1971 India Pakistan War: Role of Russia, China, America and Britain.

[dray]

Here you go @GURU DUTT

I hope Gen VK singh isn't lying

Yeah i believe Kishan Pal, i belive neutral sources, I believe Gen VK singh and i respect them because they openly accepted their defeat.

Won't you believe lieutenant gen and gen of your country?

NS gave those statements when Musharraf govt was over and Pak was undergoing an election and NS gave such statements to politically win the elections and we all know what kind of statements are given in elections. I remember what kinds of statements Modi gave in elections

Let's go step by step on your video;

First step: Have you watched the video?

 

[BetterPakistan]

Let's go step by step on your video;

First step: Have you watched the video?

I feel what I posted is enough to demonstrate the truth. Bringing more indians in the discussion won't change the reality.

 

[dray]

I feel what I posted is enough to demonstrate the truth. Bringing more indians in the discussion won't change the reality.

Second step: Was Gen. VK Singh talking about Kargil war?

 

[BetterPakistan]

Second step: Was Gen. VK Singh talking about Kargil war?

He praised musharraf bravery, why you are having a problem about it? Everyone knows musharraf crossed LOC but no one was able to stop him

 

[illusion8]

@Rain Man, bro..first step on your end - will the education even register?

 

[dray]

He praised musharraf bravery, why you are having a problem about it? Everyone knows musharraf crossed LOC but no one was able to stop him

Third Step: Praising about what?

 

[T90TankGuy]

India vs pakistan ? we say Bangladesh is enough for india. Why and how that is secreted. We have 19 lacks Army with nuclear facilities that doesn't mean you are big boss. US has also the same capability but the got kick from vietnam. Why they lost the war that is the answer of your question.

By the way- India knew that two sides of Pakistan is dangerous for India . Pk border- kashmir border- LOC - karachil - china border- bangladesh border- myanmar border. napal- Bhutan. How many Army you have ?? Its all about strategy. So they in the summary of 1971 came to show their face. Mukti- bahini conquered bd but signed by India. What a shame.

You need lessons in English and history.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Third Step: Praising about what?

Cross question: Was Kishal Pal a part of kargil?

 

[dray]

First of all I don't trust rediff. Secondoly Nawaz Sharif has a personal fight with musharraf that's why he said that.He tried to politically undermine musharraf so it is all crap. Nawaz Sharif gave these statements when Pak was going to another election and at that time Nawaz Sharaif gave all those rubbish statements just to defeat musharraf govt in elections so it is all crap. I mean who will believe to such statements given after 8 years of war

I will suggest you to search a neutral source whichever you want and you will find that Pak dismantled your 25,000 soldiers in your own area with a 5,000 force and freedom fighters. Both freedom fighters and Pak force were not even half of Indian 25,000 soldiers but the results clearly shows more indian force was killed. Secondly, indian fighter jet was also crashed down when it entered into Pakistan soil. India quickly urged UN to ask Pakistan to withdraw its troops. Pervez Musharraf crossed LOC and entered in indian occupied kashmir before kargil war but none of your military one dare to stop him

Watch this video to see Gen Kishan Pal accepting indian defeat

Another one for you fellow

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/not-convinced-we-won-kargil-lt-gen-kishan-pal-to-ndtv-419433

Posted on 25 May 2011

A General who led the Indian Army on ground in the Kargil conflict, has broken his 11-year silence to say that he believes India actually lost the war in strategic terms. In an exclusive interview to NDTV, Lieutenant-General Kishan Pal, who was then the head of the Srinagar-based 15 Corps, says India has failed to consolidate its tactical gains.

The Indian commanding officer Lt Gen (Retd) Kishen Pal goes on to say–we lost Kargil.

“I consider this loss of war because whatever we gained from the war has not been consolidated, either politically or diplomatically, it has not been consolidated militarily,” Lt Gen (retd) Kishen Pal.

Recent news stories from Bharat are shedding new light on Kargil. The final history has not been written. When we wrote the original article it was dismissed by some Bharatis. New evidence now shows that even Bharati Generals like General Kishen are echoing our original write up. Kargil keeps Kashmir alive. The world since Kargil knows that there can be no peace in South Asia if Kashmir is not resolved.

Bollywood clips cannot change the facts on the ground of Kargil. 11 years after the episode, the truth has come out. Bharat falsified records, fired innocent officers, and exaggerated the incident and hid the number of casualties.

WE ARE NOT CONVINCED THAT WE WON THE WAR. “I consider this as a loss of war”. Lieutenant-General Kishan Pal



Kashmir which had been forgotten is boiling today and on the international agenda. Kargil gave a new life to the Kashmiri freedom movement.

India Lost Kargil War – Lieutenant-General Kishan Pal
Indians have been celebrating ephemeral victories in 1948 and 1998 in Kargil. After a decade the truth has begun to percolate.

Bharati generals have begun to question their victory.

Bharat suffered more deaths than Pakistan, however that is still cloaked in lies and secrecy.

Bharat never recovered all the peaks, that is still hidden. Pakistan will not brag about it, and Bharat is too ashamed to admit it.

The Israeli role was never fully divulged. Without external help from the US and Israel, Bharat was totally doomed to lose all of Kashmir



The rest is all Bollywood.

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I always say this country cant do anything alone against Pakistan... the country is 3rd world country thats it who have just money nothing else more.. India always need support from International power but still not achieve her goal fully... the country cant capable to do any single action against Pakistan. Unfortunately a General who led the Indian Army in Kargil War finally opened his mouth!

you cant deny the fact...

Again another slap!

First announced successful missiles test after 10 years ... Indian scientist said.. our test was not successful

Again another slap on Indian faces... in past claimed that we WON THE WAR unfortunately.. A general who was fighting that war ... no 3rd source... he finally opened his mouth and accept that we not won the Kargil"



Read the rest of Full Article ...“We lost Kargil” Lieutenant-General Kishan Pal|Times of Bombay

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/“we-lost-kargil”-lieutenant-general-kishan-pal.111185/#ixzz4CyREWfOp


here you go @GURU DUTT

While you are struggling to complete the first three steps, let's go to the Fourth step also: You have posted this video of Lt. Gen. Kishan Pal thrice, what was he saying?

 

[Uzair Shafiq [Босс]]

Sir, that is called maturity. Waging war after knowing that we will win is never a victory. India's hands were forced in 1971 war. If you had kept all your genocide, raping and killing within your borders why is India going to interfere ? Your people came across the border seeking India's help, help was served. That's all. Pakistan lost to India which just came to 'help'. Imagine if India comes at you with an intention to 'win'. Every country should know its place.

You're entire army could be solo'd by the Pakistani Civilians alone.
Lol You noobs
only know how to make tall claims yet when it comes to backing you're talk you run away.
You couldn't even win the kargil incident even with air and naval support compared to Pakistan's Light youth infantry.
Proof is widely available on "NEUTRAL" Resources.

 

[BetterPakistan]

While you are struggling to complete the first three steps, let's go to the Fourth step also: You have posted this video of Lt. Gen. Kishan Pal thrice, what was he saying?

you guys aren't accepting the facts and insisting me to accept your imagined made history.

You're entire army could be solo'd by the Pakistani Civilians alone.
Lol You noobs
only know how to make tall claims yet when it comes to backing you're talk you run away.
You couldn't even win the kargil incident even with air and naval support compared to Pakistan's Light youth infantry.
Proof is widely available on "NEUTRAL" Resources.

even gen pal was a part of kargil and also a lieutenant gen openly accepted that india lost kargil.

India openly accepted that they lost 587 troops lives.

Gen VK singh openly accepted musharraf crossed LOC before kargil and entered into indian occupied kashmir but we were not able to stop him.

 

[neem456]

Yeah i believe Kishan Pal, i belive neutral sources, I believe Gen VK singh and i respect them because they openly accepted their defeat.

Won't you believe lieutenant gen and gen of your country?

NS gave those statements when Musharraf govt was over and Pak was undergoing an election and NS gave such statements to politically win the elections and we all know what kind of statements are given in elections. I remember what kinds of statements Modi gave in elections

So were all those ex army men and ex ISI people also in election mode. Refer post no : 44

You dont want to believe them as well, the so called neutral source of yours ?

 

[BetterPakistan]

So were all those ex army men and ex ISI people also in election mode. Refer post no : 44

You dont want to believe them as well, the so called neutral source of yours ?

If you go and see the video than you will hear Gen Aziz didn't said that Pak lost kargil war, he just criticized musharraf for starting it. Better watch the video first

Secondly, gen pal accepted the defeat. Gen VK singh accepted that musharraf crossed LOC. India openly accepted that they lost 587 lives. India openly accepted that Point 5353 was acquired by Pak and still in Pak control. You are a 6.67 times bigger nation than us and lost a war, do you what does it mean?

 

[Desertfalcon]

if America really had helped than their won't be any india

America clearly sided with Pakistan in '71 but the situation for Pakistan was almost certainly, a no-win scenario. I posted this some time ago in another thread but think it relevant here...

"Well, Pakistan's was also a "two front war", the difference though was that India had interior lines of supply and communication, a clear strategic and logistical advantage. Militarily, it was virtually impossible for Pakistan to keep hold of East Pakistan,"

Nothing could change that strategic fact.

 

[dray]

because you guys aren't accepting the facts and insisting me to accept your imagined made history.

Since you came across as a poor student, let me spoon feed you.

1. Gen VK Singh was talking about an incident where Gen Musharraf sneaked into Indian territory once, he was not talking about Kargil war, and Gen Musharraf is good at sneaking in and out of enemy territories and lost battlefields. He was probably the only Pakistani army officer who could sneak out of the battlefield in 1971 war and escaped from ending up as PoW of Indian army. You have to give credit where due.

2. Lt. Gen. Kishan Pal basically said that India won the Kargil war but failed to consolidate the victory politically and diplomatically. Our victory in 1971 war is also criticized for this failure, but that doesn't mean that our military didn't won the wars for the country by convincingly defeating the enemy.