135 Million a Unit,Dassault n Lockheed having great laugh on Indias 5th gen Fighter program with Rus

[BetterPakistan]

Haan yaar woh toh hai....par kyaa kare, baniye ka dimaag aur miyaan bhai ki daring dono hai India ke paas, its like bagal wale gar mein gajar ka halwa ban raha hai, tum 2 katori banoge, hum puri kadai banayge....cheers sooner or later, we to will have 2 set of 5 gen fighters....

Apni muhabbat hi itni hai keh har cheez brabar chahiyeh

 

[punit]

IDRW .. bunch of jokers not even worthy of being laughed at.

 

[帅的一匹]

Because the media wants you to think that the Russians robbed you because of vested interests of western powers. No one will give you an aircraft carrier for 2.34 billion dollars with the air component and integrated weapons.

The Su 30 MKI will be the most advanced heavy fighter for the foreseeable future. The Mig 29k is ruling the seas of the Indian ocean.

You know a F 22 raptor costed more than $200 million per piece without the weapons? I think at 135 million the PAK-FA/FGFA is a bang for the buck.

How can you compare FGFA with F22?

 

[Awan68]

Problem is Russia might deliver the best plane ever but they will not share the technology. I think this Indian Russian project is much better than any other project.focus of Pakistan is on jf-17.we will integrate aesa radar in block 3.although technology is Chinese made but we are learning. Learning is necessary for both India and pakistan. Look at Europe eurofighter typhoon Rafale gripen,Americans f-22 and f-35,Russia with pakfa,China with j-20 and j-31. Even Iran is designing a good plane.India have lots of money! Why there is no complex of advanced weaponry? Advanced fighters? See Pakistan don't have the money.we only have limited money and i think we can't afford 5th gen fighter jet.we can buy it may be in 2019.

Hey, dont comment if u dont have relevant knowledge about stuff...

 

[Han Patriot]

Because the media wants you to think that the Russians robbed you because of vested interests of western powers. No one will give you an aircraft carrier for 2.34 billion dollars with the air component and integrated weapons.

The Su 30 MKI will be the most advanced heavy fighter for the foreseeable future. The Mig 29k is ruling the seas of the Indian ocean.

You know a F 22 raptor costed more than $200 million per piece without the weapons? I think at 135 million the PAK-FA/FGFA is a bang for the buck.

China bought a half completed vessel with design clearly more superior for 20 mil and finished it on her own.

They bought a carrier which was supposed to be a casino..and that is what it is 'a gamble'. The engines and everything they bought along with it, and the air component which is still inept and it had boiler leaks that still cant be fixed now.

http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/massive-engine-failure-modernized-aircraft-carrier-17-09

When the aircraft carrier reached 30 knots, an alarm indicated that there were problems in the machinery plant, and the vessel simply stopped”, a source in the military-industrial complex says to Kommersant.[\QUOTE]

 

[satishkumarcsc]

China bought a half completed vessel with design clearly more superior for 20 mil and finished it on her own.



http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/massive-engine-failure-modernized-aircraft-carrier-17-09

Finished it on your own? Yeah i commend you for that but unlike you we couldnt hire a ghost company to do a job like how the CCP did it.

How can you compare FGFA with F22?

Give me a reason why not?

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

China bought a half completed vessel with design clearly more superior for 20 mil and finished it on her own.

The Kiev class could never be considered true aircraft carriers. From the 1960s onwards, the rapidly expanding Soviet Navy began to see its lack of such a vessel to be a handicap, especially to a navy looking to spread its influence around the world.

Several abortive projects were started, including the 1973 design for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier of 85 000 tons which would be capable of accommodating 60 to 70 aircraft. In the early 1980s, two less ambitious projects began to make serious progress, the Project 1143.5 which was to become the Kuznetsov and the 75 000-ton Project 1143.7 which, had it been built, would have been the Ulyanovsk. This nuclear-powered ship with twin catapults was proposed to carry the upgraded Su-27KM and Yak-44 AEW/ASW fixed-wing aircraft within its complement of 60-70 aircraft.

Initially, Western analysts anticipated that the ships would have a Combined Nuclear And Steam (CONAS) propulsion plant similar to the Kirov battle cruiser and the SSV-33 command ship. However the class was in fact conventionally propelled with oil-fired boilers.

Although superficially similar to American carriers, the 60 000-ton Soviet aircraft carrier was always intended to be subordinate to missile submarines operating in their bastions in the Arctic. This aircraft carrier is capable of engaging surface, subsurface and airborne targets. The lack of catapults precludes launching aircraft with heavy strike loads, and the air superiority orientation of the air wing is apparent. Its main role is to protect ballistic missile submarines from hostile ASW aircraft.

The first unit was originally named Riga. The name was changed to Leonid Brezhnev and then to Tbilisi before settling in October 1990 on Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov, normally being shortened to Admiral Kuznetsov.

The flight deck area is 14 700 m² and aircraft take-off is assisted by a bow ski-jump angled at 12 degrees in lieu of steam catapults. The flight deck is equipped with arrester wires. Two starboard lifts carry the aircraft from the hangar to the flight deck. The ship was originally designed to operate Su-27K, MiG-29K, Yak-41 (and later the heavier and more capable Yak-43) supersonic STOVL fighters, but the only fixed wing aircraft regularly taken to sea have been the Su-33, MiG-29K and Su-25UTH, the latter being used as an unarmed trainer. The Admiral Kuznetsov do not carries any airborne early warning aircraft. Instead it uses Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters. It also lacks dedicated electronic warfare and defense suppression aircraft, that are used on the US carriers.

Service of the Admiral Kuznetsov in the Russian Navy is plagued with various accidents and plane crashes. There are problems with the ship's propulsion system. Russia definitely struggles maintaining its only aircraft carrier and keeping it operational. There are no immediate plans in Russia to construct successor for this ship.

As of 2017 it is planned that during the next couple of years the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will be repaired, refurbished and upgraded.

Construction of a sister ship (Project 1143.6, initially named Riga and later Varyag, the second of the class, started in December 1985 at Nikolayev, and the ship was launched in November 1988. Late in 1991 the Russian Defense Ministry stopped financing the carrier, and handed the hulk over to Ukraine. In 1998, the sale of the Varyag was announced to a Macau-based entertainment company. The unfinished hull was to be towed to the Far East where it would be converted into an entertainment complex and casino. Though this company appeared to be a front for the Chinese Navy. In China Varyag was restored and refitted. This aircraft carrier entered service with the Chinese navy in 2012 as the Liaoning. It was one of the most ambitious Chinese naval programmes. Currently Lianoning represents a significant shift in the balance of naval power in the area.
So Basically its not a carrier and was cheated by Chinese to be used as an cruise ship by Macau-based entertainment company. But.....

 

[bananarepublic]

Like you can compare, JF 17 to SU30MKM/MKI/MKK.....


Aapki mohabbat mein hi toh India ka ye haal hai, hume toh apne romeo hi bana diya hai, Kashmir ke peeche....
Aapko bhi kashmir chaiye, India ko bhi kashmir chaiye, lekin kya kare, humse bada gunda bhi toh nahi hai yahaan....china toh Taiwan ke pyaar mein pade hai

that is stupid they are not i the same weight category not to mention maneuverability payload etc.

i belive fgfa is much larger than then f22 so does it mean it has more payload capacity. ??

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

that is stupid they are not i the same weight category not to mention maneuverability payload etc.

i belive fgfa is much larger than then f22 so does it mean it has more payload capacity. ??

Here have your answer's

 

[Han Patriot]

Finished it on your own? Yeah i commend you for that but unlike you we couldnt hire a ghost company to do a job like how the CCP did it.

I think Chinese Government can execute things better because being an Authoritarian Capitalistic state does offer some benefits.

 

[bananarepublic]

Here have your answer's

man i do love russian designed fighter planes the are beautiful
but looking at the specs it seems that the T-50 has capabilities of more like a bomber .

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I think Chinese Government can execute things better because being an Authoritarian Capitalistic state does offer some benefits.

Yes that I agree as you can shut up any criticism and paint a totally different picture. With all these things the Indian navy was rapped by the CAG for getting a second hand carrier. If they hadnt gotten this carrier we would have had none by now and waited for Vikrant to arrive.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yes that I agree as you can shut up any criticism and paint a totally different picture. With all these things the Indian navy was rapped by the CAG for getting a second hand carrier. If they hadnt gotten this carrier we would have had none by now and waited for Vikrant to arrive.

I think India shouldn't be a reactive nation, instead plan things at her own pace. The reason India went for Kiev was because China went for Varyag. If India had been patient, just build two indigenous carrier, China is not gonna invade India, there is no problem having no carrier for a few years.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

man i do love russian designed fighter planes the are beautiful
but looking at the specs it seems that the T-50 has capabilities of more like a bomber .

Well the reason is the vast expanse of the Russian mainland. They need a lot of fuel to patrol the huge region that extends from pacific to the baltic and the artic to Asia minor. So they need a lot of fuel. They pioneered air to air refuelling concept in the 50s. That is why they needed to have that reach.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

man i do love russian designed fighter planes the are beautiful
but looking at the specs it seems that the T-50 has capabilities of more like a bomber .

Its not so bcuz if it was to happen then the mig 31 would have had been chosen as the developer infact to maintain its air dominance on vast skies of its country .