14 Indian soldiers killed, 1 captured in clashes with Pakistan Army

[Post Colonnial]

As expected, you have no clue of what you're talking about.

I said sure. That means you ain't worth arguing with. may be when you attain some maturity.

 

[Areesh]

Big gaping holes Pakistan's official story.

1 . If there were no surgical strikes, and just the usual cross border firing incident, why such heavy handed response from Pakistan today ? In which supposedly 14 Indian soldiers have been killed.

2. If there were no surgical strike, how did Pakistan manage to capture one Indian soldier ?

Easy questions. Come up with something tough yaar.

Let me answer them:

1 . If there were no surgical strikes, and just the usual cross border firing incident, why such heavy handed response from Pakistan today ? In which supposedly 14 Indian soldiers have been killed.

It was in response to Indian ceasefire violations that martyred 2 soldiers of Pakistan.
What's so difficult to understand in it.

2. If there were no surgical strike, how did Pakistan manage to capture one Indian soldier ?

Good question. But you missed one thing here.

PAk has denied that they captured anyone. There are also stories that he has deserted Indian military.

So he might have deserted his forces and came here. In any case wait for official Pakistani position about that soldier before asking any question.

 

[koolio]

The indian version makes sense because it suits typical Indian bollywood style drama.

 

[MadDog]

Big gaping holes Pakistan's official story.

1 . If there were no surgical strikes, and just the usual cross border firing incident, why such heavy handed response from Pakistan today ? In which supposedly 14 Indian soldiers have been killed.

2. If there were no surgical strike, how did Pakistan manage to capture one Indian soldier ?

Was he was left behind, when Indian soldiers crossed into Pakistan yesterday? Then ispo -facto there were surgical strikes in to Pakistan.

Was he captured in a cross border raid by Pakistan ? If so why? Since according to Pakistan, India never crossed into Pakistan?

Where as official Indian version makes much more sense.

Yesterday surgical strikes were conducted up to 2 km across LOC in which 38 militants and 2 Pakistani soldiers were killed.

Today there has been heavy cross border firing from Pakistan, however no Indian soldier has died in it yet.

One Indian soldier did cross LOC inadvertently, and was captured.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/army...tly-crossed-loc-1468244?pfrom=home-topstories

Where are the bodies and funerals of those killed in so called surgical strikes, why didn't the people of the area hear anything, why didn't the media report anything. How on earth is it possible that so called paracommandoes stayed for 4 hours fighting so called terrorists in camps as if these camps are placed like mc donalds and kfc at the border and no villager , soldier every heard any noise of either the helecopters or the firefight which went for hours and hours since this area is heavily militarized with AA guns in bunkers. Indian govt has failed to provide any evidence of this hoax, even Indians on social media and their opposition politicians and questioning this claim's authenticity, this is going to be a huge embarrasment for Modi led govt. Pakistan today provided evidence of its overwhelming response to Indian cross border incursion attempt, 8 bodies are still lying in Tattapani area with Indians refusing to pick them up.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1820544551492658

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154216146097663

 

[Photon]

Exactly, like Jama Masjid and Samjhauta. If we couldn't trust Indians and their media then how can it be true that India is not lying now.

Leave Indian and Pakistani media stories aside, they have been known to concoct bs.

I am talking about official response from both the army's.

Even from a neutral perspective Indian army's official lines, makes much more sense.
Where as shown above, Pakistan army's story has big gaping holes in it.

Plus Indian army does not have history lying , whereas Pakistan army has a long history of cover up, most glaring one was, Kargil , where it took one decade for Pakistan army to admit, that it's soldier fought in Kargil.

 

[Zee-shaun]

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Indian proof of surgical strikes

 

[iPhone]

https://defence.pk/threads/debunking-indian-claims-of-“surgical-strike”-in-pakistan.452365/

Thanks you, sir. That is very informative thread but focuses on the Indian narrative and then debunks it. What I meant was a fact check from our side. Did we capture or held any Indian soldier? Or some kind of basic timeline from last night of our side.

 

[Photon]

Where are the bodies and funerals of those killed in so called surgical strikes, why didn't the people of the area hear anything, why didn't the media report anything. How on earth is it possible that so called paracommandoes stayed for 4 hours fighting so called terrorists in camps as if these camps are placed like mc donalds and kfc at the border and no villager , soldier every heard any noise of either the helecopters or the firefight which went for hours and hours since this area is heavily militarized with AA guns in bunkers. Indian govt has failed to provide any evidence of this hoax, even Indians on social media and their opposition politicians and questioning this claim's authenticity, this is going to be a huge embarrasment for Modi led govt. Pakistan today provided evidence of its overwhelming response to Indian cross border incursion attempt, 8 bodies are still lying in Tattapani area with Indians refusing to pick them up.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1820544551492658

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154216146097663

Because, It is called cover up.

Tell me this, why did't Pakistani people hear about, Pakistani soldiers dying in Kargil? What happened to their bodies.
Why were Pakistani people claiming for decade, that only militants were involved in Kargil.

Indian army does not have history of concocting lies/cover ups , definitely not of such magnitude.

I can't say, what kind of sources you have in the areas where strikes were conducted. But if you were to visit border villages, you will definitely find evidence of these strikes.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Even from a neutral perspective Indian army's official lines, makes much more sense.

Really?

Sure a company sized force manages to sneak past the LOC, one of the most heavily mined and defended border with constant PA Patrols. Sneaks past the mines and patrols, reaches the action point, engages the enemy for 3 hours without raising any flags, than trekks back across the border and reaches safely back to India. Indeed, this story makes so much more sense, i could not agree more. Who was the Officer leading the charge? Sunny Deol

Plus Indian army does not have history lying , whereas Pakistan army has a long history of cover up, most glaring one was, Kargil , where it took one decade for Pakistan army to admit, that it's soldier fought in Kargil.

Really? Have you forgotten the Ketchup Story?

 

[hussain0216]

Because, It is called cover up.

Tell me this, why did't Pakistani people hear about, Pakistani soldiers dying in Kargil? What happened to their bodies.
Why were Pakistani people claiming for decade, that only militants were involved in Kargil.

Indian army does not have history of concocting lies/cover ups , definitely not of such magnitude.

I can't say, what kind of sources you have in the areas where strikes were conducted. But if you were to visit border villages, you will definitely find evidence of these strikes.

You obviously dont know indians they are the biggest bull shit artists in the world

They have delusions of grandeur and have conducted nonsense of surgical strikes across the most militarised border in the world and fighting for 4 hours

This alone should clarify anything you need to know about Indian army

 

[Photon]

Easy questions. Come up with something tough yaar.

Let me answer them:



It was in response to Indian ceasefire violations that martyred 2 soldiers of Pakistan.
What's so difficult to understand in it.



Good question. But you missed one thing here.

PAk has denied that they captured anyone. There are also stories that he has deserted Indian military.

So he might have deserted his forces and came here. In any case wait for official Pakistani position about that soldier before asking any question.

It is difficult to understand because of the magnitude of casualties on Indian side that Pakistan is claiming.

If only normal cross border shelling took place yesterday as Pakistan claims, why such heavy firing from Pakistan today, in which 14 India soldiers died ?

That is bs you are concocting of your own, India army has accepted, one Indian soldier has been captured (but zero casualties on India side), when he crossed LOC by mistake. As has happened many a times both with Indian and Pakistani soldiers.

 

[hussain0216]

It is difficult to understand because of the magnitude of casualties on Indian side that Pakistan is claiming.

If only normal cross border shelling took place yesterday as Pakistan claims, why such heavy firing from Pakistan today, in which 14 India soldiers died ?

That is bs you are concocting of your own, India army has accepted, one Indian soldier has been captured (but zero casualties on India side), when he crossed LOC by mistake. As has happened many a times both with Indian and Pakistani soldiers.

There is heavy firing from Pak side because you killed 2 soldiers via artillery strike, now Pak army requires revenge

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Congratulations to India for the world's first surgical strikes conducted without crossing the border, and after informing the enemy, and without counting the bodies, and without knowing what they destroyed and how, and without a single bullet fired on them. #Bravo Us dumb citizens of this world would like to know just HOW India achieved this awesome feat?

 

[MadDog]

Because, It is called cover up.

Tell me this, why did't Pakistani people hear about, Pakistani soldiers dying in Kargil? What happened to their bodies.
Why were Pakistani people claiming for decade, that only militants were involved in Kargil.

Indian army does not have history of concocting lies/cover ups , definitely not of such magnitude.

I can't say, what kind of sources you have in the areas where strikes were conducted. But if you were to visit border villages, you will definitely find evidence of these strikes.

Indian army does have a tremendous history of faking encouters and battles during major wars to get medals, please don't lie. In Kargil, there was shortage of coffins in India and had to be imported which resulted in a coffin scam, such was your casualty rate. My simple question is when choppers come in a heavy militarized area,
1) it is impossible because of the amount of forces deployed in the area armed with AA guns and heavy equipment, with soldiers eye ball to eye ball at LOC that Indians cross in their unarmed Mi 17's and stay for 4 hours and return unhurt.
2) Why didn't the villagers hear of any gunfight which supposedly according to Indian media went on for hours
3) Where are the funerals of those so called terrorists, 100 plus is a big figure, Pakistani media is vibrant with over a 100 channels, they found out the house of Ajmal Kasab, funerals are a common sight after militants die even in Indian occupied Kashmir, how come they didn't hear anything and found no evidence of any destruction or firefight or funerals or bodies, where are the pictures , any evidence.
4) Why no evidence was provided by Indian military to journalists and Indian politicians when they were briefed, why Indian people themselves are making fun of this hoax on the social media

All these questions prove it is a hoax for domestic consumption, Indian is yet to satisfied. Indians themselves are making fun of this hoax on social media. It going to have a heavy toll on Modi's standing domestically because of the public embarrassment it will result in.

 

[Photon]

Really?

Sure a company sized force manages to sneak past the LOC, one of the most heavily mined and defended border with constant PA Patrols. Sneaks past the mines and patrols, reaches the action point, engages the enemy for 3 hours without raising any flags, than trekks back across the border and reaches safely back to India. Indeed, this story makes so much more sense, i could not agree more. Who was the Officer leading the charge? Sunny Deol



Really? Have you forgotten the Ketchup Story?

Yes it is more plausible, as it has happened in past .

As per reports submitted by Pakistan to UNMOGIP, Indian soldiers crossed the LOC many times and killed dozens of "villagers"

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ars-of-bloodletting-at-loc/article4358199.ece


I think you fail to make a distinction between Individual soldier, making up a story for personal gain. And 1.3 million man force, concocting such a big lie to the entire world, when the opposite, would be such easy to prove..unlike Pakistan army, Indian army has no history of it.