17 Indian Army soldiers killed in Uri attack

[scorpionx]

Modi advocated for Human rights in Balochistan and not independence. Equivalence was made on human rights issues.

And what made Modi suddenly concerned of human rights issue in Baluchistan or kashmir? Its the popular unrest in the valley, isn't?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Please do away with the selective reading. I said "sponsored" protesters. If you have any trouble with the word sponsored then you can refer to the dictionary.

"Sponsored"... Funny how Pakistan is "sponsoring" thousands of people to protest Indian attrocities and occupation right in the centre of occupied Kashmir!

While C's like yourself are killing unarmed people !

Here is a documentary from your own media ;

Time to declare this "sponsored" by ISI too!


How how about these;

http://tune.pk/video/5209817/kashmir-mass-rape-victims-of-indian-soldiers

 

[Spectre]

The typical lying chutiya.

Thanks for displaying the level of discourse you are comfortable with. Unfortunately I am not.

Good Bye

 

[T90TankGuy]

Modi's attempt to bring up Baluchistan and Pakistani held Kashmir was a melancholic blunder. Surely he was critically under pressure with the civilian unrest in the valley and tried to equal the game, without realizing the psychological advantage Pakistan enjoys in the Indian side and India do not in the Pakistani side. This attack is a roundabout response from Pakistan that Baluchistan or West Kashmir is not same as Indian Kashmir.

Like i said in another post on another thread , if you wished to intervene you should have done it quietly , not announce it from the ramparts of the red fort.
This govt makes statements for public consumption , jingoistic and rhetorical but achieves little on the ground as they have not a police in place to deal with Pakistan . They seem ignorant of the issue. or just seem to be playing politics.
Their biggest failure till date IMHO is not to be able to bring normalcy back to the valley . something which has not happened since the dark days of 94-95.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

This is yet another RAW sponsored act to divert attention from UN's assembly's proceedings on Indian occupied Kashmir.Check the history, every time bilateral or international efforts has been taken to restore peace between two countries, India's intelligence agencies stage such incidences.

 

[Signalian]

Point 1. Militants approached in a circuitous route.
Point 2. Int warnings non-sepcific were there
Point 3. You know the terrain, one can pass through howsoever many troops you place. The location is in proximity to LOC.
Point 4. There were no walls/partial walls. Contact took place at an entrance point. Stand off kills achieved. Very rapid access to barracks. Inside job (a local kashmiri employed there) is suspected and likely.
Point 5. Irrelevant. More pertinent is that NS addresses UNGA in 3 days time, more of a chance to raise the spectre? If Indians start the usual chest thumping they play right into the hands of NS at UNGA! Smart move from Pak POV, but a real dumb move otherwise.

Mate, its your own homeland and India have 4.5 or so Lakhs troops deployed in the area. Which include Army, paramilitary, Police, Intelligence officials and government officials. If 4.5+ lakh troops cannot secure a a certain area inside homeland then why deploy and pay them.

1. If militants took a circuitous route, its a security lapse. This is no excuse. India boasts satellite imagery and UAV's.
2. Intel warnings are mostly non-specific but they are there to alert the forces deployed in area. Indian forces were not alert as can be seen.
3. I know the terrain, but this means that surveillance equipment is not sufficient, troops numbers are not sufficient, what about mining and walls on LOC. I heard LCH is to be/is deployed in kashmir and members say it has IR and NV and what not.
4. Like i analyzed already, the Brigade commander was not aware of security requirements for his troops as well as assets under his command, Court Martial !
5. So no Civilian Government official is responsible? Police reports to Civilian Government and usually Ministers of the area.

I actually think all your above points are counter-productive.

Mate, unfortunately, then expect more attacks.

And lastly, blaming Pakistan is the most stupidest thing we can do.

I have been saying this already but we know its bound to happen.

 

[Kompromat]

Retribution at its purest.

 

[T90TankGuy]

@mods please change tittle of thread. Attack on occupying army cannot be classifed as terror attack

Try saying that when the Taliban attacks your army .

 

[Raul_AD]

Modi's attempt to bring up Baluchistan and Pakistani held Kashmir was a melancholic blunder. Surely he was critically under pressure with the civilian unrest in the valley and tried to equal the game, without realizing the psychological advantage Pakistan enjoys in the Indian side and India do not in the Pakistani side. This attack is a roundabout response from Pakistan that situation in Baluchistan or West Kashmir is not same as Indian Kashmir.

It is not. What is lacking is Iron Fist. First to crush insurgency mercilessly in kashmir second logistical support for P0K and Baluchistan. You cannot create logistics in matter of days.

His fault is that he talked before creating the infrastructure which goes into that talk.

 

[Spectre]

And what made Modi suddenly concerned of human rights issue in Baluchistan or kashmir? Its the popular unrest in the valley, isn't?

Actually no. He has been quite transparent and so has been the MEA - the message is directed to Pakistan that before leveling allegations on India they should get their own house in order.

Kashmir unrest is superfluous to Baluchistan, it is the Pakistani response which warranted the concern.

 

[Clutch]

India has to recognize that the kashmiri people have legitimate greiviences.

Personally i do not endorse violent struggles. Kashmiris would be more better off embracing a struggle for freedom based on non-violence through disobedience. Ironically they should take up Gandhi's mantra. If they do the kashmiris would shame India on a global scale.

The kashmiris will have to endure the slaughter of kashmiri civilians for some time by the Indian army. To achieve freedom based on a nonviolent freedom.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

I'm enjoying the Bhartis flared up on this thread.Emotions are on a high.

While the fanboys have blood in their eyes,the policy makers and implementers already know that it's just their game coming back to them.

I expect Indian stakeholders to let out some 'harsh' tone to satisfy the public outcry.Nothing more.

All these cries of making Pakistan pay in blood currency are emotional rants at best.Pakistan as nation has become war harderned and learn to thrive amongst hostilities.
We aint afraid of blood.We expect an attack on innocent civilians from your proxies.We'll face it and rise to the occasion as we always do.Such coward attacks never shake our morale as a nation.

As for military action on 'terrorist outfits' in Azad Kashmir,we all know it's a ridiculous idea.Pakistan has raised the costs for India too damn high for any such misadventure.

As for international pressure on Pakistan,India has already done it's best to 'isolate' and 'name and shame' Pakistan.Both havent worked as desired.Infact India is the villain for Kashmir in world news nowadays.

As for Balochistan card,that too has failed miserably gathering no support from anywhere at all.

So I see no option for India other than sitting back and revisiting it's cruel policies w.r.t Kashmir.

Untill that happens,I see more loss,shame and frustration for India.

 

[VivasvatManu]

This is an ACT OF WAR by pakistan. This is the SECOND attack on the Defence establishment and Shame on Modi if he takes it lying down.

If Modi cannot even respond to this aggression by attacking pakistani and taking down two of their defence institutions then what good is our Entire Defence apparatus.

Modi comes across as a world class fool who is getting his @ss kicked by pakistan on a regular basis. If he does not do something serious about this then I am going to campaign against him in the next election.

Enough is enough.

It;s about time to call pakistans Nuclear Bluff.

 

[T-Rex]

This is yet another RAW sponsored act to divert attention from UN's assembly's proceedings on Indian occupied Kashmir.Check the history, every time bilateral or international efforts has been taken to restore peace between two countries, India's intelligence agencies stage such incidences.

It means those indian troops are not safe from their own intelligence agency. 17 indian soldiers have been killed, doesn't look like a false flag operation but yes, the timing is inappropriate but then again, Muslim mujaheddin all over the world are infamous for being dim witted.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Modi's attempt to bring up Baluchistan and Pakistani held Kashmir was a melancholic blunder. Surely he was critically under pressure with the civilian unrest in the valley and tried to equal the game, without realizing the psychological advantage Pakistan enjoys in the Indian side and India do not in the Pakistani side. This attack is a roundabout response from Pakistan that situation in Baluchistan or West Kashmir is not same as Indian Kashmir.

Pray , what kind of psychological edge does Pakistan enjoy in Kashmir over us that we will not if we build up adequate capacities in Balochistan ? The game in Balochistan has just begun. The one is Kashmir is decades old .This attack in Kashmir is ill timed from the separatists PoV especislly with the UNGA about to commence where the Indian side will milk it for all its worth while making the case of Pakistan inspired terrorists ruling the roost in J & K.

As far as the protests in South Kashmir go , it's business as usual.One hopes the army & other para militaries out there don't let this incident to get carried away .That would be playing in the hands of those separatist elements.