing (denialism doesn't change the investment apparatus) that Japan is China's largest investor. The level of investment US and Europe have on China is but a fraction compared to ours.

LOL!

@TaiShang @Martian2 @cirr @Shotgunner51 is this true or Japan guy is trying to deceive the less intelligent PDF members?

he claims Japan is China's biggest investor in China.

 

[CN.Black]

Competing with domestic Chinese companies becomes harder and harder and the salary of Chinese worker is much more higher than southeast Asian countries,so...In one word,Japanese firms need cheap Vietnam labour.

 

[Martian2]

@TaiShang @Martian2 @cirr @Shotgunner51 is this true or Japan guy is trying to deceive the less intelligent PDF members?

he claims Japan is China's biggest investor in China.

Yes, he is deceiving PDF members.

The key to China's economy is Taiwan. Taiwan owns 90% of the worldwide notebook computer market. The last Taiwanese plant shut down over 10 years ago. China is now responsible for 90% of the ACTUAL manufacturing of worldwide notebook computers. This means all of the expertise (including the latest manufacturing technologies) are localized in China. The Taiwanese experts are on-site in China to teach the technological computer notebook secrets to their mainland Chinese employees and managers.

In effect, mainland China owns the worldwide notebook computer market. This is called the "hollowing out" effect of Taiwanese industry. A few design jobs remain in Taiwan, but everything else is now on mainland China.

Since Taiwan was and still is responsible for 60% of China's high-tech exports, Taiwan is the key to mainland Chinese high-tech industry.

China's high-tech industry is roughly as follows:
60% Taiwanese
25% mainland Chinese (my guess due to the size of Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, Xiaomi, TCL, Haier, etc.)
5% European (my guess due to Siemens, VW, Alcatel, etc.)
5% South Korean (my guess due to Samsung)
3% American (my guess due to $2 or $3 billion annual US investment)
2% Japanese

No one cares if the Japanese completely left China. China won't miss the negligible Japanese participation.
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Source (government of Singapore): MAS

"Taiwanese firms are reportedly responsible for nearly 60% of China's total information technology exports."

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Why Taiwan Is Asia’s Hidden Tech Mecca - Uncommon Wisdom Daily

 

[Jlaw]

Yes, he is deceiving PDF members.

The key to China's economy is Taiwan. Taiwan owns 90% of the worldwide notebook computer market. The last Taiwanese plant shut down over 10 years ago. China is now responsible for 90% of the ACTUAL manufacturing of worldwide notebook computers. This means all of the expertise (including the latest manufacturing technologies) are localized in China. The Taiwanese experts are on-site in China to teach the technological computer notebook secrets to their mainland Chinese employees and managers.

In effect, mainland China owns the worldwide notebook computer market. This is called the "hollowing out" effect of Taiwanese industry. A few design jobs remain in Taiwan, but everything else is now on mainland China.

Since Taiwan was and still is responsible for 60% of China's high-tech exports, Taiwan is the key to mainland Chinese high-tech industry.

China's high-tech industry is roughly as follows:
60% Taiwanese
25% mainland Chinese (my guess due to the size of Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, Xiaomi, TCL, Haier, etc.)
5% European (my guess due to Siemens, VW, Alcatel, etc.)
5% South Korean (my guess due to Samsung)
3% American (my guess due to $2 or $3 billion annual US investment)
2% Japanese

No one cares if the Japanese completely left China. China won't miss the negligible Japanese participation.
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Source (government of Singapore): MAS

"Taiwanese firms are reportedly responsible for nearly 60% of China's total information technology exports."

What Nihonjin is saying is not just about high tech. He is saying since 1979, the accumulated investment in China in all fields, Japan is the highest foreign investor in China.
Do you know if there are reliable stats to prove him right or wrong? I thought HK was the biggest investor in China since 1979.

 

[Aepsilons]

What Nihonjin is saying is not just about high tech. He is saying since 1979, the accumulated investment in China in all fields, Japan is the highest foreign investor in China.
Do you know if there are reliable stats to prove him right or wrong? I thought HK was the biggest investor in China since 1979.

Japan is the largest investor in China, with a stock of direct investment at more than US$100 billion in 2014 or US$30 billion more than the next largest source, the United States. But even those massive trade and investment figures understate just how intertwined are these two Asian giants.


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