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1965 war:The Chinese bluff

Two important factors triggered the 1965 conflict with Pakistan.

The first one was the visit to India of US Assistant Secretary of State Averell Harriman and British Secretary for Commonwealth Relations Duncan Sandys on November 22, 1962.

This was the day China declared a unilateral ceasefire in the war with India. The visit was supposedly to assess India's needs to resist Communist China. But both envoys 'made clear their governments' willingness to provide military assistance to India but pointed out the related need for negotiations to resolve the Kashmir dispute.'

The Kashmir card
A clear signal was given to India -- yet to recover from the blackest month of her history -- that she had to compromise on Kashmir.

Consequently six rounds of talks between India and Pakistan were held to find a solution for the vexed issue, but to no avail. However, Ayub Khan, the Pakistani president, must have taken the Western intervention as an encouragement for his claim.

The second factor came into the picture soon:
Pakistan began a dangerous liaison with China. On March 2 1963, (between the 3rd and 4th round of Indo-Pakistani talks), Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Chen Yi signed an agreement in Beijing graciously offering more than 5,000 sq km of Kashmir territory to China.

This made the US State Department stop to think. With Pakistan getting closer to China, should Washington continue its military assistance to Pakistan?

While continuing to squeeze India on Kashmir, the Western Powers were getting uncomfortable with the strange situation. They were supplying armaments to Pakistan, which in turn was flirting with Communist China.

In a long letter to India's chief ministers on May 23, 1963, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru lucidly pointed out: 'Pakistan has been and continues to be a headache. By a curious quirk of circumstance this has got tied up with the Chinese menace. Surely, there must be few instances in history of a country tying itself up with military alliances against some of the countries, in the present case, Communist countries, and then suddenly turning over and coming to an understanding with one of these Communist countries.'

'They (the US and the British) realise, I suppose, that Pakistan is slowly slipping away from their influence. They try to prevent this by bringing pressure on India to come to a settlement with Pakistan about Kashmir. Because of Chinese aggression on us, Pakistan's appetite has grown tremendously and she feels that now is the time to extract the most from us.'

In Washington, the Kennedy and then the Johnson administration considered 're-balancing' their assistance between Indian and Pakistan. After a visit to the subcontinent in December 1963, General Taylor, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote to the US Defence Secretary: 'But in spite of (Ayub's) strong objections of US help to India, I have the feeling that while he is swallowing hard, it is going down.'

Ayub Khan would have to swallow the pill:
if he wanted US support, there was no way that the love story with Beijing could continue. At the same time, the general sensed that Pakistan's dream to rule over the Kashnmir valley was fading away.

He thought of the same solution as Jinnah in 1947:
To organise infiltrations into Kashmir by troops in mufti who would create a popular insurrection. The scheme could succeed if it was better prepared than in September/October 1947. The Pakistani planners thought that through an 'Algerian-type' people's struggle for self-determination, it would not be long before the people of the valley started asking for their reattachment to Pakistan.

Air Marshal Asghar Khan, the then Pakistan Air Force chief, wrote that Operation Gibraltar was based on three assumptions: the raiders would receive the support of the local population, India would limit its retaliation to 'Azad Kashmir' and finally and most importantly, that the Indian troops would in no circumstance cross the international border.

One more assumption was that Beijing would intervene in the conflict and support Pakistan by opening another military front against India.

The first assumption failed simply because most of the raiders the Gibraltar Force were foreign to the Kashmir valley, they did not speak the language, and did not even know that the metric system was in use in Kashmir. When the strategic pass of Haji Pir opening the gate to 'Azad Kashmir' fell into Indian hands, the Pakistani military rulers realised that Op Gibraltar would not succeed.

They then hatched a new scheme: Op Grand Slam. The intention was to capture and destroy the Akhnur bridge (in an area known as 'Chicken Neck'); this would cut the road which was the umbilical cord for the valley, completely isolating it from Jammu, 30 km away from Akhnur.

With the fate of Kashmir in the balance, then prime minister Lal Bahadur Shastri took a bold, unexpected decision: India would cross the International Border and advance toward Sialkot. On September 5, 1965 at 5 am, the Indian Army moved into Pakistan.

The rest of the operation is history.

The last assumption was that a Chinese threat would cow down the Indian leadership and eventually force India to reposition some of her limited forces on the new front extending from NEFA (North Eastern Frontier Alliance, now the states of northeast India) to Ladakh.

But despite the close relation newly developing between Pakistan and China, it was not on Beijing's agenda to support Pakistan in a war with India.

The best proof is the transcript of a long meeting between Zhou Enlai, the Chinese premier, and Ayub Khan on April 2, 1965 in Karachi. The entire discussion focused around the US role in Vietnam. Zhou wanted the US to know (through the intermediary of Ayub Khan) that Beijing 'will go to Vietnam if Vietnam is in need, as we did in Korea' and if 'the US expands (the war) to Chinese territory, the war will have no limits.'

A military map recently released by the CIA shows that only 61,000 Chinese troops were deployed in the Tibet military region compared to 151,000 in Kunming and 327,000 in Guangzhou regions. This shows that the real focus of China's military forces in 1965 was to assist Ho Chi Minh's 'people's revolution' in Vietnam.

Around that time a secret report prepared by the CIA stated that the objectives of China's foreign policy were 'to eject the West from Asia… to increase the influence of Communist China in Asia and through the underdeveloped areas of the world and supplant the influence of the USSR in the world.'

If China could weaken an India already entangled in its conflict with Pakistan, without having to recourse to war, Beijing would come closer to some these objectives.

After India crossed the International Border, things moved faster. On September 7, the ambassador of Pakistan to China met Liu Shaoqi, the Chinese head of state, with a letter from Ayub Khan requesting Chinese assistance.

The next day, the epistolary attack on India started. Beijing began accusing Delhi of having sent patrols which trespassed on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control in the Aksai Chin region and in Sikkim. For the first time since the 1962 conflict, these alleged intrusions were linked to the situation in Kashmir.

The Note says: 'They are by no means accidental, occurring as they did at a time when the Indian government was carrying out armed suppression against the people in Kashmir and unleashing and expanding its armed aggression against Pakistan. Facts have proved once again that India has not the slightest respect for its neighbours but makes incursions, harassment and encroachments upon them whenever there is a chance.'

Of course, the Indian Army had not intruded into Chinese territory, but allegations did not cost Beijing anything.

On September 12, India replied citing the Pakistani infiltrations and then the full-fledged Pakistani attack (which had been acknowledged by the UN: 'These are facts which are well-known to the world.'

On September 16, the tone mounted again; Beijing accused Delhi to have built structures on the Chinese side of the Sikkim-China border and rejected the Indian denial: '(The Indian note) further shamelessly asserts that Indian troops have never crossed the Sikkim-China boundary... and that India has not built any military works either on the Chinese side of the border... This is a bare faced lie.' The Note ended with a threat, India had to withdraw; 'otherwise, the Indian government must bear full responsibility for all the grave consequences arising therefrom.'

The next day, Delhi which could not afford to start a fresh front, informed Beijing that it was ready for a joint inspection of the Sikkim-China border, 'If any structures are found on the Tibet side of the border, there can be no objection to their being demolished.'

Regarding China's stand on Kashmir, the Note stated: 'it is nothing but interference on the part of China calculated to prolong and to enlarge the conflict.'

The tension continued to mount as the matter was discussed by the Security Council. By that time, Delhi had informed Moscow and Washington of the Chinese ultimatum. For once, the leaders of the two blocs agreed that the Kashmir issue had to be solved through the Security Council and China had no business to interfere.

The Chinese threatening notes however increased the pressure on India to compromise. On September 19, the Chinese sent a new ultimatum (for the day of the ceasfire September 22): 'From their own experience the Chinese people can deeply understand how Pakistan has been bullied by the Indian government. The Chinese government gives all-out support to the people of Kashmir in their struggle for the right of national self-determination.'

The exchange of notes continued during the following days, but as stated in the Indian Official Report of the 1965 War: 'in real sense (China) had neither any intention nor any capacity to strike against India.'

Finally a ceasefire was accepted by India and Pakistan on September 22/23. The exchanges of notes and allegations/denials continued, but the military urgency to defend a second front had disappeared.

Ironically, nobody knew at that time that the Chinese leadership was in total disarray.

Though the Cultural Revolution had not officially started, the leadership struggle between Mao, Jiang Qing (Mao's wife) and Lin Biao (the defence minister) on one side and Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping on the other had started. Mao had sent all his staff and security (known as Group One) in the 'countryside' to work in the fields with the peasants.

Lin Biao was very sick, spending most of his time in hospital. Further there was a violent struggle between Lin Biao and Luo Ruiqing, the PLA chief. Lin Biao believed that ideology was the most important factor in war, while Luo wanted the PLA to acquire modern equipment and receive a proper training.

Around the same time, Yang Shangkun who later became Chinese president was purged by Mao for being too close to Liu Shaoqi. With many of the main players either purged or 'sent to the countryside', Zhou Enlai complained that nothing could be done in Beijing: 'we have so few capable people (left].' In this condition, it is impossible to envisage that the Chinese leadership was serious to open a new front against India.

But the bluff worked well: it tremendously increased the pressure on Shastri and his government, forcing him to agree to a ceasefire just when the tide had turned in India's favour on the battlefield.

Claude Arpi, French dentist turned Tibetologist living in India, is a regular contributor to rediff.com
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This is the real Picture of history of Chinese Geo-Politics for subcontinent; typically suggestive of nations do invest resources only for their own interest but not to help by running extra mile for its all season friend.
Whatever the case was of Chinese assistance to Pakistan in 1965; can be explained as too late, good for nothing and when the damage was already done. The kargil war was not an exception. The history will repeat itself.
By preparing Pakistan for a war china has enacted as a catalyst to arm race in Indian sub continent.
To every action there will be a opposite reaction for India and Pakistan but this law of physics is not applicable for china as far as subcontinent is concern.
The same china will come back collecting either pieces of Pakistan to prove its friendship like they did in 1965 or Indian pieces to gain its supremacy in Asia. In both situations China will be winner.

Fortunately the subcontinent is not the world. There are powers setting in equilibrium to chines design of overwhelming subcontinent as every extra Chinese bullet built will be replicated in USA. So as long as US weight stays in Chinese Ocean the later will be bent towards the same but not towards mountains and Pakistan.

Hope peace will prevail between India and Pakistan and Chinese grand game of Asian supremacy will deflate soon.

I invite members to pour their thought into this old article thread of history. Lets us adjudge whether Chinese bravo belly crawlers will cross Nathu La in case of war between India and Pakistan(God forbid).
 
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Publishing date and time:

September 30, 2005 19:09 IST

Very old, irrelevant and hence this topic is worthless.

Hope mods close this thread as soon as possible.
 
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Publishing date and time:

September 30, 2005 19:09 IST

Very old, irrelevant and hence this topic is worthless.

Hope mods close this thread as soon as possible.

O...it hurts hannn...
the article is about history not present. So 1965 history wont change in 2005.
 
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I am talking about peace here and exposing Chinese evil desire to ruin sub continent. Talk some thing to counter it if you can.
 
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I've read many pakistani army officer get frusrated over the faiure to overrun Aknur when they had the chance and cutoff the chicken neck ,its vital link to to kashmir isolating it from rest of india.But due to lchange in commanding officer at the last moment,india got 24hr reprive to back up it defences and pakistna could never capture Akhnure again.

But they dismiss the whole point of india crossng international border due to the very fact it wanted to relieve the pressure in kahmir.And in any case we were going to attck their homes in Lohore even if Akhnur had fallen and its would have been much bloodier than the defensive war both armies faught once india manage to secure Akhnue to certain extent.Indian thrust in pakistan slowed down and its aggressibe posture had tapered by the fact its had already diminished the threat to kashmir.
 
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As far as my reading goes, the only time Chinese gave sort of a green signal to Pakistan (to attack IAK) was during the Nefa conflict. In 1965, the Chinese were not taken into confidence and like Americans/British, they were also surprised by the utter stupidity of self-proclaimed FM Ayub Khan and his Generals as well as Mr. Bhutto. The Chinese were approached much later, and they showed no hesitance to support Pakistan both morally and logistically.
 
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To my understanding; we both India and Pakistan know so much about each other that even being enemies; the win post war for either side will yield nothing beneficial to anyone.

1. Geographically we are so closed to each other that in a nuclear war, they have destroy every single state simultaneously otherwise India will be able to avenge in detail in case if they will spare north India (During I.K Gujral govt. it was well reported that nuclear tipped missiles were moved into up North! as well.). And if they will cover maximum territory including North india the rivers may not be able to follow the natural course and will become contaminated for many years i.e. the life line of Pakistan.

2. The global pressure due to information technology etc are unprecedentedly high, built in mounted for ever and impossible to deceive that even status Par LOC will be difficult to turn on favour for either side. Also the spread of population is so vast that technically winning an area will result into a fear of massive human loss which will further make any maneuvering army to halt and delay.

3. We both share many things inherited culturally same like language way of rationalizing family values etc. So at the end of the day many candles will lit across both border against all odds to help and sooth each other.

4. Both nations are deprived of overwhelming resources to trigger rapid production of home made effective arsenal as far as conventional weapons are concerned. Post 1971 non of the nation is able to proclaim advantage over the same. Thanks to inability of both nations to develop cutting edge mastery in war toys. Furthermore if anyone be able to get little ahead in domiciliary expertise the later will follow the suit instantaneously.
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Now their is a question of external help as the topic suggests. The history clearly explains that china is too big to take clear sides. The Chinese members here may shout something else cause they are not big like china itself to understand what they will be able to practically do. Rather they are exposing them self as they are here to see Indo-Pak circus of hatred for fun and tease immediate potential competitor India. Its like doing without knowing.

Anyhow the balance between India and pakistan will severely favour Pakistan in case china will take clear stand for Pakistan. Otherwise there is no chance that Pakistan be able get advantage in near future of any kind. So if china can assure its defence umbrella to Pakistan then why she would sell arms to Pak but deploy its forces directly at the disposal of Pakistan openly.
Why there is a hypocrisy specially with chines members here when out mouthing unconditional, unofficial PLA support thus spoiling already vulnerable relationship between India and Pakistan.
 
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As far as my reading goes, the only time Chinese gave sort of a green signal to Pakistan (to attack IAK) was during the Nefa conflict. In 1965, the Chinese were not taken into confidence and like Americans/British, they were also surprised by the utter stupidity of self-proclaimed FM Ayub Khan and his Generals as well as Mr. Bhutto. The Chinese were approached much later, and they showed no hesitance to support Pakistan both morally and logistically.

Please be alarmed about the timing of chinese support and do you think china was capable to provide practically any logistical support to Pakistan? They were even not able to sustain their advances in Arunachal pardesh due to nature of terrain demanding heaps of logistical support. And what happened in 1971 and 1999 is testimony to chines constraints of many kind to openly support PA.

May be things needs to be cleared here.
As per most of the assertion by both Pak and Chinese members here in this forum explains an extraordinary symbiosis and romance is going on here. As in statistics we incur sample to determine nature of large product. So my curiosity to understand; of what kind of support from china is expected by Pakistan has became malignant .
The only defence and analytical approach one may be able to quench from this exceptional romance is the propaganda war.

I would request members here to clarify this, cause to me chines support to Pakistan in case of war with India will be not fruitful if china is not going to come openly and attack India in that situation.

I can imagine 60000 NLI troops and 30000 15th air born chines crossing LOC will be able to win war in 5 days for Pak. Is it possible? if not than rest of the so called logistical, propaganda and political support will yield nothing but humiliation for china due to Goe political segregation and permanent Indian reluctance to accept chines goods, blockade in Indian ocean etc.
 
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Please be alarmed about the timing of chines support and do you think china was capable to provide practically any logistical support to Pakistan? They were even not able to sustain their advances in Arunachal pardesh due to nature of terrain demanding heaps of logistical support. And what happened in 1971 and 1999 is testimony to chines constraints of many kind to openly support PA.
Things have to be seen and analyzed in the proper context. There is no question that Chinese had upper hand in the 1962 war and there are no two opinions about it. Secondly, China and Pakistan had not signed up any defense pact that would force China to send her troops to help Pakistan in case of a war. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Pakistan did not infiltrate its troops in the IAK with the consent or advice of China; Pakistan did not even bother to take Chinese into confidence about its misadventure. Why the hell should China have sent her troops to help Pakistan? As far as defense procurements are concerned, Chinese never said ‘No’ to Pakistan and helped Pakistan as much as Pakistan wanted herself to be helped.

May be things needs to be cleared here. As per most of the assertion by both Pak and Chinese members here in this forum explains an extraordinary symbiosis and romance is going on here. As in statistics we incur sample to determine nature of large product. So my curiosity to understand; of what kind of support from china is expected by Pakistan has became malignant. The only defence and analytical approach one may be able to quench from this exceptional romance is the propaganda war.
When Pakistan was refused from getting any serious weapon system from the Americans and the Europeans, who came forward to help Pakistan? From whom did we get the tanks, and airplanes that makeup the backbone of our forces? Who agreed to help us with ballistic missile technology? Who is helping us erecting nuclear power plant? All these look like propaganda war to you?

I would request members here to clarify this, cause to me chines support to Pakistan in case of war with India will be not fruitful if china is not going to come openly and attack India in that situation.
And why should China fix the stupid mistakes made by Pakistani Generals and Politicians? Had Yahya asked Chinese before refusing Mr. Mujib to form the Government? Had Yahya asked the Chinese before passing the orders to crush the Bengali protestors and massacre in East Pakistan? Had Musharraf asked the Chinese before going for a misadventure in Kargil? He did not even take the Chiefs of the Air and Navy, and the PM into confidence let alone Chinese; Why Chinese should have come forward to take the stupid Pakistani rulers out of the mess they had created by themselves?

I can imagine 60000 NLI troops and 30000 15th air born chines crossing LOC will be able to win war in 5 days for Pak. Is it possible? if not than rest of the so called logistical, propaganda and political support will yield nothing but humiliation for china due to Goe political segregation and permanent Indian reluctance to accept chines goods, blockade in Indian ocean etc.
Why it should be? There is no such defense pact in existence between the two countries. As far as defense procurements are concerned, we are getting anything we want, or we can afford from China. We would get even more if our Generals come out of the obsession of the so-called superior western technology.
 
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@ qsaak.
Thanks for clearing up many things but as per my observation; for majority of Pakistanis you have raised many controversial allegations to your own people in power in those times as per you when many blunders were done leading to Pakistani defeat or disadvantages against India.
Being an Indian i wont mind any of your assertion; actually this is what we want from most of the Pakistanis to admit. For you these were misadventures but for India these were Wars when we lost our men and started distrusting pakistan like never before cause man in power in Pakistan was itching to raise war for fun.

I am afraid there will be more Pakistanis like you even here in this forum to openly admit those blunders done by people in power but i may see many in future suggesting doing misadventures like kargil again.

As an outsider my main purpose to post this thread was not to humiliate china or Pakistan friendship as i have always used statements like china is too big to take sides but to pour in a suggestion for many immature fan boys here that in Geo politics no one is your permanent friend. Rather trolling on every single thread one should understand the real meaning of friendship by means of understanding how things work on ground.

On whose behalf these people are making such jingoistic noises about sino-pak ties against India. Why there is premature claims of any advantage as you said that there is no MOU or defence pact between china and Pakistan, none of your man in power ironically(for you) has never consulted china before engaging with India, further there is no guarantee the same people will do consult him next time cause Pakistani loyalty is still on fence either USA or China.

Interestingly if the trend will remain the same as Pakistan has done sever errors in judgement as per you then none of your procurement form china will be productive.

Take may words no one in india is against well equipped Pakistan we know well equip Pakistan will stop many war mongers in India to raise unwanted war. Yes there are many elements in India but fortunately till date we as a democracy are able to check those forces very well. Even by like of K. Sunder Ji he was in favour of Pakistan be a nuclear capable. Your nuclear efforts were triggered post 1971 and India was fully aware of such Pakistani efforts. We were able to impose war on war torn Pakistan again in that decade but we never did which was testimony to the fact that India always responded to Pakistani aggression not the opposite. Furthermore it was Rajiv Gandi's initiative who officially recognised Pakistani nuclear capabilities by signing treaty not to attack any nuclear installation of both nations (however it was shame to see people posting thread with thumbs up cause a unfortunate event happened in BARC). Any one with half a brain can understand that Peaceful nuclear reactor means fiscal material for a bomb.

Its too late for me here in Sydney almost 0600 am i will stop typing; but
it was always better to have peace with your larger neighbour then purchasing gun powder via Karakorum.

Tomorrow i will try to raise this issue again and series of events suggesting who acted as catalyst for arm race in south Asia. Also why china is a real friend of Pakistan and her special interest in Pakistan ready for war when we both are capable of making peace.
 
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Thanks for clearing up many things but as per my observation; for majority of Pakistanis you have raised many controversial allegations to your own people in power in those times as per you when many blunders were done leading to Pakistani defeat or disadvantages against India.
He does not represent any Pakistani...... all what he wrote and you understood is your mutual talk which you both parties tried to send out loudly.

Got to be some good reason for it !!!!
 
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@Ambidex:

Get over with your disputes with history. Such thoughts for vengeance gives rise to tension across nations; how do you expect the Indian border issues and conflicts to be solved this way?
 
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Something you must understand:

Even though we support Pakistan, however we do NOT view India as the 'enemy'. However, we are in support of maintaining the status quo (i.e. current border lines) --- so that I Bharat transgresses into Pakistan, we shall help push it back. The only solution to border issue is the DIPLOMATIC ONES!
 
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By QSAARK Secondly, China and Pakistan had not signed up any defense pact that would force China to send her troops to help Pakistan in case of a war.

Do we have that kind of agreement today?


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