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1971 War - Official Pakistani Version

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I guess ten Indian squadrons against a solitary PAF unit equipped with Korean era F-86 Sabres makes you Indians brave....but then again, the catch word is....Indian. !!

Windjammer, we both know that you are a silly little posturing gasbag, and come up with the most self-pitying lines justifying failure on every single front, but are you not going beyond your own previous best this time?
 
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well, I tried
Looks like this thread is heading towards being closed.
As I don't entertain criminal-Internet-Hindus, I would explain here the reason for bringing riot's issue. Noakhalians used to work at BISM of West Bengal by numbers during the pre-partition era. A Sr. friend of mine's father was one of them, who fled during the Kolkata's riot but witnessed hundreds of Fellow Noakhalian-Muslim's massacres. A thrilling story of his went like Gandhi once told his fellow Hindus of Kolkata that they couldn't convert Muslims to Hindus anymore since PAK was to come to being but he advised always to scheme against Muslims to make them something in between, so Muslimiat would fade away from East Bengali's minds. Since then derogatory Maha Shaitan emerged ahead of Gandhi’s name in BISM's survivor's minds. And the proof of Maha Shaitan was that Kolkata riot took place but Noakhali's one got halted.

In a cordial interview, Brigadier Zahirul Alam Khan (The author of 'The way it was' and SK. Mujib’s detainer on 25th March) opined above as the reason for the seed of the breakup of E PAK. It seemed like the irony of our fate as 90% of ours were to become the slave of 10% of Hindus of today's BD.
 
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Partition took place because there was no reason for Pakistan to be lumped in with India. We have nothing in common with you. India is more like Europe, with different people, languages and cultures. But unlike Europe, All these people have been crammed into one country. Pakistan did not want to be part of this experiment and decided to go it's own way.

I am not knocking India, so far they are more or less making it work, but you have to face the facts. There was never a country called India pre 47 and the only time the land was ever united in the last 4000 years was the few hundred years a strong ruler would conquer it.

Please, Rusty, stick to things that you know well and do well - like supporting this ****** creature M_Saint and his in-your-face bigotry.

Why are you trying your hand at stuff that you don't understand and don't wish to understand?
 
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Good to know that Indian jigar is banned. :tup: He was a west bengali if I am not wrong. Given a chance they always show their communal colors in completely irrelevant threads.
 
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......... and the cease-fire had been perfidiously converted to surrender.” I took a careful look at the documents and was aghast to see the heading – which read Instrument of ‘Surrender'……” writes Lieutenant General J.F.R.Jacob, Chief of Staff, Indian, Eastern Army. (Lieutenant General J.F.R.Jacob, “Surrender at Dacca : Birth of a Nation).

Pakistani Army Official Website:

1971 War

Either your general trolled Pakistan government or Pakistan wants to give example of topmost level of shamelessness.
Here is the Instrument of Surrender signed by great Islamic army doing jehad to Indian army. The jehad was lying on the floor beneath the foot heals of Indian commander when Islamic Army pleaded mercy before Indians
InstrumentOfSurrender.jpg

Instrument of Surrender (1971) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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chill, i am against any apology from Pakistan, infact i am against everything from Pakistan. We go our way, you go yours. We should cut off all relations between us, that would be the best for us since this scar, the day when our brothers fired on us, will always remain in our hearts :)

Brothers fight but eventually reconcile.
 
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Please, Rusty, stick to things that you know well and do well - like supporting this ****** creature M_Saint and his in-your-face bigotry.

Why are you trying your hand at stuff that you don't understand and don't wish to understand?
It doesn't matter whether a Hanomaner Bacca take name Messiah or Abraham because he would always fart curry but still froth day and night of its sacredness.
 
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No, India didn't! It never trained Mukti before 1971. infact there was no mukti before 25th march! Core of Mukti Bahini was first formed by Bengali soldiers in pakistan military after 25th march, then people joined one by one by crossing border, most awami leaders were in Kolkata....
that is your utter misconception..the mukhtibahinis were being trained inside WB before 1971..krishnanagar district had a few camps during the height of tension between mujeeb and pakistani government
 
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It doesn't matter whether a Hanomaner Bacca take name Messiah or Abraham because he would always fart curry but still froth day and night of its sacredness.

He would probably take neither name. He might take the name M_Saint, but then again, he might not; that might make him a Shu***er Bachcha. I don't know what M_Saints fart; most clean people try to stay reasonably clear.

Your story about Gandhi is total balls, btw.

that is your utter misconception..the mukhtibahinis were being trained inside WB before 1971..krishnanagar district had a few camps during the height of tension between mujeeb and pakistani government


I don't agree. Kobiraaz has it precisely right, from what I know, personally, and through army friends.
 
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I guess ten Indian squadrons against a solitary PAF unit equipped with Korean era F-86 Sabres makes you Indians brave....but then again, the catch word is....Indian. !!
yes definitely and gang-raping over a lakh women( sometimes gang-raping them to death) by heavily-armed pakistani soldiers against house-wifes,teenage girls and even children makes you "sherdils" isn't it???...but then again,the catch word is..Pakistani

He would probably take neither name. He might take the name M_Saint, but then again, he might not; that might make him a Shu***er Bachcha. I don't know what M_Saints fart; most clean people try to stay reasonably clear.

Your story about Gandhi is total balls, btw.




I don't agree. Kobiraaz has it precisely right, from what I know, personally, and through army friends.
na,amar didma boleche,it really existed in krishnagar during 1969-70
 
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Brothers fight but eventually reconcile.

Exactly why most people are waiting for an apology, as someone else said in one thread "Bangladeshis will embrace Pakistanis with open hearts if only they apologize once" But its almost meaningless now, as the government is filling young minds with half truths and hatred by reminding them of 71 which is awakening love for Mujib and so called patriotism. Its becoming a trend now
 
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With 1971 commenced the most tragic year of our history. Failing to resolve a political problem by political means, a Martial Law regime, manipulated by some megalomaniac politicians, resorted to military action in East Pakistan on night 25/26 March. Widespread insurgency broke out. Personnel of two infantry divisions and Civil Armed Forces with weapons were airlifted in Pakistan International Airlines planes, over-flying about 5000 miles non stop via Sri Lanka in the first week of April 1971 – the longest operational air move by Pakistan Army. By May near normalcy had been restored, thanks to the fast reaction, dedication and cool courage of our soldiers, sailors and airmen operating in a hostile environment under adverse climatic and terrain conditions, without adequate logistics and medical support. India's immoral covert armed intervention having failed, by October it had concentrated four times our strength in over 12 divisions (400,000) supported by five regiments of tanks, and about 50,000 activists trained and equipped by Indian Army. Indian Navy's one aircraft carrier, eight destroyers/frigates, two submarines and three landing crafts, against our four gunboats, eight Chinese coasters and two landing craft supported them. Eleven Indian Air Force squadrons – 4 Hunter, 1 SU-7, 3 Gnat and 3 MiG 21 – from five airfields around East Pakistan faced our one valiant Number 14 squadron of F-86F Sabres based on a single airfield around Dhaka .

On 21 November, Eid day, when our fatigued soldiers had been operating in the most hostile environment for almost ten months, including a month of fasting, the Indian army felt emboldened enough to launch a full scale invasion at over twenty fronts in the east, west and north of East Pakistan . Divisions attacked our brigade positions; brigades attacked our battalion, company and platoon positions, supported by their armour, artillery and lair force. When most of our defensive positions, rooted to the ground, could not be overrun, Indian forces after suffering heavy casualties resorted to outflanking moves. The aggressors could not capture, till the cease-fire; on 16 December, a single town except Jessore, which was not defended for strategic reasons. For the Pakistani soldiers this was their finest hour, fighting against heavy odds with their backs to the wall inflicting heavy casualties, bloodied but unbowed” when an Indian commander, through a messenger asked for our Jamalpur battalion to surrender, encircled by two brigades, the commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Sultan Ahmad, Sitara-i-Juraat of 31 Baloch replied in a message wrapped around a bullet which read, “I want to tell you that the fighting you have seen so far is very little; in fact the fighting has not even started. So let us stop negotiating and start the fight.” Similarly 4 Frontier Force under 205 Brigade (Brigadier Tajammul Malik) held out at Hilli for l19 days against 6 battalions, inflicting heavy casualties, till withdrawal on 11 December, after getting outflanked. Similar hard fought actions took place at Bahaduria and elsewhere by Punjab, Baloch, Frontier Force and Azad Kashmir units all arms and services, and Civil Armed Forces including West Pakistan Rangers and police units. 107 Brigades (Brigadier Mohammad Hayat, Sitara-i-Juraat) held at bay a division of 5 brigades and 2 armour regiments at Khulna inflicting heavy casualties till 17 December and ceased fighting only after repeated orders of our Eastern Command.

On the West Pakistan front, on 3 December 1971 , India attacked with the main effort against Shakargarh sector with three infantry divisions supported by three armoured brigades against our 8 Division front, operating under our 1 Corps (Commander Lieutenant General Irshad Ahmad Khan). The attack was halted in the tracks, inflicting heavy casualties. 8 (Independent) Armoured Brigade (Brigadier Mohammad Ahmed, Sitara-i-Juraat) effectively blocked and destroyed enemy penetration our minefield and saved Zafarwal from being outflanked by enemy armour. In Jammu and Kashmir , Chhamb, Lahore , Kasur, Sulemanki and Rajasthan sectors, war was carried into Indian territory , with success at some points, not so successfully at others due to inadequate forces and air support. For the Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force this conflict was their finest hour. Fighting against overwhelming odds in both wings of the country raged with full fury. Before our counter offensive could be launched in West Pakistan , India asked for cease-fire in the United Nations. The Ghazis and Shaheeds proved in their supreme hour of trial all the military virtues of Faith, Honour, Valour, Fortitude, Endurance, Loyalty, Group Cohesion and Unlimited Liability, and above all, the spirit of Jehad.

On 4 December 1971 , the United States moved a draft resolution calling for cease-fire and withdrawal of Indian forces, which was vetoed by Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Thereafter, another six resolutions including one by China were introduced calling for cease-fire and withdrawal of forces, some of which were accepted by Pakistan. However, due to behind the scene political machinations by India and her allies their passage and implementation was stalled till Dhaka fell on 16 December 1971 and the cease-fire had been perfidiously converted to surrender.” I took a careful look at the documents and was aghast to see the heading – which read Instrument of ‘Surrender'……” writes Lieutenant General J.F.R.Jacob, Chief of Staff, Indian, Eastern Army. (Lieutenant General J.F.R.Jacob, “Surrender at Dacca : Birth of a Nation).

Flawed national and operational strategy proved to; be disastrous for Pakistan , both politically and militarily. Power, national and operational strategy, the methodology of crisis and conflict management, and higher direction of war in which we had been found wanting in 1971.

Pakistani Army Official Website:

http://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=197&rnd=446

No matter what anyone claims..the truth is that we had a Free Nation of Bangladesh coming to life in 1971..... India acted as a catalyst... but most of the effort and blood spilling was done by Bangladeshis... Indians should not claim that we created Bangladesh...rather we helped an already strong separatist movement going on in East Pakistan at that time. Had Pakistan forces at that time avoided brute force ...we would still have East Pakistan on world map.
 
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yes definitely and gang-raping over a lakh women( sometimes gang-raping them to death) by heavily-armed pakistani soldiers against house-wifes,teenage girls and even children makes you "sherdils" isn't it???...but then again,the catch word is..Pakistani


na,amar didma boleche,it really existed in krishnagar during 1969-70

Very unlikely. It could not have happened without my father's knowledge and cooperation. The Army did nothing behind the back of the State administration. In 1969-70, the State administration was not even sure that it could hold elections; it was the height of the Naxal trouble in Calcutta, and the districts were not quiet either. On the other hand, relations with Pakistan were perfectly peaceful, and nobody expected trouble. Entertainment, perhaps, drama and discord, yes, but this kind of massive trouble, no. This was when Shankar Roychoudhury was a young Brigade Major operating out of Barrackpore, and he and his friends were busy helping the civilians maintain law and order. Both Aurora and Jacob were family friends, and there was never a hint from either of them that the Army was doing this, but in any case, the Army could not have trained MB personnel without the knowledge and consent of the civilian administration.

Definitely not authentic.
 
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