10 reasons why US should apologize to Pakistan

[lem34]

Its 44 degrees outside.. and people need something to chill their hearts.

Although I doubt that even an actual heartfelt apology, followed by a billion dollars will change the perception of the US overnight.

I agree and am very surprised that Americans do not try to win hearts and minds the way say China does

 

[SQ8]

It is highly likely that the Pakistani leaders are playing more to their domestic audience than anything else, to the detriment of their own international policies.

I agree with you that it will take a long time and more effort to change how USA is perceived in Pakistan.

They always have.. its the allude of the many "chairs" that corrupts all in Pakistan..
And the public is just along for the ride.
Perhaps this is a big reason, why the US(or rather the American people) will also continue to be frustrated with Pakistanis..
Because they cannot understand how a peoples, simply dont have any opinions of their own that are not shaped by a single whim of those in power.

If there is any nation, where you can simply "sell" an idea by basing it on a few whimsical foundations of religion or race.. I think its Pakistan.
The day America figures that out.. it will find that controlling the Pakistani population was really not as hard as it was cracked up to be.

 

[VCheng]

I agree and am very surprised that Americans do not try to win hearts and minds the way say China does

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow." - John Wayne

 

[Bhairava]

One reason why they wont - Pakistan's double game in Afghanistan and the fact they [US] are the hyperpower and Pakistan a virtual client state of them.

 

[VCheng]

They always have.. its the allude of the many "chairs" that corrupts all in Pakistan..
And the public is just along for the ride.
Perhaps this is a big reason, why the US(or rather the American people) will also continue to be frustrated with Pakistanis..
Because they cannot understand how a peoples, simply dont have any opinions of their own that are not shaped by a single whim of those in power.

That is the real damage being done - the increasing international perception that there is nobody sane enough to negotiate with on the Pakistani side.

 

[lem34]

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow." - John Wayne

Clearly that may be the American way but it is not working

 

[VCheng]

Clearly that may be the American way but it is not working

True that!

Sometime a bit of fumbling is needed before getting to third base!

 

[Pfpilot]

Its 44 degrees outside.. and people need something to chill their hearts.

Although I doubt that even an actual heartfelt apology, followed by a billion dollars will change the perception of the US overnight.

Isn't that precisely why the perception of the US won't improve, even assuming they put forth their best effort. There are too many deep rooted problems in Pakistan, and thrusting perceived American wrong doings into the domestic limelight is the only way Pakistani leaders can make the common man forget that in 44 degree heat, he/she has no electricity or running water.

It has been incredibly convenient for the Pakistani establishment to shove real issues under the rug by going after the US, under the guise of protecting the dignity of Pakistan. If a desperate and emotional public is given something far away to direct their anger towards, it means they won't focus it on the real issues that exist right in front of them. That present situation is just too comfortable for our leadership; one they won't want changed.

 

[VCheng]

Isn't that precisely why the perception of the US won't approve, even assuming they put forth their best effort. There are too many deep rooted problems in Pakistan, and thrusting perceived American wrong doings into the domestic limelight is the only way Pakistani leaders can make the common man forget that in 44 degree heat, he/she has no electricity or running water.

It has been incredibly convenient for the Pakistani establishment to shove real issues under the rug by going after the US, under the guise of protecting the dignity of Pakistan. If a desperate and emotional public is given something far away to direct their anger towards, it means they won't focus it on the real issues that exist right in front of them. That present situation is just too comfortable for our leadership; one they won't want changed.

Sadly, that formula always works, such are the sheeple of the nation.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The truth is I really don't know if Pakistan hid him, I would need to see documents (and, duh, I know even video is easy to fake these days). I personaly think that some Pakistani elements were complicit, but not the state at large. (to Ifran, I forgot to quote)

sir,

I have been to Abbotabad recently, I have met serving and retired army/ ISI officers 2 months ago. we, ourselves cant brush off this feeling and the absolute anger (at OBL) that how he managed to elude us and how (if at all) he did it on his own.

indeed videos can be faked etc. so i wont put my hopes on them. but one thing is for sure, if there was any proof in the documents that the navy SEALS were able to take away, incriminating Pakistani state then you and I can bet our lifesavings that your Government and military wont have stayed quiet.

what we have got since that date is speculations and assumptions and then building arguments based on those suspicions and speculations. then one write quotes the speculations of another and his article is quoted by another and then the last one decides well when so many of these people are speculating and suspecting this then Pakistan state might have been complicit.

also, there was much left over after the raid which ISI took hold of and we did our own inquiry and couldn’t find anything ourselves who (ISI/ Army) could have been covering OBL.

some "Born Again" writers came up with a novel brain wave that the middle tier of the military might have been involved in it and kept the top leadership in the dark but that’s so stupid for anyone who knows how the military works, where people dont stay in one station for more than 1 or 2 years and are rotated all over the country and have no say or no knowledge who they are going to replace or who is going to relieve them (hence filling in that person or indoctrinating him in a week to look after the guest).

but one thing I have convinced myself with is that it WAS OBL who didnt give up all the perks he was used to (multiple wives) while on the run. one of his wives have refuted the American claim so I will give weigh to their statement rather than Mr Armchair ANALyst. secondly if someone suspects that their statement might be under duress then I would ask that person to explain what Pakistan will gain by forcing a statement from Osama’s wife that is actually supporting America’s claim when it is the same America that is actually blaming Pakistan of hiding him. I know it’s its just an argument and an argument cant be presented as a definite proof that OBL was there but I can live with that.

Re Afia Sadique, no apology required, I think she has American nationality too and I would like to know what made her leave her Pakistani husband and marry an Al Qaeda’s top lieutenant? I am sure that wasn’t out of pure and impulsive love because the circumstances that can make it happen (the love/ crush) are very unislamic anyway. I don’t condone what happened to her at Badgram airbrase but I don’t think she was discussing global warming with some Al Qaeda members (referring to her interest in use of chemicals and causing civilian deaths at public places).

Drone strikes we agreed together but there were some that were done to punish us by murdering tribesmen in open and peaceful gatherings on behalf of Panetta, just to punish us for keeping their blacktops operative in custody.

We already talked a lot about Salalla checkpost, I have my reasoning and I wish I am wrong so I cant add anything to it. That attack was just like the attack right after Raymond Davis release, the only difference was that Americans didn’t leave any chance of a doubt. Sad and unfortunate but they know they will get away with it so they did it and they got away with it.

Re dictatorship I think the Pakistani people must apologize to the world that they cant elect a suitable and true representatives of themselves and only bring sardars and feudal lords in the parliament that is just a joke in the name of the democracy who don’t know arse from elbow (or dont really care) about the affairs of the state and international relations. So Americans find easy to deal with military men, well too bad.



we will never find out what happens unless there is an other leak by someone who tells us what actually happened that day

 

[VCheng]

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Re dictatorship I think the Pakistani people must apologize to the world that they cant elect a suitable and true representatives of themselves and only bring sardars and feudal lords in the parliament that is just a joke in the name of the democracy who don’t know arse from elbow (or down really care) about the affairs of the state and international relations. So Americans find easy to deal with military men, well too bad. ...................

Like I have said many times before, Pakistan itself holds the majority (not all) of the blame for allowing its failings to not only affect itself but others as well.

 

[Porus]

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Re dictatorship I think the Pakistani people must apologize to the world that they cant elect a suitable and true representatives of themselves and only bring sardars and feudal lords in the parliament that is just a joke in the name of the democracy who don’t know arse from elbow (or down really care) about the affairs of the state and international relations. So Americans find easy to deal with military men, well too bad.

Americans find it easy to deal with the khaki clad clowns because the midget commando would say aye aye Sir even before the secretary of state completes his orders.

And a pot calling the kettle black? Pakistani awam elect whoever they want to elect, be they feudals or sirdars - the khaki clad clowns have nothing to say in this matter. If it was up to them they would always gather the most corrupt among all the corrupt landlords and sirdars around them as they have always done during their illegal rules. Instead of giving the awam any unasked lecture, the kahki clad clowns should go and liberate all those lands from the enemies they have lost in every war or they commit harakiri, but it is also not possible because only those who have some honour left in them commit harakiri.

 

[regular]

1 reason why America Shouldnt

because they might follow up on Salala check post attack and then the world Media will mock Pakistan saying do you want another apology from USA?

apology makes sense if it was not intended. the the findings of the attack clearly show that it was a premeditated attack and just to rule out any figment of doubt they returned after 40 minutes and attacked again (thats after they acknowledged Pakistani ceasefire requests)

why they did it? I will leave Obama Administration to explain. but demanding a sole world power an apology is really a hopeless cause when there is always a possibility that they can repeat that even more blatantly next time.
they do that regularly to British and other NATo allies on regular bases anyway and never apologise. its like a job hazard when you are near them.

lets stop embarrassing threads like this one.

why not we instead apologise to Al Qaeda for being such horrible hosts by turning away so many of their leaders to Americans and letting the Yanks killing some too?

The Al Qaeda(Al-CIA-da) and USA both are our enemies cuz both are killing our soldierz indicriminately and trying to weaken us internally and externally.........

 

[regular]

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[Machoman]

I won't agree on OBL case. This A$$hole need to die. he spread so much violence we still have hard time to clean the $hit he spread.