1000 years of Ascending the Throne- Remembering the King

[Gibbs]

Please pardon my jumping into the topic but am asking since you seem to be an expert in south Indian history sir.

Are Sri Lankans (the non Tamilian Sinhalese) descendants of what we called Asuras of ancient times? Same as Rakshasas?

What were they before the advent of Buddhism? Were they also Hindu?

I'm not a Sinhalese but Sinhalese have Bengali and Some Western Indian origins.. But of cause through intermarriage over thousands of years, Those genetics are mixed.. Inhabitants of Ceylon before the arrival of Sinhalese were considered to be more or less animists and a few Hindu's

 

[TejasMk3]

Please pardon my jumping into the topic but am asking since you seem to be an expert in south Indian history sir.

Are Sri Lankans (the non Tamilian Sinhalese) descendants of what we called Asuras of ancient times? Same as Rakshasas?

What were they before the advent of Buddhism? Were they also Hindu?

Genetics wise wiki says they are mostly Bengali, with mixtures of Tamil,and Gujju components.
Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All studies agree however, that there is a significant relationship between the Sinhalese and the Tamil, Keralite and Bengali. This is also supported by a genetic distance study, which showed low differences in genetic distance between the Sinhalese and the Tamil, Keralite and Bengali volunteers

 

[Hindustani78]

Sri Lankans are not homogeneous.. Unlike India intermarriage is quite common among different ethnic groups.. Some have Eastern/Bengali genetics, Some South Indian, Some North African and Middle Eastern, Some Northern European and Some from the Malay peninsular and Java

So you cant say Sri Lankans and South Indians are from a same stock.. Sri Lankans of Tamil origin and Sri Lankan Malayalee's would fit that definition but not the rest

All the ethnic groups are one way or another way are related to each other. Sri Lankans and South Indians are of same stock. Infact all majority of Indians are related to each other. Even Arabs , Afghans are part of wider Indian ethnic groups.

 

[Gibbs]

Genetics wise wiki says they are mostly Bengali, with mixtures of Tamil,and Gujju components.
Genetic studies on Sinhalese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those genetics may not be clear now because of intermarriage with other communities over the centuries

All the ethnic groups are one way or another way are related to each other. Sri Lankans and South Indians are of same stock. Infact all majority of Indians are related to each other. Even Arabs , Afghans are part of wider Indian ethnic groups.

What ?? Yeah i get the gist.. Infact all humans are related to that African dude in great rift valley in Somalia.. But in relation to genetics of Sri Lankans you make no sense.. There is clear distinction between Dravidian and other Sri Lankans

 

[TejasMk3]

Those genetics may not be clear now because of intermarriage with other communities over the centuries

Yeah it's confusing. The same wiki has two charts.....and there is a difference between older studies and newer ones.
From the same page.

Studies looking at the origin of the Sinhalese have been contradictory. Older studies suggest a predominantly Tamil origin followed by a significant Bengali contribution with no North Western Indian contribution.[1][2] While modern studies point towards a predominantly Bengali contribution and a minor Tamil and North Western Indian contribution.[3][4][5]

 

[Gibbs]

Yeah it's confusing. The same wiki has two charts.....and there is a difference between older studies and newer ones.
From the same page.

I guess thats because modern genetic studies are more precise.. Obviously due to better modes of research

But it's quite obvious the distinct physical differences say of a Sri Lankan Tamil to a Sinhalese to the naked eye.. They are clearly not of the same stock as some misleading posts suggests

 

[Hindustani78]

What ?? Yeah i get the gist.. Infact all humans are related to that African dude in great rift valley in Somalia.. But in relation to genetics of Sri Lankans you make no sense.. There is clear distinction between Dravidian and other Sri Lankans

There is really not much difference between Dravidians and Sri Lankans.

Tamil Nadu team

 

[DARIUS]

The concept of Sura and Asura was an extension of the early early Indo-Iranian idea of the Ahura and the Daevas which stand in juxtaposition.Later on a pathetic attempt was made by many to give it a racial twist for their own political gains.Otherwise the two words should be considered nothing more than ideas representing good and bad.Moreover in Indian mythology there's nothing like absolute black and white.One could never say that Ravana was absolute evil and whatever Rama did was absolute Dharma but Rama realized his flaws and acted accordingly,Eg: He performed yajnas and penance after killing Tadaka who was a woman.Same applies to Ravana as well who is till date referred to as one of the greatest Shiva devotees.According to Ramayana Ram approached Ravana for learning the tenets of Rajneeti from him and considered him a Guru!!

 

[Hindustani78]

The concept of Sura and Asura was an extension of the early early Indo-Iranian idea of the Ahura and the Daevas which stand in juxtaposition.Later on a pathetic attempt was made by many to give it a racial twist for their own political gains.Otherwise the two words should be considered nothing more than ideas representing good and bad.Moreover in Indian mythology there's nothing like absolute black and white.One could never say that Ravana was absolute evil and whatever Rama did was absolute Dharma but Rama realized his flaws and acted accordingly,Eg: He performed yajnas and penance after killing Tadaka who was a woman.Same applies to Ravana as well who is till date referred to as one of the greatest Shiva devotees.According to Ramayana Ram approached Ravana for learning the tenets of Rajneeti from him and considered him a Guru!!

Till now i don't understand why its called Mythology ? How come religion be considered as myth. Today Hinduism is termed as myth tomorrow even other religions would be term as Myth.

 

[DARIUS]

Till now i don't understand why its called Mythology ? How come religion be considered as myth. Today Hinduism is termed as myth tomorrow even other religions would be term as Myth.

It's referred to as mythology because with passage of time these events which were simply incidents of plain and simple human beings accomplishing inhuman tasks got mixed up with fairy tales just for the sake of livening them up a little bit but the influence of the supernatural went out of hand so much so that the real essence of these tales were no longer acceptable in their true form.

 

[Gibbs]

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There is really not much difference between Dravidians and Sri Lankans.

Tamil Nadu team

A pic of the Cricket team is not a cross section of the Sinhalese community.. There are players of Tamil origin there as well.. Also i'm not suggesting they look like north Indians but they are clearly distinct both in stature and facial features from Dravidians.. Majority are

 

[Hindustani78]

It's referred to as mythology because with passage of time these events which were simply incidents of plain and simple human beings accomplishing inhuman tasks got mixed up with fairy tales just for the sake of livening them up a little bit but the influence of the supernatural went out of hand so much so that the real essence of these tales were no longer acceptable in their true form.

Thats why time to time reforms or new message comes from the same old message. Religious studies should be started and followers of all the religions do research about their religion.

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A pic of the Cricket team is not a cross section of the Sinhalese community.. There are players of Tamil origin there as well.. Also i'm not suggesting they look like north Indians but they are clearly distinct both in stature and facial features from Dravidians.. Majority are

North Indians are even not different from South Indians or Eastern Indians. All are having same facial and physical features just skin color difference is there. Indians are a distinct nation but we are not like Europeans in any aspects.

 

[Gibbs]

Thats why time to time reforms or new message comes from the same old message. Religious studies should be started and followers of all the religions do research about their religion.



North Indians are even not different from South Indians or Eastern Indians. All are having same facial and physical features just skin color difference is there. Indians are a distinct nation but we are not like Europeans in any aspects.

Ok that i agree with.. In part..

But i still think Dravidians have certain Australoid features with them still.. For example people in interior Tamil Nadu or Indian origin Tamils (Plantation Tamils) in Central Sri Lanka look pretty much Australoid

 

[DARIUS]

Thats why time to time reforms or new message comes from the same old message. Religious studies should be started and followers of all the religions do research about their religion.

I firmly believe that in order to understand religion you need to have an open mind and need to free yourself from egoistic notions about your own religion.One cannot take religious diktats as the rule of thumb.Today if we consider the state of Islam as a religion we could see clearly to what extent religious reforms are needed to protect society from decay but then again it would not be possible with all the blasphemy notion present since no one would dare to speak up thankfully all Indian religions have been reformed time and again.

 

[Hindustani78]

I firmly believe that in order to understand religion you need to have an open mind and need to free yourself from egoistic notions about your own religion.One cannot take religious diktats as the rule of thumb.Today if we consider the state of Islam as a religion we could see clearly to what extent religious reforms are needed to protect society from decay but then again it would not be possible with all the blasphemy notion present since no one would dare to speak up thankfully all Indian religions have been reformed time and again.

All those are political issues which are linked to International politics . Even there is too much disinformation and propaganda spread by different people. As for Blasphemy , there are laws in all the countries regarding it.