2012 - WORLD MILITARY RANKINGS

[illusion8]

India deserves the no. 4 place mate, the reason France & Israel are below India b'coz they have a low military power than India, this fact cannot be altered by another fact that India buy weapons from these countries. India also buys weapons from Switzerland, Ukraine or even Brazil, does that mean they are above India in military power, just look at some figures:

India has 750+ fighter jets whereas both France & Israel have around 300.

India has 1.3 million armed personnel whereas both France & Israel have around few lakhs.

India has 2nd largest army, 4th largest air force, 5th largest navy, 100+ nuclear weapons, nuclear capable missiles, large paramilitary force, 10th largest GDP, 8th largest military budget, etc...

So IMO 4th is a proper rank for India though i will not say that it is totally undisputed.

You are replying to a troll don't bother wasting your time on cr@p.

 

[Jade]

India deserves the no. 4 place mate, the reason France & Israel are below India b'coz they have a low military power than India, this fact cannot be altered by another fact that India buy weapons from these countries. India also buys weapons from Switzerland, Ukraine or even Brazil, does that mean they are above India in military power, just look at some figures:

India has 750+ fighter jets whereas both France & Israel have around 300.

India has 1.3 million armed personnel whereas both France & Israel have around few lakhs.

India has 2nd largest army, 4th largest air force, 5th largest navy, 100+ nuclear weapons, nuclear capable missiles, large paramilitary force, 10th largest GDP, 8th largest military budget, etc...

So IMO 4th is a proper rank for India though i will not say that it is totally undisputed.

Moreover, there is geography. It is very very hard to defeat large countries. The size of the country multiplies its military capability.

 

[clmeta]

I know our military is powerful but don't overboard and keep your feet grounded.
India buys weapons from Israel. How can it be ranked above Israel?
Whether it is military intelligence, espionage, defence technology or battle experience, Israel is clearly ahead.
That is one of the main reasons we good terms with them.
If India was the size of Israel, can you imagine we could have survived ?

what strikes me strange is that indians are blissfully unaware how powerful their military is. just because you dont go around threatening your neighbours, does not mean you are weak.

Yes Alexander, we saw it 1971.
Please cut the crap.

Indian military is large and bloated.

India lost 700 men when they deployed forces along the Pakistani border in 2002.

Its a large moving elephant, while Pakistan is nimble as ants.

The elephant can kill hundreds, perhaps thousands of ants, but soon the ants will overpower that elephant and the elephant will be eaten to the bone.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

These rankings are pointless for nations like India. They would make some sense in the colonial era, when colonial powers were expanding the military reach.

Its makes no difference if India is ranked 1st or 192nd as long as Indian military can defend the nation in the time of need.

 

[Mercenary]

1962 was the weakest point of IA's post independence history..then on there was no looking back. Fact that Chinese never did any stupid since 1962 is a testament to that.

And 1971 was our weakest point...and besides Bangladesh is Pakistan's ally now.

India deserves the no. 4 place mate, the reason France & Israel are below India b'coz they have a low military power than India, this fact cannot be altered by another fact that India buy weapons from these countries. India also buys weapons from Switzerland, Ukraine or even Brazil, does that mean they are above India in military power, just look at some figures:

India has 750+ fighter jets whereas both France & Israel have around 300.

India has 1.3 million armed personnel whereas both France & Israel have around few lakhs.

India has 2nd largest army, 4th largest air force, 5th largest navy, 100+ nuclear weapons, nuclear capable missiles, large paramilitary force, 10th largest GDP, 8th largest military budget, etc...

So IMO 4th is a proper rank for India though i will not say that it is totally undisputed.

Its quality and not quantity.

One French Fighter can shoot down 6 Indian Fighters.

The French and Israeli Air Force alone can annihilate the Indian Air Force.

While the Indian Navy would be at the bottom of the Sea if it ever went toe to toe with the French Navy.

Once your Air Force is taken out, the French and Israeli Fighters can lay waste to your "2nd largest army"

In essence, India is no where as strong as the European Powers like France or Germany or England.

Only on retarded sites like Global Firepower ranks a country like India higher than France of Israel because India has a large poorly trained military equipped with obsolete equipment.

 

[harpoon]

And 1971 was our weakest point...and besides Bangladesh is Pakistan's ally now.

The difference is IA never compromised the territorial integrity of India..even in 1962. As for BD being ally of Pakistan...thats too much of an overstretch..don't you think. Don't forget BDs accuse India of supporting the present BD govt.Ever heard of the term RAWAWAMI.

Its quality and not quantity.

One French Fighter can shoot down 6 Indian Fighters.

The French and Israeli Air Force alone can annihilate the Indian Air Force.

While the Indian Navy would be at the bottom of the Sea if it ever went toe to toe with the French Navy.

Once your Air Force is taken out, the French and Israeli Fighters can lay waste to your "2nd largest army"

In essence, India is no where as strong as the European Powers like France or Germany or England.

Only on retarded sites like Global Firepower ranks a country like India higher than France of Israel because India has a large poorly trained military equipped with obsolete equipment.

I would like to see the source from which you come up with this conclusions. Talking about quality I have seen here Pakistanis chest beating about how great is their training of their armymen and PAF pilots (1 Pakistani = 10 Indians), yet Pakistan is ranked below India.

 

[Shinigami]

And 1971 was our weakest point...and besides Bangladesh is Pakistan's ally now.



Its quality and not quantity.

One French Fighter can shoot down 6 Indian Fighters.

The French and Israeli Air Force alone can annihilate the Indian Air Force.

While the Indian Navy would be at the bottom of the Sea if it ever went toe to toe with the French Navy.

Once your Air Force is taken out, the French and Israeli Fighters can lay waste to your "2nd largest army"

In essence, India is no where as strong as the European Powers like France or Germany or England.

Only on retarded sites like Global Firepower ranks a country like India higher than France of Israel because India has a large poorly trained military equipped with obsolete equipment.

“I believe what this demonstrates is that the capacity exists out there for any nation with the appropriate resources and the will to acquire technology and to train their aircrews to be very, very capable,” said Col. Russ Handy, commander of the 3rd Operations Group. “In the long term this could occur in nations outside of the Indian Air Force.”

The surprising sophistication of Indian fighter aircraft and skill of Indian pilots demonstrated at the Cope India air combat exercise Feb. 15 through 27 at Gwalior Air Force Station, India, should provide a reality check for those who had assumed unquestioned U.S. air superiority
Hampton Stephens

“The (Indian) pilots are as aggressive as our pilots. They are excellent aviators; they work very hard at mission planning; they try to get as much out of a mission or sortie as possible, just like us,” he said. “From one fighter pilot to another, there’s really not that much difference in how we prepare for a mission and what we want to get out of it.”
Col. Greg Neubeck


"very proficient in [their] aircraft and smart on tactics. That combination was tough for us to overcome,"

"The adversaries are better than we thought," Col. Mike Snodgrass added.” And in the case of the Indian Air Force both their training and some of their equipment was better than we anticipated."

“What we’ve seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with best AF in the world.”

“I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won’t be going home.”

Indians seem to excel at air power. U.S. Air Force pilots who face off against their Indian counterparts in mock combat rave about the skills and panache of Indian airmen.
James Holmes
From Russia With Love? China vs. India Carrier Showdown | Flashpoints


“The greatest compliment we heard from an IAF pilot – You American pilots are just like us, simply down to earth people.”
The Boresight: Swirl of Controversy: Cope India and Red Flag 2008 Exercises

The outcome of the exercise boils down to [the fact that] they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected, Snowden says. India had developed its own air tactics somewhat in a vacuum. They had done some training with the French that we knew about, but we did not expect them to be a very well-trained air force.
http://taiwantp.net/cgi/TWforum.pl?board_id=6&type=show_post&post=449_6

"The Indian Air Force is a world-class air force with great aircraft, great pilots, and great leadership," said Capt. Marcus Wilson, an Aggressor pilot at Nellis and the team chief for the exercise.
404: Code One Magazine

Indian pilots have created their own combat techniques and proved to be very smart, flexible and adaptive. This was also not an expected fact because Western tactical experts used to stay on their vision of dealing with Russian style pilots with rigid tactics and no independent moves what so ever. All this matters combined points out the Indian fighters to a real considerable threat leaving the Western analysts and USAF Command thinking it over how credible their own weapons are.
http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/Articles/IL-78 MIDAS&Crousaders.pdf

Indian AF Su-30K during the Cope India exercise. The Flanker's soundly defeated US Air Force F-15Cs during this exercise, exploiting not only superior BVR radar/missile capabilities, but also the TKS-2 datalink, used to network flights of Flankers
Sukhoi T-50/I-21/Article 701 PAK-FA and Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker

"We came rolling in, like, 'Beep-beep, superpower coming through,'" Colonel Fornof told me. "And we had our eyes opened. We learned a lot. By the third week, we were facing a threat that we weren't prepared to face, because we had underestimated them. They had figured out how to take Russian-built equipment and improve upon it."
Black Hawk Down author Mark Bowden
Infamous YouTube star Fornof re-appears in pro-F-22 article - The DEW Line

Indian planners combined the use of top-line fighters like this Su-30 with older types and impressive, innovative tactics.
Credit: USAF TSGT. KEITH BROWN
http://taiwantp.net/cgi/TWforum.pl?board_id=6&type=show_post&post=449_6

"When we saw that they were a more professional air force, we realized that within the constraints of the exercise we were going to have a very difficult time," Snowden (A USAF senior pilot at cope india)says. "In general, it looked like they ran a broad spectrum of tactics and they were adaptive. They would analyze what we were doing and then try something else. They weren't afraid to bring the strikers in high or low. They would move them around so that we could never anticipate from day to day what we were going to see."


thats about the AF.

dont even get me started on the navy, a 15-1 kill ratio is something even the USN does not have

 

[Shinigami]

double post......

 

[Grand-Vizier]

I think it is going by the size of manpower than just quality.

Otherwise I am sure that Israel is stronger than today's UK at least in terms of capability. And France should be at number 5 at least.

Israel stronger than UK ? wtf ? yes UK doesnt have as good airforce as israel atm but combined navy and airforce UK can project much better power , Israel is good defensively when attacked as seen before.

Saudi Arabia should be higher , at least in top 17-18 , with new apaches , f-15 , eurofighter etc .

Australia , spain , canada should be higher.

Global Fire Power is a total joke.

Iran is ranked ahead of Germany.

Is this site for real?

I think it might take into consideration the law that prohibits germany to build big army.

Global Fire Power is a total joke.

Iran is ranked ahead of Germany.

Is this site for real?

I think it might take into consideration the law that prohibits germany to build big army.

 

[KingMamba]

True rankings IMO with all nukes/ alliances taken into consideration. Top 15

1- USA- Not much else needs to be said.
2- Russia- Manpower, nukes, great military infrastructure, great air force, and good navy. Most important they are battle tested.
3- China- Manpower, nukes, expanding military budget and expertise. Overall Good navy/ air force. Good economy to sustain a war.
4- UK- Nato alliance, good air force although shrinking, great navy, decent sized army but Nato alliance cancels out the need for large manpower. Nukes/missiles
5- France- Nato alliance, great airforce, strong navy, good numbers, great expertise in weaponry, large amount of nukes/missiles. Morale of troops is questionable (France always surrenders ).
6- Israel- Top of the line tech, Nato backup, nukes, first class airforce, unlimited manpower, missiles, and most important greatly battle tested.
7- India- Large army, good navy, expanding air force which will be first class when all fighters are inducted, nukes, missiles, and battle tested. Oh yeah and a good economy to sustain a war.
8- Turkey- Nato alliance, great navy, good airforce, expanding knowledge in military tech, and good economy to sustain a war.
9- South Korea
10- Japan
11- Germany
12- Pakistan
13- Brazil
14- Iran
15- Taiwan

Got lazy although you can look up the capabilities of these countries yourselves.

 

[danger007]

And 1971 was our weakest point...and besides Bangladesh is Pakistan's ally now.



Its quality and not quantity.

One French Fighter can shoot down 6 Indian Fighters.

The French and Israeli Air Force alone can annihilate the Indian Air Force.

While the Indian Navy would be at the bottom of the Sea if it ever went toe to toe with the French Navy.

Once your Air Force is taken out, the French and Israeli Fighters can lay waste to your "2nd largest army"

In essence, India is no where as strong as the European Powers like France or Germany or England.

Only on retarded sites like Global Firepower ranks a country like India higher than France of Israel because India has a large poorly trained military equipped with obsolete equipment.

hmmm then how about one Rafael and JF-17, j-10b....2squadrans will eliminate entire paf....hehehehe

 

[Grand-Vizier]

True rankings IMO with all nukes/ alliances taken into consideration. Top 15

1- USA- Not much else needs to be said.
2- Russia- Manpower, nukes, great military infrastructure, great air force, and good navy. Most important they are battle tested.
3- China- Manpower, nukes, expanding military budget and expertise. Overall Good navy/ air force. Good economy to sustain a war.
4- UK- Nato alliance, good air force although shrinking, great navy, decent sized army but Nato alliance cancels out the need for large manpower. Nukes/missiles
5- France- Nato alliance, great airforce, strong navy, good numbers, great expertise in weaponry, large amount of nukes/missiles. Morale of troops is questionable (France always surrenders ).
6- Israel- Top of the line tech, Nato backup, nukes, first class airforce, unlimited manpower, missiles, and most important greatly battle tested.
7- India- Large army, good navy, expanding air force which will be first class when all fighters are inducted, nukes, missiles, and battle tested. Oh yeah and a good economy to sustain a war.
8- Turkey- Nato alliance, great navy, good airforce, expanding knowledge in military tech, and good economy to sustain a war.
9- South Korea
10- Japan
11- Germany
12- Pakistan
13- Brazil
14- Iran
15- Taiwan

Got lazy although you can look up the capabilities of these countries yourselves.

UK airforce is quite outdated if you check it out , they only have eurofighters that are new , they are getting new ships and 2 AC though . and israel cant be 6th . I think Brazil should be ranked higher , im not sure about their armed forces but they are growing good and have that air company embrao or something and slowly improving in defence tech. If we dont include the any laws for both japan and germany i would put them 6th position , atleast germany with very good defence products and japan economy.

Remember this ranking excludes nukes---oh just saw you said taking nukes and alliances into account .

 

[KingMamba]

UK airforce is quite outdated if you check it out , they only have eurofighters that are new , they are getting new ships and 2 AC though . and israel cant be 6th . I think Brazil should be ranked higher , im not sure about their armed forces but they are growing good and have that air company embrao or something and slowly improving in defence tech. If we dont include the any laws for both japan and germany i would put them 6th position , atleast germany with very good defence products and japan economy.

Remember this ranking excludes nukes---oh just saw you said taking nukes and alliances into account .

Bro the problem I have with Brazil is that they don't have much military experience. I find it hard to believe they can beat any of the countries I ranked ahead of them as the experience part is very vastly underrated.

UK still gets the nod because Nato alliance cancels out the need for them to have a large air force while their navy is still first class and they have nukes/missiles to back them up.

 

[Wright]

True rankings IMO with all nukes/ alliances taken into consideration. Top 15

1- USA- Not much else needs to be said.
2- Russia- Manpower, nukes, great military infrastructure, great air force, and good navy. Most important they are battle tested.
3- China- Manpower, nukes, expanding military budget and expertise. Overall Good navy/ air force. Good economy to sustain a war.
4- UK- Nato alliance, good air force although shrinking, great navy, decent sized army but Nato alliance cancels out the need for large manpower. Nukes/missiles
5- France- Nato alliance, great airforce, strong navy, good numbers, great expertise in weaponry, large amount of nukes/missiles. Morale of troops is questionable (France always surrenders ).
6- Israel- Top of the line tech, Nato backup, nukes, first class airforce, unlimited manpower, missiles, and most important greatly battle tested.
7- India- Large army, good navy, expanding air force which will be first class when all fighters are inducted, nukes, missiles, and battle tested. Oh yeah and a good economy to sustain a war.
8- Turkey- Nato alliance, great navy, good airforce, expanding knowledge in military tech, and good economy to sustain a war.
9- South Korea
10- Japan
11- Germany
12- Pakistan
13- Brazil
14- Iran
15- Taiwan

Got lazy although you can look up the capabilities of these countries yourselves.

Saudia Arabia has a more modern armed forces than Iran, Taiwan, Pakistan, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, and the UK.

Im surprised you omitted them when they should be right after Israel. At least on paper.

 

[kum.]

I Think It should be


1) USA
2) RUSSIA
3) CHINA
4) INDIA
5) FRANCE
6) UK
7) ISRAEL
8) NORTH KOREA
9) PAK
10) JAPAN