2*MIG 35 >> RAFALE/EFT

[tvsram1992]

Again, there is a difference between a real prototype of the final Mig 35, or a modified Mig 29K, that can use the same techs!
So far they are just showing that the techs (AESA radar, integrated LDP, avionics) can be used in later versions of Mig 29K (that's why they won't work with AF and if at all with RuN), with minor modifications. That's it!
There is no prototype that has the 4 wing stations, because that needs a redesign of the wing, that has to be bigger as well, there is still only the old Mig 29OVT prototype that used the TVC nozzels and not even the Mig 29K modifications have them.
Same for Gripen NG, some modifications are done, but it has no IRST, no LDP, wings are also the older once, the final prototype needs bigger size wings, because auf the redesign of the gear bays...

The fact remains, there are no real prototypes of the Mig 35, or the Gripen E/F!

Then we can call it mig35 mk1
like wise we got su30mk,mk2,mki
when su30mki deal was signed there were no real .... like su30mki prototype was even su27variant........
but deal was signed,
now we are experiencing power of mki's , later super30's by 2012

 

[sancho]

Then we can call it mig35 mk1
like wise we got su30mk,mk2,mki
when su30mki deal was signed there were no real .... like su30mki prototype was even su27variant........
but deal was signed,
now we are experiencing power of mki's , later super30's by 2012

No mate, because they still are either Mig 29M2s, or Mig 29Ks, with some slight modifications, mainly in terms of techs only.
MKI is the same base Su 30MK, only customised for India. Apart from the addition of canards, there are no airframe changes, or re-designs, that would make it different from any other Su 30MK version.
And we are experiencing the power of MKI because it is a great fighter, with good potential, Mig 35 is not.

 

[rockstarIN]

No mate, because they still are either Mig 29M2s, or Mig 29Ks, with some slight modifications, mainly in terms of techs only.
MKI is the same base Su 30MK, only customised for India. Apart from the addition of canards, there are no airframe changes, or re-designs, that would make it different from any other Su 30MK version.
And we are experiencing the power of MKI because it is a great fighter, with good potential, Mig 35 is not.

Who did add the canards to MKI? Russian designers? or HAL guys?

 

[sancho]

Who did add the canards to MKI? Russian designers? or HAL guys?

Russians of course, they developed it for Su 35, HAL just made the licence production.

 

[tvsram1992]

No mate, because they still are either Mig 29M2s, or Mig 29Ks, with some slight modifications, mainly in terms of techs only.
MKI is the same base Su 30MK, only customised for India. Apart from the addition of canards, there are no airframe changes, or re-designs, that would make it different from any other Su 30MK version.
And we are experiencing the power of MKI because it is a great fighter, with good potential, Mig 35 is not.

Its okay, when the 4th gen ends u would see mig35 as most advanced 4++ gen fighter.
U ve to agree in present form mig35 would easily defeat su30mki.
BVR Fight
aesa of mig detects su30mki due to high rcs of 20sqm and has first option to shoot.
In dogfights mig35 is less in size and more maneuverable than mki.

 

[rockstarIN]

Russians of course, they developed it for Su 35, HAL just made the licence production.

If that is the case, is there any chance to integrate few Su-35 technologies into SU-30 MK1 MLU? like low radar signature features, using of more composites etc?

 

[sancho]

If that is the case, is there any chance to integrate few Su-35 technologies into SU-30 MK1 MLU? like low radar signature features, using of more composites etc?

We have no Su 30 MKs anymore, they were sold back and replaced by new MKIs.

 

[rockstarIN]

We have no Su 30 MKs anymore, they were sold back and replaced by new MKIs.

Im not talking about Mks, I wanna see Su-35 features in MKIs , specially low signature..

 

[tvsram1992]

Im not talking about Mks, I wanna see Su-35 features in MKIs , specially low signature..

That may not be possible due to the fact of high rcs 20sqm of mki variant. RAM and other coatings cannot be much efficient in this case.
Su30mki is a fully developed platform. It cannot be redsigned again.
The only good way can be developing su35mki in 2 years. As already mki feature is available it would take very less time to mki'se other flankers.

 

[tvsram1992]

We have no Su 30 MKs anymore, they were sold back and replaced by new MKIs.

We still have mk2 variants. We would completely replace them by mki's and super 30's by 2012-15. No we are not selling them back. We are modifying them. Any source???

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

i can,t say anything about indians choice but i really love mig-35 and would prefer it. i think it should be the best option.

 

[tvsram1992]

i can,t say anything about indians choice but i really love mig-35 and would prefer it. i think it should be the best option.

Mig is beautiful plane among 6 contenders.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Mig is beautiful plane among 6 contenders.

yep, it really inspires me.

 

[Ammyy]

We have no Su 30 MKs anymore, they were sold back and replaced by new MKIs.

Last year India ordered 42 sukhoi MKIs so if Sukhoi 35BM is much batter that MKI ( Even in recent order cost of MKI is almost 100 million) so why not SU35BM ?????

 

[tvsram1992]

Last year India ordered 42 sukhoi MKIs so if Sukhoi 35BM is much batter that MKI ( Even in recent order cost of MKI is almost 100 million) so why not SU35BM ?????

because su30mki beats su35bm in one on one fight.
If india seems to attack deep inside china then definetly it would have considered su35bm even su47/37berkut.
Except high rcs, mki has many features in it due to the fact it is composed of israel,french and indian technologies.
even if su35bm is mki'sed it would bang 120mln.
If india would ve though of pure russian technology it would ve opted su30mk/mkk version. So india needs some thing different. A multi role fighter, air superiority fighter,bomber fighter which is none other than su30mki as of now. Mig 35 would be occupying air superiority role greater than mki but remember it is medium weight class so obviously less weight, less payload.
U can get 5mig35's for 2su30mki's
5 migs can carry double the payload and range than 2 mki's.

Remember rcs is not much issue as permission is not easily given for pilots to shoot enemy,s aircraft unless he sees the real aircraft with eyes as there ll be more political and diplomatical pressure on country if it shoots passenger aircraft.

Efficiency of a2a missiles
Though a2a missiles fly at mach 4-5 speed , no such missile is reported to shot down a real aircraft. Justs tests are successful. Generally bvr a2a missiles are tested on ground ie like sams which do not exceed 5kms altitude. Only missile defense missiles are known to hit a moving target with high speed.
Practical example would include infrared r-73 fully operational a2a russian missile.
In vayu shakthi 2010 mki fired r-73 to a range not more than a km . That too a stationary target. If at all really it could ve hit a moving aircraft fast moving uav would ve been a target instead of stationary air target.
This is the case of russia , american and european missiles may be better than russian ones but they are not exceptions in case of efficiency.
Did any BVR missile shot a fighter aircraft any time?
More over permission is not given to pilots to shoot down a aircraft even in case of war unless they see the enemy craft.
World war is exception to this. This is not possible in case of india vs china/pakistan wars as shooting passenger planes would shake the world.
Can a a2a missile hit a target moving at mach speeds though it moves at mach 5. Maneuverability becomes issue here. Brahmos is the only missile known to maneuver till date. How can a missile maneuver continuosly as the target keeps on moving. Target is not a missile , so as we can predict its path and head towards target. Its an aircraft which can move in different directions. So it would be very difficult for missile to hit target. Dogfights are only proved ways to shoot down enemy's aircraft. History tells that. Till 2020 there is no real a2a missile which is bvr. The bvr we are saying is that moves with mach 5 at 150kms range and hits target if it i still on radar whose maneuverability is still questionable. If at all it could hit target it could ve been deployed as a2a anti missile system.The real bvr a2a missiles would take birth after 2020's which are air to air versions of advanced abm's.


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