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19 killed in China coal mine blast

It doesn't happen in capitalism mate. Look at the safety record of Australia, America, Canada, South Africa heck even India. I am in the mining industry and have interacted with Chinese mining engineers. Apparently many of these privately operated coal mines supply coal to power stations. So if the Chinese authority were serious about fixing this problem they could within a matter of month. You just needer stricter OHS regulations and strict mine inspectors.

Many of the mines that operate in China, would have to be shut down, if the OHS and risk assessment standards of say Australia is applied to them. Unfortunately in this dash to development its the mine worker that ends up dead. I hope and believe the Chinese government will do something about it soon. :cheers:

I totally agree. It's true for early stages of capitalism. The working conditions in China's coal mines would be world class if laws were enforced. As of now they're 19th century Industrial Revolution standards. Another important reason to get off coal and go nuclear/solar as wind is a joke and biodiesel is a Goldman Sachs tool to boost profits on grain futures.
 
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Such a sad news, men gave their lives, for some rocks ??
What value to they give ??

RIP to the dead.
 
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I totally agree. It's true for early stages of capitalism. The working conditions in China's coal mines would be world class if laws were enforced. As of now they're 19th century Industrial Revolution standards. Another important reason to get off coal and go nuclear/solar as wind is a joke and biodiesel is a Goldman Sachs tool to boost profits on grain futures.

Couldn't agree more. Thing is coal is going to run out in another 100 years or so. So its better if we get ourself used to alternative energy sources available. However nuclear energy needs to be more secure and foolproof.

Having said that, this transition will be gradual and at least for the next 50-60 years coal fired power plants will still be the main source of energy in China. So stringent OHS procedures needs to be brought into the mining sector in China on a priority basis, and these private operators need to be regulated thoroughly.
 
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This is what happens in capitalism. Where are the far right advocates of the free market when they result in deaths, while state owned mines have far better safety records?

It is not necessarily due to capitalism or free market.

Human greed or apathy is not dependent on any system.

Most of West has private coal mines and they have pretty good safety records.
 
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It doesn't happen in capitalism mate. Look at the safety record of Australia, America, Canada, South Africa heck even India. I am in the mining industry and have interacted with Chinese mining engineers. Apparently many of these privately operated coal mines supply coal to power stations. So if the Chinese authority were serious about fixing this problem they could within a matter of month. You just needer stricter OHS regulations and strict mine inspectors.

Many of the mines that operate in China, would have to be shut down, if the OHS and risk assessment standards of say Australia is applied to them. Unfortunately in this dash to development its the mine worker that ends up dead. I hope and believe the Chinese government will do something about it soon. :cheers:

:coffee: You found the place where the most dark. That is the most frustrating problems.
Chinese officials promoted the decision by their achievements. So they have to dare to do anything for economic development.

The private coal mine can stimulate economic development. So local governments do not want to strict management it.
And high wages of coal miners, the private coal mine does not worry about the lack of workers.
 
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Coal mining accidents seems to have always been an achilles heel for China. Some of those private mine owners are inhuman. Apparently CCP is considering a 1 million RMB fine for every accidental deaths. (kind of low if you ask me, but definitely means alot if paid to relatives of the deceased, who are generally very poor.)
 
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This is what happens in capitalism. Where are the far right advocates of the free market when they result in deaths, while state owned mines have far better safety records?

if we follow that flawed logic- then why is the record far far far far far far far far better in the US capitalistic system? its the people to be blamed, it culturally a low disregard that exists for human life. Before you go off in a tangent , its is same in Pak and india too
 
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if we follow that flawed logic- then why is the record far far far far far far far far better in the US capitalistic system? its the people to be blamed, it culturally a low disregard that exists for human life. Before you go off in a tangent , its is same in Pak and india too

It is not cultural. Britain during Industrial Revolution had the same thing. All countries go through this stage where capitalism wins over government.
 
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this stuff happens when greed is more important then safety

wether you are capitilist or not, if you put proft before human life, this stuff will occur
 
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China coal mine deaths fall 'but still remain high'


By Wang Huazhong
BEIJING - Colliery fatalities have dropped for the fifth consecutive year, though the death toll remains high in the world's largest coal producer, according to a leading work safety official.

Spokesman and chief engineer for the State Administration of Work Safety, Huang Yi, said in a news conference by the State Council's information office on Friday that 2,433 people died in coal mine accidents in China last year, 198 fewer than in 2009.The figure represents an average daily death toll of more than six people.

However, the declining death toll, a 7.5 per cent drop, highlights improving underground conditions amid an upgrade in safety and management, he said.

The number of coal mine accidents in 2010 also declined 13.2 per cent year-on-year, the spokesman said.

According to earlier Xinhua reports, citing safety and mine officials, 4,746 people died in mine accidents in 2006; 3,786 in 2007; 3,214 in 2008 and 2,631 in 2009.


Huang said his administration closed 21,200 illegal coal mines and slashed the number of small-scale mining operations from 18,145 to 9,042 over the past five years.

The administration also oversaw a major reduction of gas levels in the mines, he said.

Moreover, Huang added, the administration will issue standards for the use of facilities in shelters, which must be built in all mines over the next three years.



"The fatality rate per million tons of coal produced decreased 73 per cent in the past five years and it will further fall 28 per cent over the next five years," Huang said.

Huang told China Daily the administration set the compulsory target because coal mine safety remains "the priority of priorities".

He added China can meet safety targets and "the achievement will lay a critical foundation for China to turn around its work-safety status by 2020, when safety levels will equal that of moderately developed countries".

However, Huang said challenges remain. The safety culture has not taken root and many mines ignore or pay little attention to it, he said.

China's total coal production has risen from 2.1 billion tons in 2005 to 3.2 billion tons in 2010, when it reached 45 per cent of the world's total output, Director of the National Development and Reform Commission Zhang Ping said in January.

High fatality rates have plagued the industry.

Deaths per million tons of coal extracted are 30 to 50 times that of developed countries, Fang Junshi, head of the National Energy Administration's coal department said in September 2009.


Some critics even suspect the credibility of the fatality statistics, alleging lax regulation, corruption and officials' liability for accidents often result in underreporting of deaths.

After a mine explosion in Mianchi county, Henan province, in December 2010, police investigations found four bodies were deliberately hidden in the mine and seven suspects colluded to underreport nine other bodies.
The administration also vowed that one of its key tasks in 2011 is to tighten investigation procedures and severely punish those who cover up accidents, lie or delay their reports.

A total of 79,552 people died in 363,383 accidents in the country last year.

The number of fatalities was 4.4 per cent down on 2009 figures and the accident rate was 4.2 per cent lower, the administration reported.


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China coal mine deaths fall 'but still remain high'
 
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It is not cultural. Britain during Industrial Revolution had the same thing. All countries go through this stage where capitalism wins over government.

are you kidding me ! your citing me an example as comparison of decades and decades ago? what's next ... tell me how it was during the Neanderthal era and compare the situation to today?... wtf has industrial revolution to do with the fact that safety measures, equipment and planning exist today to avoid this mishaps -- its just that the chinese think people are expendable and that has them disregard safety nets. You crack me up! :D
 
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