1965 War Aircrafts head on Comparison

[ThaniOruvan]

well they still think pakistan won the war as pakistan was able to stop indian army having lunch at lahore gymkhana and that an indian brigadier ran after leaving his willies jeap in pakistan but they dont want to talk about tashkent declaration i wonder why

They won't. See it is pretty obvious. Can a government tell to its citizens that they were f*****d mercilessly in war by Indian forces ? That they were the ones who initiated the war and left empty-handed and severely wounded in the end.
They cannot answer to the public about the purpose of this war. So they do all these propaganda right from school text book. Now those brain-washed keyboard warriors swarm forums like these and try to upheave their nation's image. Reality ? No one gives a damn about Pakistani musings.....

 

[GURU DUTT]

If you find this thread un necessary then do not waste your time here.



Hi Guru G .......
How is life going?

im good saeen ji but you dint tell me as what is the use of such threads as to who was superior in 1965 air war when dispite everything ayub khan and ZAB had to end the war by siging humiliation surrender for ceasefire at tashkent by siging takshkent declartaion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashkent_Declaration

 

[ThaniOruvan]

If you find this thread un necessary then do not waste your time here.

Some sane people will understand the meaning of my post and stop wasting their time on this useless thread.

 

[Windjammer]

They won't. See it is pretty obvious. Can a government tell to its citizens that they were f*****d mercilessly in war by Indian forces ? That they were the ones who initiated the war and left empty-handed and severely wounded in the end.
They cannot answer to the public about the purpose of this war. So they do all these propaganda right from school text book. Now those brain-washed keyboard warriors swarm forums like these and try to upheave their nation's image. Reality ? No one gives a damn about Pakistani musings.....

Yup, and somehow 50 years after being f****d by Pakistan, the clowns in Delhi suddenly decided to save their citizen's sorry a$$.

QUICK PILL
The celebration

• There is a proposal to celebrate 50 years of the 1965 war with Pakistan, even though it wasn't a clear victory.

• The celebrations are planned for end August, early September in Rajpath. The scale is unprecedented.

• Replicas of tanks and other weaponry will be on display across Delhi. Major Indian battle victories will be celebrated.

The debate

• Pakistan attacked India in 1965 believing that India was vulnerable after the losses in the 1962 war with China.

• By most accounts, neither side won an outright victory.

• Indian veterans of the war cite successes such as the opening up of the Lahore and Sialkot sectors to claim that it was a victory.

The politics

• This could be Narendra Modi government's attempt to appropriate Lal Bahadur Shastri's legacy the way it appropriated Sardar Patel.

• Shastri's Jai Jawan Jai Kisan speech during the 1965 war will be broadcast at several places.

im good saeen ji but you dint tell me as what is the use of such threads as to who was superior in 1965 air war when dispite everything ayub khan and ZAB had to end the war by siging humiliation surrender for ceasefire at tashkent by siging takshkent declartaion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashkent_Declaration

So a UN backed ceasefire commonly known as the Tashkent declaration, translates into surrender in your bankrupt school of thoughts.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Yup, and somehow 50 years after being f****d by Pakistan, the clowns in Delhi suddenly decided to save their citizen's sorry a$$.

QUICK PILL
The celebration

• There is a proposal to celebrate 50 years of the 1965 war with Pakistan, even though it wasn't a clear victory.

• The celebrations are planned for end August, early September in Rajpath. The scale is unprecedented.

• Replicas of tanks and other weaponry will be on display across Delhi. Major Indian battle victories will be celebrated.

The debate

• Pakistan attacked India in 1965 believing that India was vulnerable after the losses in the 1962 war with China.

• By most accounts, neither side won an outright victory.

• Indian veterans of the war cite successes such as the opening up of the Lahore and Sialkot sectors to claim that it was a victory.

The politics

• This could be Narendra Modi government's attempt to appropriate Lal Bahadur Shastri's legacy the way it appropriated Sardar Patel.

• Shastri's Jai Jawan Jai Kisan speech during the 1965 war will be broadcast at several places.

So a UN backed ceasefire commonly known as the Tashkent declaration, translates into surrender in your bankrupt school of thoughts.

well jammer bhiyye since im an indian i cant use the language you are using against my nation but then chalta hai

thing is muhib e watan pakistani nation is feeling so helpless and frustated with ever growing indian power and repute that they cant do anything but try to carres there bruised antional ego and false bravado by draming about the joys of gazwa tull hind and keeping that flame alive by drumming about past when they know there presnt state of affairs in anything but positive and encouraging .... but then it works just fine for us if pakistani nation keeps thinking like this ... thanks

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Yup, and somehow 50 years after being f****d by Pakistan, the clowns in Delhi suddenly decided to save their citizen's sorry a$$.

QUICK PILL
The celebration

• There is a proposal to celebrate 50 years of the 1965 war with Pakistan, even though it wasn't a clear victory.

• The celebrations are planned for end August, early September in Rajpath. The scale is unprecedented.

• Replicas of tanks and other weaponry will be on display across Delhi. Major Indian battle victories will be celebrated.

The debate

• Pakistan attacked India in 1965 believing that India was vulnerable after the losses in the 1962 war with China.

• By most accounts, neither side won an outright victory.

• Indian veterans of the war cite successes such as the opening up of the Lahore and Sialkot sectors to claim that it was a victory.

The politics

• This could be Narendra Modi government's attempt to appropriate Lal Bahadur Shastri's legacy the way it appropriated Sardar Patel.

• Shastri's Jai Jawan Jai Kisan speech during the 1965 war will be broadcast at several places.

So a UN backed ceasefire commonly known as the Tashkent declaration, translates into surrender in your bankrupt school of thoughts.

@Windjammer

India won the 1965 war ; You wanted Kashmir but did not get anything

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer

India won the 1965 war ; You wanted Kashmir but did not get anything

Suck on this.

 

[muhammadali233]

@Windjammer

India won the 1965 war ; You wanted Kashmir but did not get anything

beta ap moun dhoe baghir he ajatay ho,jo phele moun dho ao,ghalat typing kar rahe ho.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Suck on this.

You started the war for Kashmir -- DID you get it

 

[Windjammer]

You started the war for Kashmir -- DID you get it

We have made sure it's a fish bone stuck in your lousy throat, you can only rule by oppression, almost two month under curfew, you can't even hoist the Indian flag openly while Pakistani flags fly all over the valley.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1041464985950671

 

[Tipu7]

You started the war for Kashmir -- DID you get it

Nope.
India started war by invading Pakistan by crossing INTERNATIONAL BORDER.

@Windjammer

India won the 1965 war ; You wanted Kashmir but did not get anything

Wrong again.
India wanted to cut Pakistan in half by capturing territory till Indus River where 90% road & railway network exist. Lahore & Sialkot were just "break stop" for bigger mission.
But too bad, the Indian military even failed to reach very first stop ......
Now here is 65 situation.l,
India was beaten in Kashmir.
India failed to capture Lahore
India failed to capture Sialkot
India was beaten in air combat
India was beaten in sea battle

And above all, an out numbered PA not only stooped over whelming Indian army advance but also delivered jaw breaking counter attack. India who was dreaming about capturing Pakistan major cities ended up in desperately defending her own Amratsir city.

Pakistan was not beaten in Kashmir, PA retreated her self as defense was too over stretched and it was useless to capture Kashmir at the price of provincial capital & other major cities. PA was not forced out by IA.

And rest a tip, when ever a bigger military attack on smaller nation, in thrust of their attack, they always capture more territory compared to her smaller enemy. As it is easy to beat border forces and move ahead compared to stopping invading enemy & push them back......

So a km captured by PA in 65 war carry more weight than 10km captured by IA.

And considering all this, if you still call it Indian victory then I wish for 1000 such victories of India against Pakistan

im good saeen ji but you dint tell me as what is the use of such threads as to who was superior in 1965 air war when dispite everything ayub khan and ZAB had to end the war by siging humiliation surrender for ceasefire at tashkent by siging takshkent declartaion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gibraltar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashkent_Declaration

Diplomacy is different thing,
Fighting war on ground is different thing.
I am surprised to see that this is scale for you to measure victory of war..... lol Guru G

 

[GURU DUTT]

Diplomacy is different thing,
Fighting war on ground is different thing.
I am surprised to see that this is scale for you to measure victory of war..... lol Guru G

well air or ground the only thing important at the end of the day is why was the war started in the first place and the person who started the war did he get what he started the war ... AK & ZAB started the war to get kashmir but ended it after saving lahore from IA ... what does that tells you

for now look at 1965 id does not matter who won the air war or who was more powerfull them what matters is ayub khan started the war by sending SSG commanmdoes disguised as kashmiries to start a rebellion in kashmir but when they were detected and caught by villagers and handed over to IA ayub khan launched opreation grand slam to cut the road link of india to J&K but failed to get the objectives and ended the war by siging tashkent declaration when IA was at the gates of lahore

 

[Tipu7]

War started by BRAVE Indian army by attacking Lahore from three fronts at NIGHT when they were humiliated in Kashmir and were desperate to force down Pakistan Army

In my humble opinion, it was cheap move.
Why BRAVE STRONG Indian army did not face PA in Kashmir head on???

well air or ground the only thing important at the end of the day is why was the war started in the first place and the person who started the war did he get what he started the war ... AK & ZAB started the war to get kashmir but ended it after saving lahore from IA ... what does that tells you

for now look at 1965 id does not matter who won the air war or who was more powerfull them what matters is ayub khan started the war by sending SSG commanmdoes disguised as kashmiries to start a rebellion in kashmir but when they were detected and caught by villagers and handed over to IA ayub khan launched opreation grand slam to cut the road link of india to J&K but failed to get the objectives and ended the war by siging tashkent declaration when IA was at the gates of lahore

 

[GURU DUTT]

War started by BRAVE Indian army by attacking Lahore from three fronts at NIGHT when they were humiliated in Kashmir and were desperate to force down Pakistan Army

In my humble opinion, it was cheap move.
Why BRAVE STRONG Indian army did not face PA in Kashmir head on???

well getting lahore was not the objective but stopping PAs much feared 1st armoured divission as we dint knew PA also had another armoured divission then so we attacked lahore to deviate attention from getting across river beas and taking over the vital bridge for the link to J&K but you wanted kashmir but ended up saving lahore without getting kashmir and loosing rann of katch , kargil , drass and batalick sectors to india

 

[Tipu7]

O ho.
Capturing Lahore was foremost objective.
dividing Pakistan in half in order to bargain entire Kashmir for sake of Lahore & Sialkot ....



This was plan in past, this is plan of now and same idea have birth to cold start doctrine...

well getting lahore was not the objective but stopping PAs much feared 1st armoured divission as we dint knew PA also had another armoured divission then so we attacked lahore to deviate attention from getting across river beas and taking over the vital bridge for the link to J&K but you wanted kashmir but ended up saving lahore without getting kashmir and loosing rann of katch , kargil , drass and batalick sectors to india