2011 Update on Pakistan's Economy, Education, Poverty, Hunger and Hygiene

[SpArK]

Some more links..on food security.


IRIN Asia | PAKISTAN: Hunger stalks millions as food insecurity grows | Pakistan | Food Security

Hunger pains: Pakistan's food insecurity | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online



Education

The Pakistan Education Task Force’s report, “Education Emergency Pakistan 2011”, states, “Today, Pakistan is crippled by an education emergency that threatens tens of millions of children”. The report further stated that, No country can thrive in the modern world without educated citizens. The economic cost of not educating Pakistan is the equivalent of one flood every year. The only difference is that this is a self-inflicted disaster. One in ten of the world’s out-of-school children is a Pakistani. The country is far from meeting the Millennium Development Goal (MDG) of providing universal education by 2015. It is pertinent to mention that our neighboring countries are far ahead from us in achieving Millennium Development Goal on education.

 

[RiazHaq]

After years of non calculation on poverty rates by governmental or international bodies, the planning commission of Pakistan survey did suggest that the poverty rate may have increased to 43 per cent, placing it well above India's 41.6%.

Poverty rate: Three years on, govt decides to redraw the line – The Express Tribune

But Musings has ownfigures entered from excel sheet of his computer and boasted by frustrated minds.

Government's insistence that 2006 figures as the most authentic (represented by the broken grey line) represent a problem compared with the high figure of actual poverty (red line). Poverty numbers may be released in a couple of months: Planning Commission. DESIGN: ANAM HALEEM


here is ur graph

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And here is a report on sanitation from a "credible" link.

Sanitation conditions in interior Sindh | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

The latest World Bank data shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5%, based on India's current poverty line of $1.03 per person per day, is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam (urban), Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/extern...d/PDF/574280PUB0Pers1351B0Extop0ID0186890.pdf

 

[SpArK]

India's poverty rate is measured at $0.50 a day, Pakistan's isn't. I'd like to have the original link of the planning commission of pakistan survey than random websites.

These are the World Bank's statistics:



http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY/countries

Poverty headcount ratio at $2 a day (PPP) (% of population) | Data | Table

Thats because there has been no mechanism in ur country to determine or any census of any sort conducted to determine the poverty asu guys are busy politically and geographically. Your own planning commission is coming with new report which is alarming.

The latest 2011 report will clear all the doubts. We have a declining graph and u have an up graph.. Any guy with comon sense will acknowledge it , the over patriotic ones will keep denying it. Its human nature.

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The latest World Bank data shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5%, based on India's current poverty line of $1.03 per person per day, is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam (urban), Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/extern...d/PDF/574280PUB0Pers1351B0Extop0ID0186890.pdf

Dude dont post ur musings and ur hand made graphs .. i wil start my own post it as Spark musings with my own graphs..

 

[53fd]

Access to sanitation:

Source: CIA World Fact Book

 

[RiazHaq]

So u are comparing Kanpur with Pakistan now..

I gave you just one example of the education crisis in India.

A report on the state of Indian education, the largest study of the country’s rural children, makes for grim reading.

India’s schools are in bad shape, and not getting any better. Maths ability is declining, and reading is way below where it should be.

The Annual Status of Education Report 2010, prepared by Pratham, an education non-governmental organisation supported by many of India’s top companies, has a blunt message. School enrolment is up but quality is unacceptably low. Inadequate state provision is fuelling the expansion of private education, which India’s largely poor people can ill-afford.

Here are some of the report’s key findings:

1. 96.5 per cent of children in the 6 to 14 age group in rural India are enrolled in school. While 71.1 per cent of these children are enrolled in government schools, 24.3 per cent are enrolled in private schools.

2. India’s southern states in particular are moving strongly towards more private sector education provision. The percentage of children in private school increased from 29.7 per cent to 36.1 per cent in Andhra Pradesh, from 19.7 per cent to 25 per cent in Tamil Nadu and from 51.5 per cent to 54.2 per cent in Kerala

3. There has been a decrease in children’s ability to do simple mathematics. The proportion of Standard 1 children who could recognise numbers from 1-9 has declined.

4. After five years of schooling, close to half of children are below a level expected after just two years of formal education. Half of these children cannot read. Only one child in five can recognise numbers up to 100.

5. Toilets were useable in only half the 13,000 schools surveyed. Teacher attendance was 63 per cent, lower than pupil attendance.
Kapil Sibal, the new education minister, has breathed some life into a portfolio left moribund by his elderly predecessor Arjun Singh. But lately, Mr Sibal, a lawyer, has been seconded into the telecommunications ministry to clean up a mess surrounding the controversial award of new 2G licences that may have cost the exchequer as much as $39bn.

There are few more important challenges in India than improving its schools. Not for the first time ineptitude and greed at the top are robbing India’s young of resources.

Indian schools: failing | beyondbrics | News and views on emerging markets from the Financial Times

 

[53fd]

Thats because there has been no mechanism in ur country to determine or any census of any sort conducted to determine the poverty asu guys are busy politically and geographically. Your own planning commission is coming with new report which is alarming.

The latest 2011 report will clear all the doubts. We have a declining graph and u have an up graph.. Any guy with comon sense will acknowledge it , the over patriotic ones will keep denying it. Its human nature.

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Dude dont post ur musings and ur hand made graphs .. i wil start my own post it as Spark musings with my own graphs..

The graph you allege is hand-made by Riaz Sahab is on page 10 of the World Bank 2011 report. Check out page 10 of this report if you don't believe me:

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/extern...d/PDF/574280PUB0Pers1351B0Extop0ID0186890.pdf

I expected better from you, than the mindless slandering when you don't have an adequate response.

 

[SpArK]

1. 96.5 per cent of children in the 6 to 14 age group in rural India are enrolled in school. While 71.1 per cent of these children are enrolled in government schools, 24.3 per cent are enrolled in private schools.

2. India’s southern states in particular are moving strongly towards more private sector education provision. The percentage of children in private school increased from 29.7 per cent to 36.1 per cent in Andhra Pradesh, from 19.7 per cent to 25 per cent in Tamil Nadu and from 51.5 per cent to 54.2 per cent in Kerala

Kewlllll..

its just 3.5 percent who are not enrolled. Thanks haq

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Access to sanitation:

Source: CIA World Fact Book

2005 seriously.. half a decade old.??

 

[Roybot]

Yes, and all you proved was that for the specific age group at secondary level India's graduation rate was understated by Barro and Lee's data. The rest of data at each level still stands.

A New Data Set of Educational Attainment in the World, 1950-2010

They do not, Barro-Lee data for India is not latest real data, rather estimates based on real data from 1990, as I have mentioned to you earlier. And can be seen in this post here!

Page 5, Worldbank||The Knowledge Economy and Education and Training in South Asia:
A Mapping Exercise of Available Survey Data -Michelle Riboud, Yevgeniya Savchenko, and Hong Tan

Real figure for India from 2004 better than Pakistan's 2010 real figures.

 

[RiazHaq]

Kewlllll..

its just 3.5 percent who are not enrolled. Thanks haq

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2005 seriously.. half a decade old.??

Here's the latest data from UNICEF that came out in Sept 2011:

India has the worst public sanitation situation in the world today, according to a recent UNICEF survey. In terms of open defecation, India(638m) is followed by Indonesia (58m), China (50m), Ethiopia (49m), Pakistan (48m), Nigeria (33m) and Sudan (17m). In terms of percentage of each country's population resorting to the unhygienic practice, Ethiopia tops the list with 60%, followed by India 54%, Nepal 50%, Pakistan 28%, Indonesia 26%, and China 4%.

18 percent of urban India still defecates in open while the percentage of rural India is as high as 69 percent of the population. It is the key reason why India carries among the highest infectious disease burdens in the world.

Haq's Musings: India Leads the World in Open Defecation

http://www.unicef.org/media/files/JMP-2010Final.pdf

Minister says India’s rank as No. 1 country for open defecation a source of national shame - The Washington Post

 

[RiazHaq]

They do not, Barro-Lee data for India is not latest real data, rather estimates based on real data from 1990, as I have mentioned to you earlier. And can be seen in this post here!

Page 5, Worldbank||The Knowledge Economy and Education and Training in South Asia:
A Mapping Exercise of Available Survey Data -Michelle Riboud, Yevgeniya Savchenko, and Hong Tan

Real figure for India from 2004 better than Pakistan's 2010 real figures.

Barro Lee clearly show that Pakistan improved and pulled ahead of India since 1990 in graduation rates.

 

[SpArK]

Here's the latest data from UNICEF that came out in Sept 2011:

India has the worst public sanitation situation in the world today, according to a recent UNICEF survey. In terms of open defecation, India(638m) is followed by Indonesia (58m), China (50m), Ethiopia (49m), Pakistan (48m), Nigeria (33m) and Sudan (17m). In terms of percentage of each country's population resorting to the unhygienic practice, Ethiopia tops the list with 60%, followed by India 54%, Nepal 50%, Pakistan 28%, Indonesia 26%, and China 4%.

18 percent of urban India still defecates in open while the percentage of rural India is as high as 69 percent of the population. It is the key reason why India carries among the highest infectious disease burdens in the world.

Haq's Musings: India Leads the World in Open Defecation

http://www.unicef.org/media/files/JMP-2010Final.pdf

Minister says India’s rank as No. 1 country for open defecation a source of national shame - The Washington Post

The same WHO says 71 per cent of Pakistan’s rural population does not have the facilities of improved sanitation, and 40 per cent of the rural population resort to open defecation.

Sanitation conditions in interior Sindh | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

 

[Roybot]

Barro Lee clearly show that Pakistan improved and pulled ahead of India since 1990 in graduation rates.

Yes thats because that last real data for India they have is from 1990!

 

[CLIPPER4LIFE]

Can we focus on our country, India has a bigger population thus they have bigger problems. We on the other hand have a smaller population compared to India, so access to hygiene will be higher and poverty will obviously be lower compared to India. We can be proud all we want but if you think about it, if we are a smaller country therefore it should be easier for us to eradicate poverty, poor hygiene, etc. yet we still havn't solved these kinds of issues, we still have polio in our country for gods sake! STOP comparing Pakistan with India were gaining nothing from it!

 

[SpArK]

Yes thats because that last real data for India they have is from 1990!

And they dont have the real data from "some" countries since their government hasnt provided or the agenciesdont have access.

So all they have to rely is actually funny musinqs of self blog promoters.

Infact few of the members actually started using it as economic indicators.

Just laugh it off buddy .. just laugh it off..


The report of sanitation published last month has already started to produce results.. The ministry has directed progress on it on larger scale and on urgent basis.. We will improve for sure.. but cant say much on "other.... They can self satisfy on older reports while we keep moving ahead .. day after day from the bottom, where we were few years back.

 

[Roybot]

Do you know the difference between IMF Projection (in grey) versus actuals reported by Economic Survey of each country?

Go check out the following:

http://indiabudget.nic.in/es2010-11/echap-01.pdf

INR 54527 (US $1217) is India's per capita income clearly shown on page 2 of Economic Survey of India 2011.

http://www.infopak.gov.pk/EconomicSurvey/Highlights.pdf

US $ 1254 is the per capita income Pakistan on page 3 of Economic Survey of Pakistan 2011.

As usual manipulating data, to somehow show that Pakistan is doing better. I don't know what you get out of it

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Ok first lest focus at the figure of INR 54527, thats per capita income (factor cost at current prices).

I hope you know that its not the same as Gross National Income in current US $, which is what you are comparing it with!

Please note the highlighted part.
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Here is the Gross National Income in current US $ from 2010 for both countries,

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.CD

Please note the 2010 figure for Pakistan, is close to the figure for 2010 in Pakistan's Annual Economic Survey.

http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapter_11/Highlights.pdf

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Now lets hear your arguments