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A report from 2002 when Pakistan and India were facing each other and war seemed inevitable.
Pakistan has come a long way since then. The gap has become smaller if anything.

The UK think-tank Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) is considered one of the most reputable and influential in the world. Coming in at 2nd in 2013 rankings.
The Think Tanks and Civil Society Program | The 2013 Global Go To Think Tank Index (GGTTTI)

I hope this would force some sense into the vedic commandos on the other side.
Pakistan army has higher quality: UK experts

LONDON, May 22: As the crisis over Kashmir deepens, British military experts say that while India’s armed forces would enjoy a numerical superiority if a war broke out, Pakistan’s army is of higher quality.

Comments by Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee on Wednesday that “the time has come for a decisive fight” further fuelled fears of an all-out war.

In any long-lasting conflict, India would have the advantage of a stronger economy and a population of over one billion compared to Pakistan’s 142 million. It would thus be able to mobilize more soldiers.

But if a conflict was of short duration, these assets would not necessarily enter into the equation, according to William Hopkinson, of the London-based Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA).

“The quality of some of the Pakistani troops is probably better on average than that of the Indians,” he said.

“If the worst happens and a war starts, the pressures from all sides to stop it soon would be obviously enormous, so India’s theoretical long-term advantage might not come into play.”

According to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies, India has 1,303,000 people in its armed forces, plus 535,000 reservists.

Pakistan has about 612,000 troops and 513,000 reservists.

India is believed to have about 60 nuclear warheads and Pakistan has 25, Britain’s Times reported.

According to British government sources quoted by the paper on Wednesday, the Pakistanis are considered better troops, and could beat off an initial Indian offensive.

But the Indians could then use their superiority in conventional forces to overwhelm the Pakistanis.

In one doomsday scenario which, according to The Times, has been considered by British ministers, Islamabad could then use its weapon of last resort: a nuclear device.

India would survive the strike and hit back with its own atomic weapons, according to the scenario.

The use of nuclear weapons in a war for the first time since the Americans dropped such bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, is a threat that experts are not dismissing.

“Yes, it is possible,” said Hopkinson. “There could certainly be a risk if one side is going down in conventional struggle to use a nuclear weapon.

“Whether their doctrine would be to use it tactically or to make a strike at the enemy’s capital, I don’t know.

“I would have thought that the likelihood would be a tactical use but again, it depends where the forces are... you don’t want to use something (like that) on your own territory unless you can’t avoid it.”

Hopkinson added: “If Pakistan is faced with defeat but the defeat were happening on its own territory or its part of Kashmir, it might well strike for something a bit further back ... it could be forces massed behind the first echelon.”—AFP
 
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i dunno about fighting skills , but an average pak soldier looks fitter than an average indian soldier......

Just watch the movie " 300 " and you will understand the concept.
from the movie one understands that "quality jai tel lene, jeet hamesha numerically superior ki hi hoti hai"
 
i dunno about fighting skills , but an average pak soldier looks fitter than an average indian soldier......


from the movie one understands that "quality jai tel lene, jeet hamesha numerically superior ki hi hoti hai"
Yes but you should also look at the ratio of numbers shown in that movie. Does India enjoy the same proportional advantage?

Based on what?

Or is the same of 1 Muslim = 10 Yindus equation...coz that has not worked out for Pakistan so well in the past.
Yes, the British thinktank Royal Institute of International Affairs made the assertion based entirely on that claim.
 
Yes but you should also look at the ratio of numbers shown in that movie. Does India enjoy the same proportional advantage?
india has enough to obliterate pak out of the map......considering china doesnt chip in fr pak.
but if the above happens, i ll be sad as hell.

Based on what?

Or is the same of 1 Muslim = 10 Yindus equation...coz that has not worked out for Pakistan so well in the past.
lol.....plz dont mock them...
 
This has always been the case. Even with superior conventional wars, india has struggled against Pakistan, only 71 when separated by thousands of miles of hostile territory.

US, NATO, Brits Aussies, regularly train with both us and the veggies, and according to all the ones I have talked to over the years, they are always pleasantly surprised about the quality of both our soldiers and officers.

One particular occasion was talking to a SEAL Officer, and a highly decorated SAS veteran in Oz - they had both interacted with our boys - and come to view them with high praise, independently of one another.

The SAS guy was so impressed - I quote "Brilliant bunch of fighters, put them up with tier 1 NATO soldiers - never thought a developing country could produce rifleman like that, outside NATO.

High praise indeed.
 
india has enough to obliterate pak out of the map......considering china doesnt chip in fr pak.
but if the above happens, i ll be sad as hell.
Let me say this categorically that if India was capable of doing so, they would have done so ages ago. But sadly the Vedic powers are not at a substantial level yet.
 
So if Pak-Fauj is to take on indian forces, it has to devise a strategy to enhance it's war fighting endurance, but how? :eek:
 
I'd rather win a war than have some "better quality" soldiers than my enemy....

Every army has certain distinguished units...Its how you use them to your advantage is what matters...
Unfortunately Pakistan has not maximized its potential..
Courage is infinite on both sides...nevertheless, India wins hands down in its leadership..an area Pakistan has forever lacked!

Let me say this categorically that if India was capable of doing so, they would have done so ages ago. But sadly the Vedic powers are not at a substantial level yet.

This is the most nonsensical argument ever!
Countries don't just wage wars on whims and fancies of individuals and their biases...
There must be objectives...what objective does it serve us to destroy Pakistan?!!
 
I'd rather win a war than have some "better quality" soldiers than my enemy....

Every army has certain distinguished units...Its how you use them to your advantage is what matters...
Unfortunately Pakistan has not maximized its potential..
Courage is infinite on both sides...nevertheless, India wins hands down in its leadership..an area Pakistan has forever lacked!
But you can't win a war without better quality soldiers. Look at what is happening in Iraq, Iraqi army vastly outnumbers ISIS but are yet routed repeatedly.
 
So if Pak-Fauj is to take on indian forces, it has to devise a strategy to enhance it's war fighting endurance, but how? :eek:

Actually the report says the exact opposite..
A short term scrap is what favors Pak in this analysis..
 
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