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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

Not directing this at you just wanted to say this is as a general statement.

I don't buy it for even one second that China only has "300 nukes"....Who in their mind would think that the worlds second (arguably first) world power only has 300 damn nukes lmao.

It's like some kind of cruel joke....
China's nuke stockpile is thermonuclear, not atomic. First thermonuclear test done in 1967 was 3,300 kiloton (later applied as singular warhead for DF-5 fleet). Total yield of all strategic warheads (PLA doesn't possess low yield tactical warheads) was estimated to be 294 megatons (or 50% of US), decades ago.

Though Pentagon estimate of China's total thermonuclear warheads hasn't budged since about 1990 for whatever reason, many MiRV-ed missiles did came into service, e.g. DF-5B ICBMs, DF-31A ICBMs, DF-31AG ICBMs, DF-41 ICBMs, JL-2 SLBM, etc, let alone new MRBM's/IRBM's/Cruise Missiles/Hypersonics. I believe nuke stockpile has increased significantly, both total yield and quantities.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-294-megatons-of-thermonuclear-deterrence.107079/
 
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China's nuke stockpile is thermonuclear, not atomic. First thermonuclear test done in 1967 was 3,300 kiloton (later applied as singular warhead for DF-5). Total yield of all strategic warheads (China doesn't have low yield tactical warheads) was estimated to be 294 megatons (or 50% of US), decades ago.

Though Pentagon estimate of China's total thermonuclear warheads hasn't budged since about 1990, many MiRV-ed missiles did came into service, e.g. DF-5B ICBMs, DF-31A ICBMs, DF-31AG ICBMs, DF-41 ICBMs, JL-2 SLB, etc, let alone new MRBM's/IRBM's/Cruise Missiles. I believe nuke stockpile has increased significantly, both total yield and quantities

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-294-megatons-of-thermonuclear-deterrence.107079/

Good Lord it's been a while my friend since you posted. How are you?
Damn, it seems like everyone is coming out for this one.
 
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At some point you have to feel sorry for Indians. I mean if you were to go by their word.. and their word alone... they were not armed when attacked by Chinese with clubs in hand.. and still took 43 Chinese lives.. They attacked PAF, all weapons accounted for and Abhinandan took a F-16.

There are always, without a fail, overwhelmed.. where a Colonel leads a company of 50 men.. not hundreds generally deputed to him. Where they were attacked by an entire battalion of Chinese soldiers..

Always overwhelmed. PAF sent in their best of the best... their response playing defense got temporary overwhelmed.. I mean, where does this victim playing end? If you were to go by Indian version of events, they are forever a victim.

In general psychological terms, this would be considered a victim complex. This inferiority complex results in pogroms against minorities and lynching of their own citizens, unable to fight back.
 
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This news report shows incompetency of Indian Army on all levels.

1. More than 900 troops on each side were involved in a physical clash -
Seems more of an MMA clash in which the physically fit and hand-to-hand combat trained PLA army came on top. What is IA hand to hand combat training doctrine ?
IA deployed an infantry battalion in this clash after all OR does IA need elite paratroopers fight PLA infantry in physical combat?


2. Most of the deaths have occurred as soldiers fell-off cliffs during a physical fight in the narrow Galwan valley into the river at an altitude of 15,000 feet. Some died due to hypothermia and other due to injuries -
This shows that PLA soldiers used superior tactics by cornering IA soldiers, just like the shepherd pushes his flock towards the paddock, and PLA soldiers pushed IA troops off the cliff.
Secondly, abysmal medical readiness in Indian ranks.
Thirdly, hypothermia ? clothing material of IA troops uniform and boots in wet conditions is questionable.


3. Stones, Steel poles, bamboo poles with nails embed on them, were used by the Chinese, to attack the Indian troops. -
No Army comes to war unprepared. PLA was prepared, IA was not prepared for this clash, IA went in without a plan or a strategy.

4. The Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) of China, have also suffered fatal casualties. There is no number to their casualties. -
Number of wounded in 900 troops taking part in combat should be more than fatalities.
Why isnt the report talking about any wounded on PLA side and jumping to fatal causalities straightway?
Is this because IA wounded have died so now report has to mention PLA fatalities somehow since 20 IA troops have been killed ?


5. The number of Indian Troops was greater than the Chinese on the spot, a clash ensued. The PLA sent in reinforcements another clash ensued -
This shows incompetency of the highest level.
Firstly, if IA troops were more than PLA troops initially, why didnt IA take advantage of this situation when the clash had ensued?
Secondly, PLA brought reinforcements, where were IA reinforcements ?
Looks like even in the “Stone Age” folks with better strategy, tactics, nourishment, training, logistics, motivation etc. used to have an edge...

Falling off the cliff - how poetic....
 
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they are more hindu than the hindus

I forgot to wrote that basically the Punjab/Sikh regiment is also at stake due to the Khalistan movement and referendum, who knows when they will turn their backs!

If we see the Indian army without Punjab/Sikh regiment and the Gurkha regiment, it would be a huge downfall in the number of active soldiers for the Indian army so yeah that's all about number game and loyalties!
 
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Indians slam PM Modi for staying silent over Ladakh face-off with China


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Web Desk
Tuesday Jun 16, 2020

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Some Indians even called Prime Minister Narendra Modi "the weakest and the most incompetent PM in the history of India". REUTERS/Denis Balibouse/Files
It has been almost an entire day since 20 Indian soldiers were killed in what was termed a "violent face-off" with the Chinese army in the Ladakh region but Prime Minister Narendra Modi has so far remained mum on the development.

Scared maybe? That's what many of the Indians think with some even calling Modi "the weakest and the most incompetent PM".

Following the "loss of lives on the Indian side" at the Line of Actual Control (LAC), UK's Telegraph reported citing Indian army sources four soldiers were currently missing and another 32 "handed back after being captured".

But some of the Indians were relentless — and rightly so.

Former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Mehbooba Mufti spoke up about the issue, asking why the Indian leadership was suspiciously silent.


Mehbooba Mufti

✔@MehboobaMufti


Seems like China has hijacked the aggressive ‘ghar main ghuske marengay’ militaristic approach. Nation deserves to know why there is no talk of retaliation to avenge the death of three Indian army personnel!

India "deserves to know why there is no talk of retaliation to avenge the death of three Indian army personnel", she wrote on Twitter.

An Indian defence analyst said the face-off had left the disengagement canard of Ladakh "shattered" and "in tatters".


Man Aman Singh Chhina

@manaman_chhina

So the disengagement canard of Ladakh has been shattered and lies in tatters.
This is what many of us had been saying. Lies, lies and damned lies.

"This is what many of us had been saying. Lies, lies and damned lies," Man Amang Singh Chhina wrote.


Smita Sharma

@Smita_Sharma

Some tense news coming in from #LAC standoff including possible retaliatory action by Indian Army. @adgpi expected to brief defence reporters shortly. The last time bullets were exchanged between armies of #India #China was in 1975 in Tulung La in Arunachal Pradesh.
Journalist Smita Sharma reminisced how "the last time bullets were exchanged between armies of India [and] China was in 1975 in Tulung La in Arunachal Pradesh."


Rana Ayyub

@RanaAyyub

Pakistan, China and Nepal dare India within a week. Trying to remember a time in our history when we achieved this feat. This is India at its weakest and most fragile ever and no media spin can obfuscate this truth.

Prominent journalist Rana Ayyub lambasted the Modi government saying "this is India at its weakest and most fragile ever."

Another media person, Ajai Shukla, was dumbfounded over the matter, noting that the Modi-led government "doesn’t feel obliged to explain what is happening".


Ajai Shukla

@ajaishukla

Incredible India! With Chinese troops occupying our soil:-
1. Govt doesn’t feel obliged to explain what is happening.
2. The people don’t demand to know and instead delude themselves that Chinese will walk away on their own.
3. Media happy to publish scraps the govt throws it.

Seemingly scared, Shukla said Indians "delude themselves that Chinese will walk away on their own".

Famed reporter Barkha Dutt, too, sounded frightened, saying how India was wrongly focused on Pakistan and that China was New Delhi's "most lethal and dangerous adversary".


barkha dutt

@BDUTT

For so long we have focused on Pakistan as our main threat, when really Pakistan is a protectorate of China, which has always been India's most lethal and dangerous adversary. The faux romanticism built around not a single bullet fired has died permanently today I hope #Ladakh

"The faux romanticism built around not a single bullet fired has died permanently today I hope," she wrote.

Journalist Rohini Singh pointed out the Indian media's hypocrisy, which judged the Modi government's strength "by how much it can bully and silence it’s own citizens and not how well it can protect the nation’s interests".


Rohini Singh

@rohini_sgh

We now live in times where our TV anchors measure the strength of a government by how much it can bully and silence it’s own citizens and not how well it can protect the nation’s interests. #Ladakh


Rohini Singh

@rohini_sgh

What is happening? This is the weakest government in years. https://twitter.com/rajatptoi/status/1272922596950945792 …

Rajat Pandit@rajatpTOI

At least 20 Indian soldiers killed in the skirmish with Chinese troops in Galwan Valley region...

"This is the weakest government in years," Singh wrote on Twitter.


Rohan Gupta

@rohanrgupta

PM HAS FAILED TO PROTECT OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS . #Ladakh

THE WEAKEST AND THE MOST INCOMPETENT PM IN THE HISTORY OF INDIA#WeakestPMModi

A Congress party official said Modi had "failed", terming him as "the weakest and the most incompetent PM in the history of India".


राजा फैसल @RajaFaisal01


Meanwhile,#Indian media...#India #Ladakh #GalwanValley


Many others pointed out similar issues as well.


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Even no “Rafaels” this time!!! Hence, India should always fight only against Pak...
 
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At some point you have to feel sorry for Indians. I mean if you were to go by their word.. and their word alone... they were not armed when attacked by Chinese with clubs in hand.. and still took 43 Chinese lives.. They attacked PAF, all weapons accounted for and Abhinandan took a F-16.

There are always, without a fail, overwhelmed.. where a Colonel leads a company of 50 men.. not hundreds generally deputed to him. Where they were attacked by an entire battalion of Chinese soldiers..

Always overwhelmed. PAF sent in their best of the best... their response playing defense got temporary overwhelmed.. I mean, where does this victim playing end? If you were to go by Indian version of events, they are forever a victim.

In general psychological terms, this would be considered a victim complex. This inferiority complex results in pogroms against minorities and lynching of their own citizens, unable to fight back.


Indians are pussies at heart ... they not gracious enough to accept any of their failing despite all the advantages..

they are just insecure and pathetic.
 
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Good Lord it's been a while my friend since you posted. How are you?
Damn, it seems like everyone is coming out for this one.
Hey old buddy how are ya? Sorry I've been so occupied with business, my bad, miss you guys!
And this China-India conflict thing could be huge (hope not!), thought I should join the conversation.
 
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