135 Million a Unit,Dassault n Lockheed having great laugh on Indias 5th gen Fighter program with Rus

[Han Patriot]

The Kiev class could never be considered true aircraft carriers. From the 1960s onwards, the rapidly expanding Soviet Navy began to see its lack of such a vessel to be a handicap, especially to a navy looking to spread its influence around the world.

Several abortive projects were started, including the 1973 design for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier of 85 000 tons which would be capable of accommodating 60 to 70 aircraft. In the early 1980s, two less ambitious projects began to make serious progress, the Project 1143.5 which was to become the Kuznetsov and the 75 000-ton Project 1143.7 which, had it been built, would have been the Ulyanovsk. This nuclear-powered ship with twin catapults was proposed to carry the upgraded Su-27KM and Yak-44 AEW/ASW fixed-wing aircraft within its complement of 60-70 aircraft.

Initially, Western analysts anticipated that the ships would have a Combined Nuclear And Steam (CONAS) propulsion plant similar to the Kirov battle cruiser and the SSV-33 command ship. However the class was in fact conventionally propelled with oil-fired boilers.

Although superficially similar to American carriers, the 60 000-ton Soviet aircraft carrier was always intended to be subordinate to missile submarines operating in their bastions in the Arctic. This aircraft carrier is capable of engaging surface, subsurface and airborne targets. The lack of catapults precludes launching aircraft with heavy strike loads, and the air superiority orientation of the air wing is apparent. Its main role is to protect ballistic missile submarines from hostile ASW aircraft.

The first unit was originally named Riga. The name was changed to Leonid Brezhnev and then to Tbilisi before settling in October 1990 on Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov, normally being shortened to Admiral Kuznetsov.

The flight deck area is 14 700 m² and aircraft take-off is assisted by a bow ski-jump angled at 12 degrees in lieu of steam catapults. The flight deck is equipped with arrester wires. Two starboard lifts carry the aircraft from the hangar to the flight deck. The ship was originally designed to operate Su-27K, MiG-29K, Yak-41 (and later the heavier and more capable Yak-43) supersonic STOVL fighters, but the only fixed wing aircraft regularly taken to sea have been the Su-33, MiG-29K and Su-25UTH, the latter being used as an unarmed trainer. The Admiral Kuznetsov do not carries any airborne early warning aircraft. Instead it uses Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters. It also lacks dedicated electronic warfare and defense suppression aircraft, that are used on the US carriers.

Service of the Admiral Kuznetsov in the Russian Navy is plagued with various accidents and plane crashes. There are problems with the ship's propulsion system. Russia definitely struggles maintaining its only aircraft carrier and keeping it operational. There are no immediate plans in Russia to construct successor for this ship.

As of 2017 it is planned that during the next couple of years the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will be repaired, refurbished and upgraded.

Construction of a sister ship (Project 1143.6, initially named Riga and later Varyag, the second of the class, started in December 1985 at Nikolayev, and the ship was launched in November 1988. Late in 1991 the Russian Defense Ministry stopped financing the carrier, and handed the hulk over to Ukraine. In 1998, the sale of the Varyag was announced to a Macau-based entertainment company. The unfinished hull was to be towed to the Far East where it would be converted into an entertainment complex and casino. Though this company appeared to be a front for the Chinese Navy. In China Varyag was restored and refitted. This aircraft carrier entered service with the Chinese navy in 2012 as the Liaoning. It was one of the most ambitious Chinese naval programmes. Currently Lianoning represents a significant shift in the balance of naval power in the area.
So Basically its not a carrier and was cheated by Chinese to be used as an cruise ship by Macau-based entertainment company. But.....

I do not comprehend what you are saying...

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I think India shouldn't be a reactive nation, instead plan things at her own pace. The reason India went for Kiev was because China went for Varyag. If India had been patient, just build two indigenous carrier, China is not gonna invade India, there is no problem having no carrier for a few years.

No man you are wrong. Chinese wanted a carrier of 65k tonnage and we wanted a 40k tonnage. the negotiations for Gorshkov started when Chinese bought the Varyag for 20 million dollars. And We were under sanctions for Nuclear weapons those days. We have a pace of acquisition that would put shame to to the pace of a snail and our bureaucrats are sloths (My uncle was one and I know how they work). So you can even buy a Enterprise class spaceship and no one is going to bother here. Nothing is reactionary in India unless they end up with a full out war. And Chinese attacking India or India attacking China is is dream come true for America. If there is going to be a war between India and China then it will happen in the border with Pakistan.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

I do not comprehend what you are saying...

YOU Replied that Indian Aircraft carrier was Having issue's relating to its opertional capability but Even your own so called furnished carrier has the history of AvailabilitySir

 

[Han Patriot]

YOU Replied that Indian Aircraft carrier was Having issue's relating to its opertional capability but Even your own so called furnished carrier has the history of AvailabilitySir

There was a leaking pipe during commissioning, they fixed it. I was just showing you both Russian origin engines had issues, but the difference was we didn't pay billions to the Russians. We refurbished it ourselves, provided employment and trained our people. There in lies the difference between China and India.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

There was a leaking pipe during commissioning, they fixed it. I was just showing you both Russian origin engines had issues, but the difference was we didn't pay billions to the Russians. We refurbished it ourselves, provided employment and trained our people. There in lies the difference between China and India.

I think we can get back to the topic of PAKFA/FGFA. The expertise of Russia far outweighs most of the countries in aviation design and development. No one can deny it. And I think that $135 million a piece is a bang for the buck. And if you go and ask a general for a choice if he would fly a Russian made aircraft or Chinese made aircraft to war then you will know what is the truth.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

There was a leaking pipe during commissioning, they fixed it. I was just showing you both Russian origin engines had issues, but the difference was we didn't pay billions to the Russians. We refurbished it ourselves, provided employment and trained our people. There in lies the difference between China and India.

In 1998, the Rusting hulk was sold at auction for $20 million to Agencia Turistica E Diversoes Chong Lot Limitada, a company from Macau. Chong Lot proposed to tow Varyag to Macau, where the ship would be converted into a $200 million floating hotel and casino.Which was 68% complete .
And Sir Plz get the knowledge about Vikramaditya and causes of cost over run.

 

[Han Patriot]

In 1998, the Rusting hulk was sold at auction for $20 million to Agencia Turistica E Diversoes Chong Lot Limitada, a company from Macau. Chong Lot proposed to tow Varyag to Macau, where the ship would be converted into a $200 million floating hotel and casino.Which was 68% complete .
And Sir Plz get the knowledge about Vikramaditya and causes of cost over run.

You have no idea don't you?

I think we can get back to the topic of PAKFA/FGFA. The expertise of Russia far outweighs most of the countries in aviation design and development. No one can deny it. And I think that $135 million a piece is a bang for the buck. And if you go and ask a general for a choice if he would fly a Russian made aircraft or Chinese made aircraft to war then you will know what is the truth.

Russian planes are not exactly reliable. Chinese planes used to have some problems but now I think they are fine.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

You have no idea don't you?

Depends on your level of knowledge as u might be from out of the world with extra terrestrial knowledge

Russian planes are not exactly reliable. Chinese planes used to have some problems but now I think they are fine.

 

[That Guy]

India will go for FGFA derived from PAKFA, only when Pakistan has 3 squadrons of J31.......please Pakistan get some 5 gen jets, a bharti is requesting
as a consequence a chain reaction would start where Indian govt will sanction 200+ FGFA's and won't even make a sound.....

Pakistan is waiting for India to take the step first. Pakistan's policy has been reactionary, and it will continue to be so, until Pakistan's economy reaches upper middle income (much like India and China).

 

[帅的一匹]

Has anyone ever seen the T50 weapon bay open?

 

[LookSee]

So advanced, it can land itself against pilot's commands anywhere.

Extremely stupid post expected much better no matter what country/background you come from. I suppose from your logic the F-22 isnt "so advanced" either since it has crashed quite a few times too.

 

[帅的一匹]

I mean those two tiny sleek weapon bay alike box under the belly.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

You have no idea don't you?


Russian planes are not exactly reliable. Chinese planes used to have some problems but now I think they are fine.

That is why I asked you to go and ask one of those experienced pilots out there in your airforce about it. You will not believe me anyways because of my nationality.

 

[帅的一匹]

No man you are wrong. Chinese wanted a carrier of 65k tonnage and we wanted a 40k tonnage. the negotiations for Gorshkov started when Chinese bought the Varyag for 20 million dollars. And We were under sanctions for Nuclear weapons those days. We have a pace of acquisition that would put shame to to the pace of a snail and our bureaucrats are sloths (My uncle was one and I know how they work). So you can even buy a Enterprise class spaceship and no one is going to bother here. Nothing is reactionary in India unless they end up with a full out war. And Chinese attacking India or India attacking China is is dream come true for America. If there is going to be a war between India and China then it will happen in the border with Pakistan.

If China operate more than 6 units of 80000 tons carrier in year 2030, you will follow?

That is why I asked you to go and ask one of those experienced pilots out there in your airforce about it. You will not believe me anyways because of my nationality.

It's a waste of time to tell Indians the truth. You have your "truth" before you given birth. That's inferior complexity.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

If China operate more than 6 units of 80000 tons carrier in year 2030, you will follow?


It's a waste of time to tell Indians the truth. You have your "truth" before you given birth. That's inferior complexity.

We dont need 6 80 000 ton carriers in our arsenal right now...3 is more than enough. We are not fighting the USN or even dreaming to do it in our back yard. I still think even 6 is less for you.

Well i want to see which country people know the 'truth' the one which has access to all the search engines in the world or the country which strictly allows only home grown search engines which it can manipulate to its whimsical needs?