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20 questions we should be asking after Peshawar

6) If bombing the Taliban has not resulted in fewer attacks, why do we keep calling for more bombing?

More then 50% decrease after zarb azb was started...

Notice that this recent attack was on an Army school, and specifically targeted children of Army officers.
The TTP are not attacking the judiciary, the police, the media, or the National Assembly. This shows they want to take revenge against the Army specifically, which means that the Army has badly hurt them during Zarb-e-Azb.
 
So I shall try to answer 1 by 1

1) The people who did this. Where do they get their money from? Where do they get their weapons?
Several sources for money
  • Wealthy donors in middle east.
  • Countries (India, Iran, Afghanistan, USA, Russia). Yes its a complex situation, Indians should not try to claim innocence.
  • A meshwork of criminal enterprise across the country. Extortion, Bank robberies, Drug Trade, Gun Trade, Gun for hire, it seems pretty much every criminal was paying a dividend to TTP & its affiliates
Acquiring weapons is not an issue as those supporting them can easily provide weapons to TTP & its affiliates, plus the region is already full of weapons.

2) Who provides them refuge? Why do they provide them refuge?

A comprehensive support network is established, as it seems that terrorist operates in compartmentalised cells where there are specialist support teams. Its like a spiderweb extending from Mosques to 5 star hotels.

3) Where do they receive the indoctrination that makes them believe that killing children is justified? Which institutions are involved in this indoctrination? Why are these people chosen in particular?

There have been already said a lot about this.

4) If our intelligence is capable of intercepting calls, receiving messages from the Taliban (claiming responsibility), and receiving photos of the men who did this, why don't we question how these communications are possible without providing a lead to finding these people?

Its not as simple as it sounds.

5) Why have we not demanded more transparency from our agencies, given the spectacular intelligence failure that this turned out to be?

More about lack of accountability. States and its institutions are often opaque.

6) If bombing the Taliban has not resulted in fewer attacks, why do we keep calling for more bombing?

Seriously, this is a stupid question, the author is an idiot.

7) Why have we not asked the military to allow media access to Waziristan? Why do we trust everything we are told about Zarb-e-Azb?

No war is fought with transparent open access to media, every opponent controls the narrative. Plus Pakistani media is full of morons.

8) Most of the men who are the perpetrators of these massacres believe they are going to heaven when they die. Will the death penalty instill any fear in them at all? If they are willing to kill themselves, does being killed by others seem a credible deterrent?

Another stupid question. Indoctrination is a reality.

9) Is there a link between the killings of Ahmedis, Hazaras, Christians, Shias, shrine-attendees and the massacre that took place? Is there a common ideology at hand here?

YES. Its called EXTREMISM.

10) Is there a reason that we condemn some of these attacks and not others? Is that why the blame lies on us?

Because of our refusal to learn from our mistakes, a lack of moral courage and insensitivity.

11) Is there a link between the rise of the TTP and the impunity with which groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi operate?

Hence called TTP & its affiliates.

12) Why is it that so many of those arrested in terrorist attacks are released soon after?

Several reasons
  • Lack of proper evidence collection
  • Lack of witness protection program
  • several loopholes in the law
  • witnesses are intimidated along with lawyers & judges
  • abuse of police for political and personal gains
13) Would having stronger witness programmes, more efficient courts and a corruption-free police system help prevent these men from getting out of jail within days?

Indeed

14) Should we start thinking about how, if we were not taught to hate Hindus, Shias, and anyone who is not our brand of religion, this attack may not have been a chilling, logical conclusion to a string of such attacks. How can we change the way our schools teach?

I am sorry. This is gross generalisation. I wasn't thought to hate anyone neither anyone in my family or friends. BUT there are people here who are traders of hate.

15) What are we really trying to achieve when we say these attacks were not carried out by Pakistanis?

Self DENIAL.

16) What are we really trying not to think when we say these attacks were not carried out by Muslims?

Self DENIAL.

17) Is there nothing to be considered between bombing and negotiations?

The person asking these questions is an IDIOT for sure.

18) Would bringing schools, water, electricity, roads, and basic respect to the tribal areas be an effective weapon against these terrorists?

YES. Pakistan must treat FATA as a part of Pakistan and bring it in the main stream country. For too long it was considered and treated as an outsider.

19) Would the military changing its policy regarding 'strategic assets' make these terrorists lose their awful potency?

Against a preposterous assumption by the author.

20) Is it possible to critique our military and government's policies regarding the Taliban, even while feeling immense pain for their dead children?

YES.
 
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20 questions we should be asking after the Peshawar massacre

Heba Islam
Updated about 5 hours ago
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An army soldier stands inside the Army Public School, which was attacked by Taliban gunmen, in Peshawar, December 17, 2014. —Reuters
For the first 48 hours, I just didn't know how to express what I felt. But I've been thinking, thinking nonstop: How do we reconcile what appear to be completely disparate opinions on how to deal with the massacre, the tragedy that took place on Tuesday in Peshawar?

It seems hopeless.



Also read: Militant siege of Peshawar school ends, 141 killed



The religious folk have one opinion. The liberals another. The leftists yet another. The pro-military ones another.

I've been thinking about what common ground I can find with the people that I don't agree with at all, how to engage with people whose opinions I find sickening, and how to do this without compromising on some very basic principles that I strongly believe in.

People around me have two things to say:

  • Bomb these people

  • Hang these people
The only thing I can think of right now is challenging the terms of the conversation, by looking at the one common denominator:

No one wants this to happen ever again.



Also read: After Peshawar: Reassessing the terror threat



With this in mind, I thought I'd pose a few questions which no one seems to be asking, but we all should be asking — over and over again — from ourselves, from the politicians, from the media, and from the military. We don't need answers to them just yet. And, it's not like people would agree with all my answers. It's not like I have all the answers either.

But let us ask the questions:

1) The people who did this. Where do they get their money from? Where do they get their weapons?




2) Who provides them refuge? Why do they provide them refuge?




3) Where do they receive the indoctrination that makes them believe that killing children is justified? Which institutions are involved in this indoctrination? Why are these people chosen in particular?




4) If our intelligence is capable of intercepting calls, receiving messages from the Taliban (claiming responsibility), and receiving photos of the men who did this, why don't we question how these communications are possible without providing a lead to finding these people?




5) Why have we not demanded more transparency from our agencies, given the spectacular intelligence failure that this turned out to be?




6) If bombing the Taliban has not resulted in fewer attacks, why do we keep calling for more bombing?




7) Why have we not asked the military to allow media access to Waziristan? Why do we trust everything we are told about Zarb-e-Azb?

The point of this operation was to clear out civilians and non-combatants from Waziristan to allow the military to have a free hand in pursuing the TTP themselves -- hence the problem of IDPs, internally displaced persons, that we keep reading about. Sending media persons in there rather defeats the purpose of this sort of operation. (However media persons do go to the front line, as in the PM's visit there.)

As for trusting what we are told about the war; well, we know the military did a very good job in eliminating militancy from the Swat valley, and the number of people killed in attacks has gone down dramatically, as everyone knows. Hence the facts we can see are consistent with what the Army reports.
 
The answers to these lead in all directions .. less within the nation & more within the establishment.

20 questions we should be asking after the Peshawar massacre - Blogs - DAWN.COM

1) The people who did this. Where do they get their money from? Where do they get their weapons?

2) Who provides them refuge? Why do they provide them refuge?

3) Where do they receive the indoctrination that makes them believe that killing children is justified? Which institutions are involved in this indoctrination? Why are these people chosen in particular?

4) If our intelligence is capable of intercepting calls, receiving messages from the Taliban (claiming responsibility), and receiving photos of the men who did this, why don't we question how these communications are possible without providing a lead to finding these people?

5) Why have we not demanded more transparency from our agencies, given the spectacular intelligence failure that this turned out to be?

Question (5) uses the words "spectacular intelligence failure."

This attack was a spectacular intelligence failure OR it was a result of the fact that the Pakistani Army has been holding back from chasing the militants into Afghanistan where they have been escaping due to Zarb-e-Azb. In the latter case, it is still possible for the militants to plan and launch attacks.

Nobody in the world thinks that intelligence agencies are enough to stop counterinsurgencies and terror attacks. Militants must be struck in their hideouts in Afghanistan and well as Pakistan, and this will reduce the rate of terror attacks.
 
@Icarus @Xeric - Whats that phrase about such 'analysts' ? Neem hakeem khatra-i-jaan ? :unsure:

Now do you guys realize why we've been screaming about the ISPR becoming more proactive by engaging in debates and silencing such senseless 20 question esque articles instead of just being a glorified twitter account ?

There are pretty good answers for all of the above and most of them have been answered ad nauseam by many on this forum many times; but when will you guys realize that you are loosing this war without firing a single bullet because you guys are under this misapprehension that because those question seem so illogical, conspiratorial and at times down-right daft to those of you who actually serve...the rest of us would be able to see that quite easily.

We don't nor do the people who read these excerpts realize this (within or without Pakistan). Learn from our neighbors, the Americans, the Israelis and all others who've realized very well that it doesn't matter if 'you know that you're in the right' unless 'the audience knows that too' !

Just ask yourselves : How was our conduct when we found out about Sipahi Maqbool Hussain and how was theirs when they found out about Captain Sorab Kalia ? How have our respective conducts been since then ?

Am I unfair in my criticism ? @Hyperion @Secur @HRK @Bratva @Irfan Baloch @Jungibaaz
 
Actually, what the journalist is bring out is that the manner in which the nation including the army is fighting the war against terrorism is worthless & self defeating from the beginning.

This is Indians view of point. Think logically for once, if terrorists activities are decreased 50% after operation then its not self defeating.
 
A stupidest blog that i have seen in a while at Dawn, but i think i need to answer her before she hurt herself:

The answers to these lead in all directions .. less within the nation & more within the establishment.

20 questions we should be asking after the Peshawar massacre - Blogs - DAWN.COM

1) The people who did this. Where do they get their money from? Where do they get their weapons?

2) Who provides them refuge? Why do they provide them refuge?
Welcome to Afghanistan and FATA.

After the Soviets had left, there was enough weapons and ammo to last for another 100 years, say thanks to CIA, Saudi Arabia et al and funds from almost half of the Capitalist world.

As for the money, well, these groups has turned into business entities. i pay them and ask them to blow something inside Afg, they would do it. You pay them and ask them blow something inside Pakistan, they would do it.

No need to think too hard for who these 'i' and 'you' are.


3) Where do they receive the indoctrination that makes them believe that killing children is justified?
USSR vacated Afg in the late 80s. It has been almost 34 years since then. Thanks to the Yanks for leaving the Afghan Mujahideen abruptly and thus creating a vacuum. With no schools, education, no money and no where to go (even their own countries would not let then back) they stayed back in the Wild Wild Afghanistan. Those who went in from Pakistan/FATA also met a similar fate. Hence, a kid who was born during these 34 years amidst chaos, hunger, violence and with no education, it doesnt take much time to indoctrinate him into killing anything including children.

Which institutions are involved in this indoctrination?
None. Mere training camps. You, Ma'am are totally ignorant, arent you?
Why are these people chosen in particular?

Because they are dumb. And then because they have been neglected.


4) If our intelligence is capable of intercepting calls, receiving messages from the Taliban (claiming responsibility), and receiving photos of the men who did this, why don't we question how these communications are possible without providing a lead to finding these people?
They dont call up the int agencies to own up an attack, they do it to media houses and journalists with whom they have contacts.

Also, it is a function of commonsense that without sponsoring from a State, these guys cannot have access to tech that can make them invisible. If tracking has been so easy, then it would not only have been the NSA to eavesdrop Governments - everyone would have been doing it.

Having said that, int agencies are always tracking them. Thanks to are stupid policies that we still cant make sure that no one have a SIM which unregistered.


5) Why have we not demanded more transparency from our agencies, given the spectacular intelligence failure that this turned out to be?
That's a stupid question. After 9/11 or 26/11, Americans and Indians didnt ask their agencies to reveal how they work.


6) If bombing the Taliban has not resulted in fewer attacks, why do we keep calling for more bombing?

Welcome to 2014.

After Zarb-e-Azb, there have been an acute decline in terrorists attacks. You have been an editor at Dawn, i wonder which kind of news editing you been doing if you didnt observe it. Just tu put things in perspective:

Explanation:
A particular terror attack consumes a certain quantity of explosive. Let's say; 15-20 KG per suicide attack, 50-200 KG per VBIED. So, the amount of explosive which was recovered during Zarb-e-Azb, if translated into 5 IED/Suicide/VBIED attacks per day, it would have taken 15 years non-stop to consume that explosive.


Now, imagine this: Attack on Wagha Border was 'one' attack, so was the Peshwar Attack. Now imagine 5 of them taking place DAILY!

So, please use that brain in addition to your pen.


7) Why have we not asked the military to allow media access to Waziristan? Why do we trust everything we are told about Zarb-e-Azb?

You dont.

Just let the results speak for it.

BTW, media have been to Waziristan, those who had the courage. Others, like Umar Cheema like to report from Bannu.

8) Most of the men who are the perpetrators of these massacres believe they are going to heaven when they die. Will the death penalty instill any fear in them at all? If they are willing to kill themselves, does being killed by others seem a credible deterrent?

i dont know which kind of reporting have you been doing if you didnt know how Dr Usman and Arshad (those hanged yesterday) wept and cried for mercy before getting hanged. Also, one of them died today of a hear attack and he was told that he is going to be hanged.

9) Is there a link between the killings of Ahmedis, Hazaras, Christians, Shias, shrine-attendees and the massacre that took place? Is there a common ideology at hand here?

Yes and no.

TTP is an umbrella orgnisation which welcomes criminals of all sorts including and not restricted to target killers and those who kill in the name of sectarianism.

10) Is there a reason that we condemn some of these attacks and not others? Is that why the blame lies on us?

Ask those who dont. Ask Mulana Abdul Aziz aka Molve Burqa and Munawar Hussain. Ask the government how can Molvi Burqa be CDA's employee while having such beliefs. Ask those Pakistanis, those media houses including the one you serve in why they yapping against Lal Masjid operation back then, now that it is openly known to everyone what the same cleric (Molvi Burqa) has said about Peshawar Attack. Musharraf was right, you were wrong and now you again question him?

11) Is there a link between the rise of the TTP and the impunity with which groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi operate?
LeJ is a banned organization. They are kept on observation and will be stopped if they something like TTP. Until then there isnt much that can be done. Yes, the 'impunity' with which L-e-J exists in Pakistan does give rise to TTP but in a sense that TTP and other criminals know that they wont be harmed even if they are caught!

For this you have to first blame yourself, and also the government. It took us to roll out an anti-terrorism law! Something which the US did in days after 9/11 and India did it in weeks after 26/11.

Even now the govt has formed a facking committee to find an answer to Peshawar Attack. Govts ACT, as did the US after 9/11 and as did India after 26/11, not 'begin' to think. So, if that's the rate at which we are going to react, then my dear, yes there is a link between TTP's rise and LeJ's impunity.


12) Why is it that so many of those arrested in terrorist attacks are released soon after?
Ask the judiciary.


Ask Zardari who placed a moratorium of death penalty.

Ask the politicians why did it take them 4 years to come up with an anti-terrorism law.

We have been fighting internal security for more than a decade now, but the first ever so called National Internal Security Policy (NISP) came out just last year!!

Note: Military has been asking for these laws since 2001.


13) Would having stronger witness programmes, more efficient courts and a corruption-free police system help prevent these men from getting out of jail within days?
You are a genius!


Why didnt i think of this?!

14) Should we start thinking about how, if we were not taught to hate Hindus, Shias, and anyone who is not our brand of religion, this attack may not have been a chilling, logical conclusion to a string of such attacks. How can we change the way our schools teach?
Not every Pakistani hate Hindus. Or let me put it this way, not more than what Hindus think about Pakistanis. If we have JuD they have RSS and Bajrang Dal and others like PN Hoon and Col Prohit, but yes i agree, we need to change we are brought up, which has nothing to do with schooling, but with grooming done at homes.


15) What are we really trying to achieve when we say these attacks were not carried out by Pakistanis?
It was just a statement by stupid Politicians for the consumption of a common man having no idea of what has been happening.
Even today there was news in an Urdu newspaper that Peshawar attackers were not Muslims, so i had already tweeted that who fives a fcuk it werent? We will kill them either way!

16) What are we really trying not to think when we say these attacks were not carried out by Muslims?
Kyn? Bees sawal poray nh horhay thay kya?


17) Is there nothing to be considered between bombing and negotiations?

Building and spreading a counter narrative to the narrative of terrorist is one such thing. Though it is the job of politicians but the military has been on it since long.

18) Would bringing schools, water, electricity, roads, and basic respect to the tribal areas be an effective weapon against these terrorists?

It's not rocket science to understand this. Yes, it would. Hence, initiatives like these have helped main streamed parts of FATA:

Pak army's TDP Support & Management Operations

Application of Pak Army's Soft Prong in FATA / Malakand and its Impact

Again, this was govt's job, but the Army did it. Just to get the thing clear, the following slide is worth mentioning here:

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19) Would the military changing its policy regarding 'strategic assets' make these terrorists lose their awful potency?

If it is any solace, it was not the 'strategic assets' that had carried out the Peshawar Attack. Pakistan had supported Afghan Taliban so did the US. Fast forward to 2000, reportedly on Haqqani group was being 'supported', but even that changed with Zarb-e-Azb when everyone was targeted. Had the attack been carried out by Haqqanis or as by JuD as some claim that we also support it, then this question would have merit. But it was the TTP, a sworn enemy of Pakistan, its people, its way of life and its military that carried the attack. Having said that, terrorist, your or mine, all have to be eliminated to end this menace.

20) Is it possible to critique our military and government's policies regarding the Taliban, even while feeling immense pain for their dead children?
Why the butt hurt?

You already have criticized the military, especially the military with not much recourse to the govt.
 
1) The people who did this. Where do they get their money from? Where do they get their weapons?

Saudi Arabia and other Salafi countries that support the ideology of Takfir, which allows them to justify their killing of those opposed to their religious views including women and children. Weapons are bought by those funds provided to them by these Salafi funders. Others who might have some grudge with Pakistani state can then facilitate such purchases eg. Afghanistan or India.


2) Who provides them refuge? Why do they provide them refuge?

Currently, at least partially Afghanistan. But more importantly, it is the hospitality that the ideology of Takfir enjoys in some segments of Pakistani society itself eg. among Salafis, that allows these people to operate without impunity.


3) Where do they receive the indoctrination that makes them believe that killing children is justified? Which institutions are involved in this indoctrination? Why are these people chosen in particular?

Saudi Arabia. These harsh interpretations of religious texts, with emphasis on Takfir as its cornerstone, originally came from Saudi Arabia. Some state institutions of Pakistan previously facilitated and supported the dissemination of this ideology in Pakistan. No human being can go about massacring women and children with the aim of pleasing his God. The only people capable of doing such a thing are those who steadfastly believe that what they are doing is holy and this comes from Salafi Takfirism ideology.


4) If our intelligence is capable of intercepting calls, receiving messages from the Taliban (claiming responsibility), and receiving photos of the men who did this, why don't we question how these communications are possible without providing a lead to finding these people?

No amount of sophisticated intelligence can prevent all such attacks. There will always be some that will get through. These intercepts are not being monitored in real-time. They are rather call records that were analyzed after the incident. Much like a forensic evidence collection exercise.


5) Why have we not demanded more transparency from our agencies, given the spectacular intelligence failure that this turned out to be?

(Intel?) agencies can never be transparent. It is the antithesis of what they do. They can only be held accountable for what they have been ordered to achieve.


6) If bombing the Taliban has not resulted in fewer attacks, why do we keep calling for more bombing?

Bombing targets is only a tactical part of solving this problem. Ideologies can not be defeated by bombing. For a strategic result, decreasing the number of these attacks the ideology behind these attacks must be countered.


7) Why have we not asked the military to allow media access to Waziristan? Why do we trust everything we are told about Zarb-e-Azb?

Because it is not a fashion show. It is a counter-insurgency op, which must go on in a sterilized environment. There is nothing there to trust about it. The only thing media should worry about is to counter the narrative and ideology of these scumbags. Which I do not see, coming from Pakistani media.

8) Most of the men who are the perpetrators of these massacres believe they are going to heaven when they die. Will the death penalty instill any fear in them at all? If they are willing to kill themselves, does being killed by others seem a credible deterrent?

Theoretically no. That is why it is most important and most critical to counter their ideology which gives them this kind of power.


9) Is there a link between the killings of Ahmedis, Hazaras, Christians, Shias, shrine-attendees and the massacre that took place? Is there a common ideology at hand here?

Stupid question. Of course it is all linked. This common ideology is the ideology of Takfir which allows these scumbags to kill anyone, they do not like.


10) Is there a reason that we condemn some of these attacks and not others? Is that why the blame lies on us?

Because the societal segment of Pakistan that supports and apologizes for these scumbags is very powerful and hold important economic, journalistic, political and even military positions in Pakistan.


11) Is there a link between the rise of the TTP and the impunity with which groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi operate?

They are the same group, under different names for the purpose of operational targets. Same ideology, same people and same supporters. It is more like two brigade of the same army.


12) Why is it that so many of those arrested in terrorist attacks are released soon after?

Because these animals should be kept in a specially high security prison in the middle of a desert with the judges being under-cover judges whose identities are protected by a tight, closed and small unit of ISI. Such a system does not exist in Pakistan.


13) Would having stronger witness programmes, more efficient courts and a corruption-free police system help prevent these men from getting out of jail within days?

In context of Pakistan, police should not be burdened with this. It is neither capable nor equipped for such a task. The only instruction for police should be to call in a special unit of military which must be set up for these kind of purposes. Whether for witness protection or for protecting the jails.


14) Should we start thinking about how, if we were not taught to hate Hindus, Shias, and anyone who is not our brand of religion, this attack may not have been a chilling, logical conclusion to a string of such attacks. How can we change the way our schools teach?

The problem is not hate, differences or being critical of someone else. We can never eliminate hate and make a Utopian world. The problem is the ideology of Takfir which allows to translate even a minor hate to a killing spree. Removing all hates from a society is an un-achievable goal. Removing Takfir is do-able.


15) What are we really trying to achieve when we say these attacks were not carried out by Pakistanis?

Fooling yourselves.


16) What are we really trying not to think when we say these attacks were not carried out by Muslims?

Fooling yourselves.


17) Is there nothing to be considered between bombing and negotiations?

You do not negotiate with devil. You remove sympathy for his ideology among the society and bomb him.

18) Would bringing schools, water, electricity, roads, and basic respect to the tribal areas be an effective weapon against these terrorists?

While doing all those things are noble, but they are not the solution. For thousands of years humanity did not have those things but they did not go slaughtering children. Such lame excuses should be set aside and the focus should be the elimination of the Salafi Takfirism.

19) Would the military changing its policy regarding 'strategic assets' make these terrorists lose their awful potency?

Maybe. It is too soon to say. Because alot of these "strategic assets" are now independent and have the societal support as well as foreign facilitators. The game has changed. The monster is not dependent on its creator anymore.


20) Is it possible to critique our military and government's policies regarding the Taliban, even while feeling immense pain for their dead children?

Yes, it should be allowed to do that. But only for historical learning purposes so that mistakes are not repeated. Otherwise, this does not help with solving the problem. The solution to this problem does not lie in criticism of the same institutions that are burdened with solving it. The solution lies in people of Pakistan supporting these institutions and helping them to cleanse the society from the scourge of Takfirism.
 
Takfirism
Takfirism

Do you even know the meaning of 'Takfir' and 'Salafi'?

Takfir = refers to the practice of excommunication , one Muslim declaring a non-Muslim or an apostate, an unbeliever or kafir
Salafi = Someone who follows the salafi saliheen, i.e righteous ancestors.

This sectarian agenda you seem to have here is nothing more than tafarruq, which is Haram. How about you replace every single instance of 'Salafi' there with 'Extremist'? Because there's plenty of Deobandi, Shia, Barelvi, [insert sect],[insert sect], etc extremism too. You don't have to be a Salafi to be extremist and you don't have to be extremist to be a Salafi.
All extremist preachers should be arrested and their institutions and madrasse should be regulated. Not just Salafis.

Oh and the TTP don't train their recruits in Saudi Arabia, they do it in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

18) Would bringing schools, water, electricity, roads, and basic respect to the tribal areas be an effective weapon against these terrorists?

While doing all those things are noble, but they are not the solution. For thousands of years humanity did not have those things but they did not go slaughtering children. Such lame excuses should be set aside and the focus should be the elimination of the Salafi Takfirism.
They are a big part of the solution. Eliminating this ''Salafi Takfirism'' is not possible if there is a huge amount of people sitting around, suffering and cursing the state.
Oh, and people did go around slaughtering children in the past. A lot. A whole lot more than nowadays.
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@third eye
There seem to be 2 "Pakistan"s here.
One Pakistan is the normal people - like @Horus @Syed.Ali.Haider etc who just want to make a better living and go on with their lives. They love their country, want Pakistanis to prosper with economic activity, peace and also dream of Pakistan being fore front of the world through science, technology, economy etc
These people send their kids to schools, go to universities, want to get jobs or start companies etc.
Lets call this Normal Pakistan

The other kind is the one that wants "Pakistan" to "dominate" the world too. But how can they without getting something unique and special? so they hijacked the most revered thing for all Pakistanis and nearby regions - Islam. These people send their kids to brainwash camps, get other kids to be brainwashed, extract more and more extremist meanings out of Islam, use the force of the gun to implement it and will not listen to any reason or logic (they will term reason and logic as un-islamic) too.
Lets call this an extremist Pakistan

The normal Pakistan is pained immensely when the actions of the extremist Pakistan are equated with them. They want no part of it and are equally or more disturbed/affected by this extremist Pakistan.

I think the major question that is missing in your 20 questions is - who or what actions from this "Normal" Pakistan are letting the "Extremist" Pakistan thrive? Where do you draw the line that blurs the "Normal" to the "extremist"?

I think @Horus and @Syed.Ali.Haider belong to two separate camps, if you want to break it in that manner, then there are three Pakistans:

@Syed.Ali.Haider 's Pakistan is a liberal secular democratic state where religion is a matter of personal faith, education is western, military/ISI has much lesser or no grip over the democratically elected government, Afghanistan is a democratic country having strong economic ties with Pakistan, maybe India is also a major economic partner, there is zero tolerance for radicalism or terrorism without any bias, all talibans are bad talibans, and Hafeez Sayed is a terrorist.

@Horus 's Pakistan is more or less what Pakistan is today, but better managed. I think he would prefer a military government over a democratic/civilian government, ISI plays a greater role, Pakistan de facto rules Afghanistan with a puppet (or taliban) government, there are good talibans and bad talibans, and Hafeez Sayed is a strategic asset/social worker.

And the third Pakistan is @Zarvan 's Pakistan, It's a conservative sharia state always fighting a holy war, where all talibans are good talibans, and probably they rule the country.

Well, this is what I think, the quoted members may disagree though. :)

Btw, The sanest group of Pakistanis in this forum are the ones who are not living in Pakistan, just check the list of Pakistani moderators for example.
 
Terrorists are prepared to die, but only in a way they feel is befitting for them.

They don't want to be humiliated with the shameful death of a common criminal, their necks twisted as they hang on display in front of everyone. This humiliation is what deters them.
 
This is a spectacularly bias list of questions where mere hearsay has been presented as evidence against an organization that has sacrificed it's blood whenever the nation has asked it to and really, thank God that Army doesn't toe the line of Nawaz Sharif else we would still be negotiating with Taliban. Nawaz Sharif has yet to sign the orders for hanging and is a coward to the core, on the other hand, all of us have witnessed the reaction that the military is planning: fast, lethal and one of impact.

The myths of good Taliban are not documented and I fail to understand why should we engage in a war with everyone who owns a gun when the attacks in Pakistan over last few years has clearly helped us make a distinction between the Anti-Pakistan and neutral elements. Do these liberal fascists want us to go Hitler's way and go head-on with all militant groups even if they have nothing against Pakistan?

And lastly, the Indian involvement is too magnificent really to be given a benefit of doubt. Now, how come we always come across Indian ammunition at the sites of such carnage? What are half a dozen Indian councelates doing on Af-Pak border? Why does India go bang bang at Samjhota Express when it's ien establishment is behind that? Why even Nawaz Sharif has to tell us that India is messing up Balochistan? I can go on and on but some people are just blinded by India.

It is really sad to see that a significant minority of our educated heads find it fashionable to write against army; an army that has shed its blood more than any other international force engaged in WoT. Young men are going to graves, let's pay them some respect instead of insulting the very uniform they wear. With half a dozen serving officers in family, it's a personal pain for me to read such articles that are based on myths, assumptions and half baked truths. We owe this unity to winning out war.
 

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