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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

I was initially kind of sad about the casualties but then I remembered this about Indian army.
Then I forgot all grievances.
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PLA Death Squads Hunted Down Indian Troops in Galwan in Savage Execution Spree, Say Survivors
The killings mark the Indian Army’s worst losses since the 1999 Kargil war, and mark the most intense fighting between India and China since 1967.






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      PLA Death Squads Hunted Down Indian Troops in Galwan in Savage Execution Spree, Say Survivors
      The killings mark the Indian Army’s worst losses since the 1999 Kargil war, and mark the most intense fighting between India and China since 1967.

      Praveen Swami

Furious hand-to-hand fighting raged across the Galwan river valley for over eight hours on Monday night, as People’s Liberation Army assault teams armed with iron rods as well as batons wrapped in barbed wire hunted down and slaughtered troops of the 16 Bihar Regiment, a senior government official familiar with the debriefing of survivors at hospitals in Leh has told News18.

The savage combat, with few parallels in the history of modern armies, is confirmed to have claimed the lives of at least 23 Indian soldiers, including 16 Bihar’s commanding officer, Colonel Santosh Babu, many because of protracted exposure to sub-zero temperatures the Indian Army said late on Tuesday.

“Even unarmed men who fled into the hillsides were hunted down and killed,” one officer said. “The dead include men who jumped into the Galwan river in a desperate effort to escape.”

Government sources say at least another two dozen soldiers are battling life-threatening injuries, and over 110 have needed treatment. “The toll will likely go up,” a military officer with knowledge of the issue said.






The fighting at Galwan, News18 had first reported on Tuesday, began after troops under Colonel Babu’s command dismantled a Chinese tent sent up near a position code-named Patrol Point 14, close to the mouth of the Galwan river. The tent had been dismantled following a meeting between Lieutenant General Harinder Singh, who commands the Leh-based XIV Corps, and Major-General Lin Liu, the head of the Xinjiang military district

Inside two days of the disengagement agreed to at the two Generals’ meeting in Chushul, though, the PLA set up a fresh tent at Patrol Point 14, inside territory claimed by India. Colonel Babu’s unit, government sources said, was ordered to ensure the tent was removed.

For reasons that remain unclear, the PLA refused to vacate Point 14 — reneging on the June 6 agreement — leading to a melee in which the Chinese tent was burned down, the sources said. In ongoing dialogue with division-level military commanders of the two armies in Galwan, a bid to bring about de-escalation, the PLA has alleged troops of the 16 Bihar were responsible for the incident.

The PLA, government sources have said, alleges Colonel Babu’s troops crossed a buffer zone separating the two sides, violating border-management protocols which mandates the use of white flags and banners to signal to the other side that it must turn back from the territory it is on.

The burning of the tent, the sources said, was followed by stone-pelting on Sunday, and then a massive Monday night attack on the 16 Bihar’s unprepared troops. Large rocks were also thrown towards the Indian positions by Chinese troops stationed on the high ridge above Point 14, one source said. Though some fought back using the improvised weapons carried by the PLA, most had no means of defence.

Large numbers of dead bodies, Indian military officials say, were handed over by the PLA on Monday morning — possibly men dragged away in the course of hand-to-hand fighting, and then killed.

The killings mark the Indian Army’s worst losses since the 1999 Kargil war, and mark the most intense fighting between India and China since 1967, when 88 Indian soldiers and perhaps as many as 340 PLA troops were killed in the course of intense skirmishes near the Nathu La and Cho La passes, the gateways to the strategically-vital Chumbi valley.

Beijing has issued no official statement on the numbers of casualties the PLA suffered in in the fighting, but the Indian Army claims it has intercepted military communication suggesting over 40 PLA soldiers may also have been killed or injured.

Earlier, on May 5, Indian and Chinese troops, as well as border guards, had engaged in similar, brutal fighting near the Pangong Lake, south of the Galwan valley. The commanding officer of the 11 Mahar Regiment, Colonel Vijay Rana, is still being treated for life-threatening wounds sustaining during the fighting, army sources say.

“There are obviously questions the public will want answers to,” a senior government official told News18, “including why the troops under attack at Galwan could not be supported, and why casualties could not be evacuated. The government will conduct a full investigation of these issues.”

No explanation has been offered for why the PLA pitched a tent at Point 14 after agreeing to a withdrawal. In addition to a drawdown at Point 14, the June 6 agreement had mandated an end to a standoff unfolding at another location code-named Point 15, and a withdrawal of troops and armoured personnel carriers stationed at the third location, Point 17.

Experts believe the crisis unfolding along the LAC is driven by China’s concerns that India’s development of logistical infrastructure could lead it to occupy contested territories it has until now only been able to patrol.

In maps published in 1962, after the end of the China-India war that year, the PLA asserted it had established control of the entire Galwan valley. Lightly-armed Indian troops of the 5 Jat Regiment, whose supply lines had been choked for months, held out against an entire PLA battalion at one key post in Galwan, losing 32 of the 68 troops stationed there before running out of ammunition.

Following the war, though, the PLA pulled back from its 1962 line, allowing Indian troops to resume patrolling ground dozens of kilometres to the east of the 1962 line, reaching the positions that India claims to be the LAC.

In the 1980s, China launched major border-works programmes which led several areas claimed by India to lie on its side of the LAC — like the Finger 8 ridge in Pangong — to be physically held by the PLA.








This article is proven to be fake as author claims 23 Indian soldiers died. But now Indian army has cofirmed that Indian casualties won't rise above 20.
 
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My friend, how many time I have to explain to You. The LAC is the CCL there. We will never conquer an inch of land not claimed by us. Why are you guys so egoistic and not view this professionally? I analysed Sino Viet war and I even admitted we lost overall due to the casualties and objectives not met.
The CCL and ICL in that Galwan sector is almost the same.
 
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US news agency Reuters releases sat photo of Galwan proving Chinese failed to cross into Indian side of LAC:


Assets in the Galwan Valley

June 16, 2020. The day after the battle

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The crop below shows the build-up of trucks along the banks of the river further away from the LAC. However, it also looks like some tents have been removed since the June 9 image.
Tu ne bs yahe rona lagaya Hua hain oh bhai they have beaten you very very hard entire world knowing you... First balakot 300 then f16 then Chinese 43 blah blah.... Every time you are lack of concrete evidence. Now please shut up with your nonsense bring something concrete if you have..... Believe it or not you are being slapped pretty hard by both Pakistan and India.... You are only good at imaginary intercept of opponents communication. Use your own brain please
 
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This guy makes a valid point.It's a numbers game to these nationalist indians, I have never seen them mourn the loss of their soldiers ever. Look at him being attacked for expressing a different view on the matter.
 
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Military plans all scenarios. They put them aside after that and bring them on table again when needed. This way most of the hard work is already done before since time is of essence in a war. As for geo-politics, they keep changing.


@Armchair can you confirm this 400,000+ troops?

Signalian, some modernization and expansion has happened and is happening under "Forces Goal 2030". Having worked in the defense contracting business, I was privy to some of the things being discussed but am not at liberty to disclose due to NDAs.

Expansion however of the army to 400,000 is a fantasy and very far from reality. We've seen two new divisions raised and a composite brigade and we may see a few more. Some pretty interesting equipment coming BD's way here.

The army is right now about 150,000 and likely to grow in the future to perhaps 200,000. But don't discount the paramilitary forces, which in the terrain BD has, are pretty useful. This includes: BGB, BCG, Ansars, RAB, etc.

If you put these into the equation, we may be closer to 300,000 active forces in the country.

Bangladesh is unlikely to act against India but the Indian's don't trust that. This means, even though Bangladesh may not act, it still ties down at least 3 Indian Army divisions along with assorted BSFs.
 
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In hand to hand combat, I don't believe Chinese have much of an edge. In a group fight it becomes even more confusing. If you r from Punjab than you surely must have seen fighting over jameen da kabja.lol
Ofcourse if 20 Indians died in hand combat than Chinese died as well.
If it was a gun fight than I can agree that no Chinese died cause they can ambush and fire from far away.
It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. There are so many melee fights in the mil history with huge casualty disparity. British soldiers in Iraq bayonet charged 28 Mahdi militia to death in open ground with only 3 mild injuries. Morale, discipline and tactics is the key in such fights.

Indians can keeps jerks off by calling CCP left CCP right stuff. However facts tells CCP have its legitmacy within China, and our Army is not composed of mindless conscripts that collapse in battle easily. The earlier Indian realise the reality the better for them.
 
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So it passed.
Days gone by without any semblance of retaliation.
Shameless BJP bhakts jumping on social media saying Chinese died too,boycott Chinese products.
But no questions about abysmal leadership or monumental policy failure of GOI.
Blame everything on others(congress, babus, Nehru, leftist, Martians et al)
For thm BJP is bigger thn India.
This is exactly the kind of attitude which resulted in repeated invasions in the past.
This is why your temples were desecrated, women raped, men slaughtered, whole towns converted with swords, country pillaged and subjugated relentlessly by handful of foreign invaders for millenniums.
Becoz the invaders realised the ruling elite to be incompetent spineless cowards.
Ab bhashan diye jayenge, BJP media cell will work day in n day out to save face.
They will sing Boycott chini product for some time.
A union minister even called for boycott of Chinese food.
Perhaps some northeast indians will be attacked/harassed.
And public will forget everything in few weeks.
Jai hind/BJP zindabad.
 
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I don't know you guys are fighting ? It doesn't matter 40 chinese died or 100. It's not a numbers game for f##k sake. And who r fighting over numbers, have nothing to do with Army.

All im interested is my soldiers died for what? Did the Chinese moved away? If not than we lost big time.

It's not the losing that matters it's the way you lost and the response that's matter. Im a sikh so very frustrated to see sikh soldier in martyrs list. No soldier deserve this type of death. Atleast during kargil we died doing something impossible.
I just hope the officers who surrendered none of them is sikh.Otherwise I would be so sad. Already after seeing govt response, feeling sorry for those who died for nothing for their country. All were very young , whole life gone & for what ? So that govt later start talks with chinese.

And flame me I don't care, A soldier gives his life cause he has faith in his officer or leader that after his death others will take his place. If 1 knew that he's fighting for nothing & after his death the fight will be over.... I'm just hopi g against hope that because of Bihar elections Modi gives free hand to Army.



Sorry to say u r hoping from coward modi who has history killing innocents in gujrat

Against china ur entire country cannot do nothing neither ur leaders carr how much lifes they want to play politics game

A lesson to indian soldier dont give ur life in war becoz ur leaders r coward
 
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Pm said,, IF instigated, we will give befitting reply.
If 20+ soldiers being killed is not instigation then perhaps he shud wait for women in his family to be violated,, maybe that will instigate him.
Jiski jo aukat.
But shameless napunsak bhakts will remain unfazed.
A few lines of a poem from school days come to my mind.
Kshama shobhti uss bhujang ko,
Jiske pas garal ho.
Usko kya jo dant heen,
vishrahit vinit saral ho.
 
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