1971 India Pakistan War: Role of Russia, China, America and Britain.

[BetterPakistan]

Once again SAD! very SAD, first the video I posted is authentic, second your research isn't thorough (which again is SAD) cause u would have found that the Pakistan's highest Military Gallantry Medal The "Nishan-e-Haider" awarded to 2 NLI personnel for the kargil War - do some research and read the citations

Sad Really

You are really making it funny.

Let me make it simple for you.

The video you shared isn't authentic because it is a fan created video.
A lieutenant Gen ranked Kishan Pal who was a part of kargil has openly accepted indian defeat.
Gen VK singh (if you know who he is) openly accepted Musharraf crossed LOC and entered into Kargil before war and we couldn't stop him.
Your own govt & media accepted India lost 527 lives.
India troops strength was 25,000 while Pak troops + freedom fighters strength was only 5,000 (quoting wikipedia) and India lost 527 lives while Pakistan lost between 357-453 soldiers (wikipedia).
Wikipedia says Pak shot down 1 attack helicopter and 1 fighter jet of India when IAF violated Pakistan Air Space.
Wikipedia also says Pak crashed down 1 fighter jet of India.
Wikipedia says India 1363 soldiers were wounded while 665+ of Pak.
India lost Point 5353 near tiger hill which is in Pak control even after 16 years of war. Your military tried to gain it back after kargil but couldn't do so.
India during war quickly rushed to UN to make Pakistan withdraw its troops.

If not me at least believe Gen Kishan Pal. He is not a tv show anchor but a rtd lieutenant Gen and it doesn't matter if you don't accept the facts because facts won't change.

Till now you are still speaking blah blah. If you want to argue than argue in a mature way not like girls.

U accept Wikipedia as a neutral source!!Useless sayin anything to u now... Nd here i thought u werent as dumb as u seemed.... Nope we knew very well NSG wasnt possible now... But fr a sec take a luk at ur country's desperation. It knew tat if it went alone to the Nsg askin fr membership they wud scoff at ur pathetic state as the whole wrld knws ur country in a major violator tat provides nuclear tech to other countries... China pushed fr ur membership only bcoz it didn wanna give India the recognisation it deserves as they dont want India as competitor in the near future.... it knew tat adding u wud deter evryone nd here u r u guys think tat they actually want u guys to join the NSG

Am i running?? So u wont accept ur own Former ISI chief's statement stating that They were active personnel of the pak army...

Bacha Bann hogaya

If not wikipedia at least trust Gen kishan Pal.

 

[GuardianRED]

You are really making it funny.

Let me make it simple for you.

The video you shared isn't authentic because it is a fan created video.
A lieutenant Gen ranked Kishan Pal who was a part of kargil has openly accepted indian defeat.
Gen VK singh (if you know who he is) openly accepted Musharraf crossed LOC and entered into Kargil before war and we couldn't stop him.
Your own govt & media accepted India lost 527 lives.
India troops strength was 25,000 while Pak troops + freedom fighters strength was only 5,000 (quoting wikipedia) and India lost 527 lives while Pakistan lost between 357-453 soldiers (wikipedia).
Wikipedia says Pak shot down 1 attack helicopter and 1 fighter jet of India when IAF violated Pakistan Air Space.
Wikipedia also says Pak crashed down 1 fighter jet of India.
Wikipedia says India 1363 soldiers were wounded while 665+ of Pak.
India lost Point 5353 near tiger hill which is in Pak control even after 16 years of war. Your military tried to gain it back after kargil but couldn't do so.
India during war quickly rushed to UN to make Pakistan withdraw its troops.

If not me at least believe Gen Kishan Pal. He is not a tv show anchor but a rtd lieutenant Gen and it doesn't matter if you don't accept the facts because facts won't change.

Till now you are still speaking blah blah. If you want to argue than argue in a mature way not like girls.



Bacha Bann hogaya

If not wikipedia at least trust Gen kishan Pal.

Wow and REALLY SAD!!!! Fan Made ... Wow Now im Convicted U have total disrespect for your Fallen Soldiers!!! TOTAL

I have asked u to do research on your "Nishan-e-Haider" awarded to 2 NLI personnel for the kargil War BUT u have dishonoured them SAD !!! Really SAD!!!

I would rather Believe the CinC of the Kargil War ie. Gen Malik!

Sad only u will think Wiki is a Neutral Source ... Funny and SAD

 

[Major d1]

History is always reminding us what is history , Truth is always truth. Shouting is not the solution. Some people just force physically ------ funny .

 

[BetterPakistan]

Wow and REALLY SAD!!!! Fan Made ... Wow Now im Convicted U have total disrespect for your Fallen Soldiers!!! TOTAL

I have asked u to do research on your "Nishan-e-Haider" awarded to 2 NLI personnel for the kargil War BUT u have dishonoured them SAD !!! Really SAD!!!

I would rather Believe the CinC of the Kargil War ie. Gen Malik!

Sad only u will think Wiki is a Neutral Source ... Funny and SAD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishan-e-Haider

Nishan-e-Haider was awarded to 2 brave shaheed soldiers of kargil war named Lalak Jan who was the part of 12 Northern Light Infrantry and Karnal Sher Khan who was part of Sindh Regiment/12 Northern Light Infantry of Pakistan Army.

Okay, let me share some indian news with you.

http://pib.nic.in/feature/feyr2000/fjul2000/f210720001.html

Now deny the news I shared above in which your govt is claiming 527 indian soldiers died in kargil war.

 

[GuardianRED]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishan-e-Haider

Nishan-e-Haider was awarded to 2 brave shaheed soldiers of kargil war named Lalak Jan who was the part of 12 Northern Light Infrantry and Karnal Sher Khan who was part of Sindh Regiment/12 Northern Light Infantry of Pakistan Army.

Okay, let me share some indian news with you.

http://pib.nic.in/feature/feyr2000/fjul2000/f210720001.html

Now deny the news I shared above in which your govt is claiming 527 indian soldiers died in kargil war.

Why would I deny it ? .. who has deny it!!!! ....

U you say no Pak Soldiers was involved, then you say that the video is Fan made and did you read the link?

"Battalions of Northern Light Infantry (NLI) were wiped out by the Indian Forces in Kargil", the deposed Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharief told newsmen while in detention testifying to the ferocious counter attack launched by the Indian Army and Indian Air Force to evict the regular Pakistani intruders from Indian soil in the Drass, Batalik, Mushkoh sectors in June-July last year. The nation gratefully commemorates the sacrifices made by 527 brave soldiers and airmen for the success of "Operation Vijay", which is being observed as Kargil Vijay Diwas on July 26, 2000.

Sad really Sad!!! ..

@mods... this tread is out of topic and going no way , request to close this .. Thanks

 

[Major d1]

India won a glorious victory against Pakistan in the 1971 war. It was the first decisive victory in a major war in centuries. And it was won singlehandedly, in the face of opposition and threats from a majority of the UN member-States, including a superpower. Every Indian patriot felt proud of this glittering chapter in the nation's history.

Finally, the US move to send in the seventh fleet to “intimidate” India proved counter-productive. As soon as the American ships arrived, India decided to step up the offensive and para-dropped troops in Tangail to make a dash for Dhaka. As the capital fell, India forced a surrender before any international power could intervene

 

[BetterPakistan]

Why would I deny it ? .. who has deny it!!!! ....

U you say no Pak Soldiers was involved, then you say that the video is Fan made and did you read the link?

"Battalions of Northern Light Infantry (NLI) were wiped out by the Indian Forces in Kargil", the deposed Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharief told newsmen while in detention testifying to the ferocious counter attack launched by the Indian Army and Indian Air Force to evict the regular Pakistani intruders from Indian soil in the Drass, Batalik, Mushkoh sectors in June-July last year. The nation gratefully commemorates the sacrifices made by 527 brave soldiers and airmen for the success of "Operation Vijay", which is being observed as Kargil Vijay Diwas on July 26, 2000.

Sad really Sad!!! ..

@mods... this tread is out of topic and going no way , request to close this .. Thanks

No one was wiped out by indian force instead indian force was wiped out from Point 5353 by Pak soldiers. Your 5 times bigger force suffered more loss compare to 5 times lesser Pak force. You quickly rushed to UN to make Pakistan withdraw its troops. Till now you haven't presented any source, you are only arguing the kids way.

Read the entire thread. I have fulfilled this entire thread with sources to prove my point and you haven't presented anything credible yet. At least come up with a single thing to prove your claims?

 

[Joe Shearer]

No one was wiped out by indian force instead indian force was wiped out from Point 5353 by Pak soldiers. Your 5 times bigger force suffered more loss compare to 5 times lesser Pak force. You quickly rushed to UN to make Pakistan withdraw its troops. Till now you haven't presented any source, you are only arguing the kids way.

Read the entire thread. I have fulfilled this entire thread with sources to prove my point and you haven't presented anything credible yet. At least come up with a single thing to prove your claims?

Another piece of nonsense from the present obnoxious breed of Pakistani commentators who are educated on Wikipedia and YouTube.

My earnest request to you, @GuardianRED , is to cite authentic records and make them understand how silly their claims are (when their claims are silly, not when they are authentic). Don't waste time pointing out typos and unintentional mistakes.

These two members are particularly obstinate, so you have to decide whether to waste time and space on them.

 

[Major d1]

They just take some points and increase their discussion out of those points . @BetterPakistan. Bro- They have no ability to discuss from the main root . That is we say ignorance. Randis.

 

[Allen Iverson]

They just take some points and increase their discussion out of those points . @BetterPakistan. Bro- They have no ability to discuss from the main root . That is we say ignorance. Randis.

I'm sorry, the bolded refers to whom?? If that refers to some of your family members, then could you pls enlighten us with the meaning of that word.. Thanks in advance, Mr Wise guy..

No one was wiped out by indian force instead indian force was wiped out from Point 5353 by Pak soldiers. Your 5 times bigger force suffered more loss compare to 5 times lesser Pak force. You quickly rushed to UN to make Pakistan withdraw its troops. Till now you haven't presented any source, you are only arguing the kids way.

Read the entire thread. I have fulfilled this entire thread with sources to prove my point and you haven't presented anything credible yet. At least come up with a single thing to prove your claims?

Yyou see the beauty of History is that, the survivors can distort it any which ways they want.. There wont be much proofs to prove it otherwise for the younger generations.. Ya, that's what we can expect from a Pakistani who got educated in a Pakistani school..I have seen your text books full of such things.. So it is not your mistake, but that of your rulers, who chose to feed false history right from your childhood, which made you trust that, yes indeed it is true what your story tellers are feeding you with..

 

[GuardianRED]

Another piece of nonsense from the present obnoxious breed of Pakistani commentators who are educated on Wikipedia and YouTube.

My earnest request to you, @GuardianRED , is to cite authentic records and make them understand how silly their claims are (when their claims are silly, not when they are authentic). Don't waste time pointing out typos and unintentional mistakes.

These two members are particularly obstinate, so you have to decide whether to waste time and space on them.

Advice Noted @Joe Shearer and believe me , my previous post included sources BUT.. you know!

 

[Major d1]

Negative rating, After 10th .

 

[BetterPakistan]

Yyou see the beauty of History is that, the survivors can distort it any which ways they want.. There wont be much proofs to prove it otherwise for the younger generations.. Ya, that's what we can expect from a Pakistani who got educated in a Pakistani school..I have seen your text books full of such things.. So it is not your mistake, but that of your rulers, who chose to feed false history right from your childhood, which made you trust that, yes indeed it is true what your story tellers are feeding you with..

It is the best way to attack someone personally when you don't have arguments to prove your claims. I have also seen your books which teaches you to treat cows better than humans

If you got something credible than you are welcome to argue otherwise go away and lets assume i read false history as you say than what about Gen Kishan Pal who was a part of kargil war and accepted indian defeat openly?

Another piece of nonsense from the present obnoxious breed of Pakistani commentators who are educated on Wikipedia and YouTube.

My earnest request to you, @GuardianRED , is to cite authentic records and make them understand how silly their claims are (when their claims are silly, not when they are authentic). Don't waste time pointing out typos and unintentional mistakes.

These two members are particularly obstinate, so you have to decide whether to waste time and space on them.

Ignorant oldy, you back?

Its not a piece of nonsense, its the facts which you are not accepting. I will really suggest you to accept the facts or get lost because now its making me angry. You come up here again and again like an idiot and when you have nothing to talk than you run away, what the heck you are trying to prove? I am not obstinate, its you who are an ignorant fool.

And if you want to tell something to your fellow user than better quote him not me.

 

[barbarosa]

Un fortunately Bangladeshi people got independence their selves but became Hero Indian Army.
Bangladeshi died in thousands, and injured in Lakhs.
They loss their properties and trades.
They view their cutting children mothers sisters and brothers.
They could not become hero such as Gandhi, Mohammad Ali Jenah, Iqbal and Nehro.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is the best way to attack someone personally when you don't have arguments to prove your claims. I have also seen your books which teaches you to treat cows better than humans

If you got something credible than you are welcome to argue otherwise go away and lets assume i read false history as you say than what about Gen Kishan Pal who was a part of kargil war and accepted indian defeat openly?



Ignorant oldy, you back?

Its not a piece of nonsense, its the facts which you are not accepting. I will really suggest you to accept the facts or get lost because now its making me angry. You come up here again and again like an idiot and when you have nothing to talk than you run away, what the heck you are trying to prove? I am not obstinate, its you who are an ignorant fool.

And if you want to tell something to your fellow user than better quote him not me.

I really think that @PARIKRAMA , @MilSpec and @hellfire should deal with this pain in the.....elbow. He insists on quoting his silly little YouTube interviews and blog spots against recorded data and the testimony of Pakistani experts themselves, and I am getting sick of him. Either you kick his backside, or watch him spread more confusion around.