2010-2012 Saudi Shopping Spree: F-15s, Helicopters & More

[Abii]

That is why Saudi Arabia is now trying to get every weapon with TOT and also training its own people to produce those weapons and they are doing really very fast and also training their people

The Shah was saying the same thing in Iran back in the 70s lol

It turned out that the RPG factory he had set up was the extent of the tech transfer. Dude wake up! The Saudis have no heavy industry other than the petrochemical industry that is set up, maintained and operated by Westerners and expats. But let's give em the petrochem industry, what other heavy industry can the saudis boast about? Iran during shahs time was more productive than these guys (by miles) and back then we had 30 m people, same as saudi arabia today.

 

[King Solomon]

That is why Saudi Arabia is now trying to get every weapon with TOT and also training its own people to produce those weapons and they are doing really very fast and also training their people

Good. I hope they are successful in doing so by 2015. However, according to my sources, certain technology transfers such as Eurofighter, if I remember correctly, has been stopped by United States from the background. And the TOT's done recently can in no way be classified as "tech transfers", but they will help to generate jobs and stabilize ksa's economy though. That's as far as it goes

And most of all, I sincerely hope these weapons are not used in a war where muslims fight muslims. Such wars have become commonplace in today's world like in libya, syria, iraq etc.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Fateh 110 is easier to make than a car with 4 wheels. It's a short ranged ballistic missile, not a scud. You can get cute all you want and troll, but so can I remember

What troll? You claimed that Iranian US equipment were useless after US sanctions, and that's not true, without those arms, Iran couldn't fight in GW1, those arms were the backbone of Iran war machine and still after 33 years of sanctions.

@ 500 CEP we're being extremely hard on the missile.

"he missile might be as accurate as 100 m CEP using a combination of inertial guidance and a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) system"

Iran is not allowed to use GPS, and it doesn't even have the tech to use it. And what do you mean by internal guidance?

But let's say it's 500 meters. Iran produces 1.6 million automobiles per year. 10 Fateh 110 missiles can take out 1 power station in UAE. You do the math. How many missiles do you think we need to take out the water desalination plants, power plants etc? We have enough short ranged missiles to use them as artillery. UAE could literally go dark by the time their jets even get to Iran's Southern borders.

So, Iran manufactures 1.6 million annually?

You said an F-15 can carry 11 tons of weapons. You didn't tell me how that F-15 is going to reach the hydroelectric dam in say, Karaj, in Northern Iran.

The thing you wouldn't understand that GCC airforces are overwhelmingly superior, those war-crafts cover all Iranian territories, so those were made for to destroy missiles and all military structures/equipment on the ground. You assume here that GCC military will just watch you saturating their cities with missiles and just working on intercepting them, and that's not true. 700 multirole fighters were acquired to guarantee air/ground and naval superiority in enemies air, ground and water territories. If you destroy one power station, no Iranian infrastructure construction would be spared.

 

[Zarvan]

What troll? You claimed that Iranian US equipment were useless after US sanctions, and that's not true, without those arms, Iran couldn't fight in GW1, those arms were the backbone of Iran war machine and still after 33 years of sanctions.

Iran is not allowed to use GPS, and it doesn't even have the tech to use it. And what do you mean by internal guidance?

So, Iran manufactures 1.6 million annually?

The thing you wouldn't understand that GCC airforces are overwhelmingly superior, those war-crafts cover all Iranian territories, so those were made for to destroy missiles and all military structures/equipment on the ground. You assume here that GCC military will just watch you saturating their cities with missiles and just working on intercepting them, and that's not true. 700 multirole fighters were acquired to guarantee air/ground and naval superiority in enemies air, ground and water territories. If you destroy one power station, no Iranian infrastructure construction would be spared.

Saudi Arabia should focus more on Israel than Iran Iran can never afford to attack Saudi Arabia it will cause anger and even attacks from majority of Muslims which are Sunnis and their governments will have to take stand against Iran but no one trusts Israel So Muslim countries specially around Israel should be more prepared for Israel and Saudi Arabia for this purpose should buy Submarines and New Fighter Planes

 

[King Solomon]

Saudi Arabia should focus more on Israel than Iran Iran can never afford to attack Saudi Arabia it will cause anger and even attacks from majority of Muslims which are Sunnis and their governments will have to take stand against Iran but no one trusts Israel So Muslim countries specially around Israel should be more prepared for Israel and Saudi Arabia for this purpose should buy Submarines and New Fighter Planes

Israel is unbeatable. Their dolphin class subs can vaporize the whole middle east in minutes.

 

[Zarvan]

Israel is unbeatable. Their dolphin class subs can vaporize the whole middle east in minutes.

Yes those unbeatable got their *** kicked by Hezbollah and also freed 500 Palestinians for their one soldiers and by they also got beating by Egypt in wars but it was American Pressure because of which Egyptian Government made blunders

 

[Zabaniyah]

They should build their own aircraft carrier with Hornets or F-35s on them

 

[Zarvan]

They should build their own aircraft carrier with Hornets or F-35s on them

The way Saudi Arabia is focusing on their Armed Forces and also establishing different Industries specially Defence Industries they can built some thing huge really soon but they don't need Air Craft Carrier because they don't have much space to move it They should focus on getting modern Frigates and Submarines with some deadly Missile Boats

 

[King Solomon]

Yes those unbeatable got their *** kicked by Hezbollah and also freed 500 Palestinians for their one soldiers and by they also got beating by Egypt in wars but it was American Pressure because of which Egyptian Government made blunders

I was talking about a full scale war. So far starting from its existence, Israel has been very merciful to the Arabs although Arabs have continued terrorism and aggression against them in various fronts and never accepted a peaceful solution and existence of a small jewish state.

Organisations like Hamas/fatah/PLO exists because israel allows them to exist.. they can be wiped out in minutes if Israel wishes. A few guerilla wars are in no way any measure of Israel's military capability.

anyway lets stay on topic..

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

All the equipment they get is amputed well enough to be rendered useless in any conflict with Israel. So forget ever going to war with Israel.

This is false.

Examples among many others.






Link “Saudi Typhoons latest news”: http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/172534-saudi-typhoons-latest-news.html



Other…


MBDA Meteor

MBDA Meteor Promo - YouTube

BAE Systems Meteor missile testing - YouTube


Type: Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile

Warhead : High Explosive Blast-Fragmentation

Detonation mechanism: Proximity/Impact

Engine: Throttleable ducted rocket

Operational range: 100+ km (60+ mi)

Speed: over Mach 4

Guidance system: Inertial Mid-course with Datalinked Updates, Active Radar
















Storm Shadow / SCALP EG (comparable to the TAURUS KEPD 350):

In February 2008, the Committee Chairmen and Ranking Members sought a “specific assurance that the Executive branch will consult with our Committees before any approval of a request to sell Saudi Arabia such sensitive weapon systems as Storm Shadow cruise missiles …”

February 14, 2008

The Honorable Condoleezza Rice

Secretary of State

U.S. Department of State

2201 C Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20520

Dear Madam Secretary:

Your Department has informed our Committees of its intent, pursuant to section 3(d) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2753(d)), to approve the retransfer of controlled U.S.-origin defense articles from the United Kingdom (UK) to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, in connection with the UK’s sale of 72 Typhoon fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia. We believe that this retransfer proposal raises some of the same issues that the direct sale of advanced aircraft to Saudi Arabia would raise. In particular, we would not want the UK aircraft sale to jeopardize Israel’s qualitative military edge (QME), any more than we would permit a U.S. sale to pose such a threat to our closest ally in the region.

We understand that the UK Government has received helpful assurances from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We understand also that the retransfers in question relate only to the Typhoon aircraft, and not to the weapon systems that may later be sold for use with the aircraft. And we realize that many weapon systems that might be used with the Typhoon would be of U.S. origin or have U.S. content, and would therefore be subject to the need for U.S. Government approval, although not always for prior notice to our Committees.

We would appreciate receiving assurance from the Administration that the United States will not approve the export or retransfer to Saudi Arabia for use with the Typhoon aircraft of any U.S. weapon system or incorporated defense article that would threaten Israel’s QME. We would also appreciate specific assurance that the Executive branch will consult with our Committees before any approval of a request to sell Saudi Arabia such sensitive weapon systems as Storm Shadow cruise missiles or Paveway IV precision guided weapons. And we would appreciate assurance that our Committees will be informed promptly if you should learn that the assurances provided by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to the United Kingdom are no longer being observed.

If these assurances are provided, we will have no objection to receiving formal notification of the proposed retransfer approval. We are confident that any other concerns will be settled before the expiration of the 30-day waiting period mandated by section 3(d) of the Arms Export Control Act.

Sincerely,

Richard G. Lugar
Ranking Minority Member
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
Chairman
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
Ranking Minority Member
House Committee on Foreign Affairs

Howard L. Berman
Acting Chairman
House Committee on Foreign Affairs

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Function: Cruise missile

Scope: + 250 km officially (unofficially France and the UK have made the calculation provided in the missile's range at sea level, instead of the profile of high altitude under more effective and the missile actually follows . He actually providing a range of over 300 miles / 500 km)

Guidance System: Inertial, GPS, TERPROM. Terminal guidance using the infrared image.

Unit price: US $ 1 million 210

Note: Saudi Arabia has already ordered for a lump sum of 1.8 billion US dollar.






SCALP EG Cruise Missile - YouTube

MBDA TAURUS KEPD 350 - YouTube









Every last purchase contracts include weapons such requirements now.

Kingdom to manufacture 70% of military hardware locally


By P.K. ABDUL GHAFOUR
Published: Jan 19, 2011 00:06

JEDDAH: Saudi Arabia announced Tuesday its plans to produce most of the military hardware and spare parts within the Kingdom by transferring foreign technology.

“More than 70 percent of military equipment can be produced locally,” said Prince Khaled bin Sultan, assistant minister of defense and aviation.

In a statement after presiding over a meeting of the central committee for local manufacturing, Prince Khaled said a special department would be established for local manufacturing and the transfer of technology at the armed forces. He said the committee would report directly to the minister of defense and aviation.

He emphasized the government’s plan to provide greater investment opportunities for the private sector in the military manufacturing sector. “We have set out certain regulations to make sure the equipment and spare parts produced in the Kingdom are equal in quality to imported products,” he said.

Prince Khaled also stressed that locally produced military equipment should be made available at prices lower than outside the country.

He said competition between private companies should be based on equality and justice. There are a number of military industries in Alkharj near Riyadh that are run by the Ministry of Defense and Aviation.

BAE Systems announced recently its intention to establish a military aircraft assembling plant in Saudi Arabia.

“We have started training Saudis on Typhoon aircraft assembling at our plant in Warton to establish an assembly plant in the Kingdom shortly,” said Guy Griffiths, managing director international and a member of the company’s executive council.

He said BAE Systems had established large-scale projects to train Saudi manpower in defense-related industries.

Griffiths said about 58 percent of the company’s 5,000 employees are Saudi.

Saudi Arabia signed an agreement to purchase 72 Typhoon Eurofighters in September 2007. The purchase, for which BAE Systems is prime contractor, is likely to be valued up to $40 billion. The deal calls for most of the aircraft to be assembled in the Kingdom.

In March 2008, the foundation stone was laid for a new center at King Abdulaziz Air Base in the Eastern Province to upgrade and assemble military aircraft systems. The complex will include a range of hangars, stores for hazardous materials, workshops, fuel storage, a water desalination plant and a power station.


Arabnews

Kingdom to boost military industries


By RIYADH: ARAB NEWS
Published: May 2, 2012 01:33 Updated: May 3, 2012 15:33

Prince Khaled bin Sultan, deputy defense minister, has emphasized the importance of making military equipment spare parts locally, adding that it was encouraged by the late Prince Sultan, former defense minister.

Speaking to reporters after visiting the air force command in Riyadh, he said about 120 factories in the Kingdom are now producing 156 spare parts.

“If we bring all the spare parts of military equipment from abroad we have to spend a lot of money on that,” the deputy minister said, and disclosed plans to set up more than 1,000 military industries. He commended the cooperation of the private sector in setting up military industries, saying private firms have invested nearly SR500 million in the sector. The Ministry of Defense has signed contracts with more than 100 Saudi companies for the purpose.

Prince Sultan’s statement comes after Defense Minister Prince Salman chaired a meeting of the board of directors of the General Organization for Military Industries here yesterday.

Prince Salman thanked Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah and Crown Prince Naif for their support to the organization.

The meeting was attended by Prince Khaled, Minister of Finance Ibrahim Al-Assaf, Minister of Commerce and Industry Tawfiq Al-Rabiah, President of King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology Mohammed Al-Suwaiyel, Chief of Staff Gen. Hussein Al-Qubail, Director General of General Organization for Military Industries Maj. Gen. Abdul Aziz Al-Hudaithi, Fahd bin Abdulaziz Al-Saeed, Khaled Al-Abdulkarim and Abdullah Bin Mahfouz.

Prince Salman later arrived in the northeastern border city of Hafr Al-Baten on an inspection tour of military personnel in the region. He was received on arrival by Eastern Province Deputy Gov. Prince Jelawi bin Abdul Aziz and senior officials.

We use our own equipment we even.

U.S., Saudi Arabia Finalize F-15 Fighter Deal


Dec. 29, 2011 - 06:00AM
By KATE BRANNEN

…

Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy James Miller said during a news conference.

According to Miller, 5,500 Saudi Arabian personnel will be trained through 2019.


DefenseNews

U.S., Saudi Arabia Finalize F-15 Fighter Deal | Defense News | defensenews.com

Royal Saudi Air Force at Red Flag 10-4 - YouTube

V5 19 - YouTube

 

[rishisankaran]

Saudis have to rely on US and Israel's analysts. Saudis didn't have their own data and independent reports.

It is not effectives against multi-missiles attacks, MIRVs and speedy missiles. Again, Saudi doesn't have major enemy, it is wasting money. Yemen?

I find surprising you are happy, Saudi is along with US, Israel and Europe against Muslims countries especially Iran. Pakistan wouldn't tolerate Saudi behaviors, don't forget in fact 11 terrorists on 9/11 were proud Saudi terrorists.

If you are generalizing the point then I guess Technically the above assumption is flawed, its the capability of detection that determines how effective the system. THAAD may not be effective as its system cannot detect the incoming missile at an earlier stage but system such as SM-3 and ASAT capability which CHINA has and probably INdia has developed can be effectively used to counter even an incoming MIRV'd ballistic missile as the detection is much earlier with the help of satellites once it leaves the max range the ground radar could offer for guidance and since MIRV's are only released probably just before the re-entry stage of the missile's trajectory, the missile could be killed in midcourse using these capabilities which would mean the effect of MIRV is zeroed. So I guess the importance is not in the kill vehicle but the detection, and countries like US, India and China are not building this for fancy purpose but it is an important deterrent against all type of ballistic missiles.

Hope that clarifies.

 

[Abii]

What troll? You claimed that Iranian US equipment were useless after US sanctions, and that's not true, without those arms, Iran couldn't fight in GW1, those arms were the backbone of Iran war machine and still after 33 years of sanctions.

You don't have the most simple deduction capabilities!
As opposed to what? Having sticks and stones? Of course those weapons were extremely helpful to us in the war, but we didn't have anything else. Our domestic military industry started only at the end of the war. Go back and read what I said. There is no point in having the best of the best when you can't use it at time of war. We had to canibalize our jets back then because we didn't have spare parts and were embargoed. In many cases we didn't have any spare parts or munition so harware was grounded wholesale.

Iran is not allowed to use GPS, and it doesn't even have the tech to use it. And what do you mean by internal guidance?

inertial
lol at internal

and double lol at your GPS comment

So, Iran manufactures 1.6 million annually?

lmaooooo

here you go
2010

2011
OICA » Production Statistics

The thing you wouldn't understand that GCC airforces are overwhelmingly superior, those war-crafts cover all Iranian territories, so those were made for to destroy missiles and all military structures/equipment on the ground. You assume here that GCC military will just watch you saturating their cities with missiles and just working on intercepting them, and that's not true. 700 multirole fighters were acquired to guarantee air/ground and naval superiority in enemies air, ground and water territories. If you destroy one power station, no Iranian infrastructure construction would be spared.

Man wtf are you talking about? You're living on your own little planet!! Where's your air refueling capabilities, where are your support planes etc... Israel can't even pull off such a mission and this guy is up on a pedestal screaming like a mad man!

Heck, the minute the jets get passt Abu Mussa, half of UAE is under a cloud of smoke and there won't be any runways to get back to. How are these jets going to refuel? That's what I wanna know! At best, a bunch of power stations down south will be taken offline. Iraq's airforce with all its might couldn't do **** and they were sitting beside Iran. Unless you're United States of America, you need to sit down and stop making retarded claims. The GCC has a perfectly capable airforce when it comes to defending the GCC. There is no power projection capability what so ever.

 

[King Solomon]

lmaooooo

here you go
2010

Must say, surprised to see Iran's automotive industry (total production) just below Russia, 14th position.

Signs of an fully industrialized economy to come, God willing it will be so.

Heck, the minute the jets get passt Abu Mussa, half of UAE is under a cloud of smoke and there won't be any runways to get back to. How are these jets going to refuel? That's what I wanna know! At best, a bunch of power stations down south will be taken offline. Iraq's airforce with all its might couldn't do **** and they were sitting beside Iran. Unless you're United States of America, you need to sit down and stop making retarded claims. The GCC has a perfectly capable airforce when it comes to defending the GCC. There is no power projection capability what so ever.

Iran does not have to target whole UAE or even GCC... Just destroy the de-salination plants by a massive missile strike and whole population will die out of thirst and UAE would literally be begging for mercy...

 

[Abii]

Must say, surprised to see Iran's automotive industry (total production) just below Russia, 14th position.

Signs of an fully industrialized economy to come, God willing it will be so.



Iran does not have to target whole UAE or even GCC... Just destroy the de-salination plants by a massive missile strike and whole population will die out of thirst and UAE would be begging for mercy.

Russia had a massive growth (41%) in 2011 and passed Iran.
OICA » Production Statistics

I think it had smtg to do with Russia joining the WTO. It changed things a bit. I guess there is now less of the old inefficient cars and more factories producing efficient local and also factories for foreign auto manufacturers.