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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

I heard some rumors that while the soldiers were fighting on top of the ridge, the ridge collapsed and fell out from underneath them.

Where does this fit into the story?

I have not heard such rumor in China, at least not in an non-joking manner, that source I cited just say some of the wounded Indians are thrown into the river by PLA soldiers.
 
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American intelligence: 35 Chinese troops killed in Ladakh
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades

Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020



The Times of India reported hat 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

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Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.

"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

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The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ...


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

WOW you have 1 non-Indian source. Is USNEWS more credible than the list of CREDIBLE RECOGNIZE NEWS MEDIA in the world?

Here is the List of credible news media around the world reporting 20 Indian soldiers dead and nothing about 43 Chinese soldiers dead as Indians like to claim:

AP News, Reuters, Telegraph, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, BBC, CNN, Forbes, NPR News, Wall Street Journal, ABC News, Sky News, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, etc
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-with-casualties-on-both-sides-idUSKBN23N0ZU
https://apnews.com/4229f3e3e36a56e7487dc35f58d99105
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladi...order-clash-with-chinese-forces/#21af4b8369b4
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/16/8777...ter-clashes-with-chinese-soldiers-near-border
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/world/asia/indian-china-border-clash.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/asia/china-india-border-clash-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-china-border-dispute-turns-deadly-11592305962
https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...e-indian-soldiers-killed-clash-chinese-troops
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-16/indian-troops-killed-in-border-face-off-with-china/12362112
https://news.sky.com/story/20-indian-soldiers-killed-in-border-clashes-with-china-says-army-12008124
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...illed-border-clash-china-200616172525853.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/16/three-indian-soldiers-killed-clash-chinese-border/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...illed-on-disputed-himalayan-border-with-china
 
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American intelligence: 35 Chinese troops killed in Ladakh
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades

Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020



The Times of India reported hat 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

[
READ:

China’s Test of the West ]
Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.

"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

[
MORE:

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The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ...


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

US intelligence "believes"

But no proof exists. It is all belief and hearsay :lol:
 
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PLA Death Squads Hunted Down Indian Troops in Galwan in Savage Execution Spree, Say Survivors
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The fighting at Galwan started after Indian troops dismantled a Chinese tent sent up close to the mouth of the Galwan river. (Representative image)

The killings mark the Indian Army’s worst losses since the 1999 Kargil war, and mark the most intense fighting between India and China since 1967.
Praveen Swami
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Furious hand-to-hand fighting raged across the Galwan river valley for over eight hours on Monday night, as People’s Liberation Army assault teams armed with iron rods as well as batons wrapped in barbed wire hunted down and slaughtered troops of the 16 Bihar Regiment, a senior government official familiar with the debriefing of survivors at hospitals in Leh has told News18.

The savage combat, with few parallels in the history of modern armies, is confirmed to have claimed the lives of at least 23 Indian soldiers, including 16 Bihar’s commanding officer, Colonel Santosh Babu, many because of protracted exposure to sub-zero temperatures the Indian Army said late on Tuesday.
“Even unarmed men who fled into the hillsides were hunted down and killed,” one officer said. “The dead include men who jumped into the Galwan river in a desperate effort to escape.”

Government sources say at least another two dozen soldiers are battling life-threatening injuries, and over 110 have needed treatment. “The toll will likely go up,” a military officer with knowledge of the issue said.

The fighting at Galwan, News18 had first reported on Tuesday, began after troops under Colonel Babu’s command dismantled a Chinese tent sent up near a position code-named Patrol Point 14, close to the mouth of the Galwan river. The tent had been dismantled following a meeting between Lieutenant General Harinder Singh, who commands the Leh-based XIV Corps, and Major-General Lin Liu, the head of the Xinjiang military district

Inside two days of the disengagement agreed to at the two Generals’ meeting in Chushul, though, the PLA set up a fresh tent at Patrol Point 14, inside territory claimed by India. Colonel Babu’s unit, government sources said, was ordered to ensure the tent was removed.

For reasons that remain unclear, the PLA refused to vacate Point 14 — reneging on the June 6 agreement — leading to a melee in which the Chinese tent was burned down, the sources said. In ongoing dialogue with division-level military commanders of the two armies in Galwan, a bid to bring about de-escalation, the PLA has alleged troops of the 16 Bihar were responsible for the incident.

The PLA, government sources have said, alleges Colonel Babu’s troops crossed a buffer zone separating the two sides, violating border-management protocols which mandates the use of white flags and banners to signal to the other side that it must turn back from the territory it is on.

The burning of the tent, the sources said, was followed by stone-pelting on Sunday, and then a massive Monday night attack on the 16 Bihar’s unprepared troops. Large rocks were also thrown towards the Indian positions by Chinese troops stationed on the high ridge above Point 14, one source said. Though some fought back using the improvised weapons carried by the PLA, most had no means of defence.

Large numbers of dead bodies, Indian military officials say, were handed over by the PLA on Monday morning — possibly men dragged away in the course of hand-to-hand fighting, and then killed.

The killings mark the Indian Army’s worst losses since the 1999 Kargil war, and mark the most intense fighting between India and China since 1967, when 88 Indian soldiers and perhaps as many as 340 PLA troops were killed in the course of intense skirmishes near the Nathu La and Cho La passes, the gateways to the strategically-vital Chumbi valley.

Beijing has issued no official statement on the numbers of casualties the PLA suffered in in the fighting, but the Indian Army claims it has intercepted military communication suggesting over 40 PLA soldiers may also have been killed or injured.

Earlier, on May 5, Indian and Chinese troops, as well as border guards, had engaged in similar, brutal fighting near the Pangong Lake, south of the Galwan valley. The commanding officer of the 11 Mahar Regiment, Colonel Vijay Rana, is still being treated for life-threatening wounds sustaining during the fighting, army sources say.

“There are obviously questions the public will want answers to,” a senior government official told News18, “including why the troops under attack at Galwan could not be supported, and why casualties could not be evacuated. The government will conduct a full investigation of these issues.”

No explanation has been offered for why the PLA pitched a tent at Point 14 after agreeing to a withdrawal. In addition to a drawdown at Point 14, the June 6 agreement had mandated an end to a standoff unfolding at another location code-named Point 15, and a withdrawal of troops and armoured personnel carriers stationed at the third location, Point 17.

Experts believe the crisis unfolding along the LAC is driven by China’s concerns that India’s development of logistical infrastructure could lead it to occupy contested territories it has until now only been able to patrol.

In maps published in 1962, after the end of the China-India war that year, the PLA asserted it had established control of the entire Galwan valley. Lightly-armed Indian troops of the 5 Jat Regiment, whose supply lines had been choked for months, held out against an entire PLA battalion at one key post in Galwan, losing 32 of the 68 troops stationed there before running out of ammunition.


Following the war, though, the PLA pulled back from its 1962 line, allowing Indian troops to resume patrolling ground dozens of kilometres to the east of the 1962 line, reaching the positions that India claims to be the LAC.

In the 1980s, China launched major border-works programmes which led several areas claimed by India to lie on its side of the LAC — like the Finger 8 ridge in Pangong — to be physically held by the PLA.
 
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So now the Indian side is claiming the Chinese were going around trying to execute "unarmed" Indians ... as usual the Indian media is trying to make their soldiers look "heroic" in the face of Nazi-like Chinese aggression. Why don't they just try to tell the truth for once? If I'm not mistaken, during last month's skirmishes, there were pictures of Chinese medics treating Indian soldiers' wounds. And now they're saying the same soldiers are going out to execute unarmed Indian soldiers?
 
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For those who don't know @Osiris also believes that IAF successfully hit the targets at balakot and killed "terrorists" that were allegedly there

Ab isi sai bandai k level ka andaza kar lo :lol:

That actually is against forum rules to further lies about 27 Feb 2019. We banned many Indians for that.

US intelligence "believes"

But no proof exists. It is all belief and hearsay :lol:

American intelligence? Even that usage makes it seem fake.
 
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I m in Beijing I tell you first hand, nothing really changed in Beijing and we trust the government to handle it successful caues we have a good record of doing so, by the way, what happens in Beijing is nothing comparing to what's happening in India.
Take cartoon @beijingwalker's words at face value.

- PRTP GWD
 
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Multiple ID rat phir sai try kar raha hai face saving ki after remaining missing for hours

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indians living in a different world... They can claim anything by their mouth, no evidence needed... a 'intercept'... LMAO... india would not be such a shiity place if they have the tech to 'intercept' PLA comm.... Unlike us, we show everything with concrete evidence like this:
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Shameless indians here should not waste time here... Time for you guys to edit the Wikipedia...Maybe you are doing it right now... lol...
We are not concerned about number of dead in PLA. From your boasting(if it is case with most chinese people), it seams that PLA has significant number dead. What are they fearing?
 
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Dozens of Indian soldiers and officers were captured by Chinese troops and no Chinese military personnel was reported captured by Indian troops. What does it suggest?

India killed more soldiers but didn't capture even a single Chinese trooper while dozens of Indian soldiers are missing even now

Indian logic at full display gentlemen :)
 
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After Violent Clash, China Claims Sovereignty Over Galwan Valley for First Time in Decades
For India, Galwan was always seen as the area where the lay of the Line of Actual Control was not disputed.

New Delhi: The Chinese military’s statement on the violent clash in eastern Ladakh has a claim that China has not made publicly earlier – sovereignty over entire the Galwan valley.

The Indian Army has stated that 20 Indian soldiers were killed in action in a violent face-off with Chinese soldiers in the Galwan area on Monday night. This marked a sharp escalation in tensions between the two countries, who had reportedly been in the midst of a process of disengagement from their stand-off that began six weeks ago.

Fifty-eight years after 1962, the capture of Galwan river valley provides the PLA strategic domination over positions overlooking India’s Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) road, which connects Leh to the Karakoram Pass.

https://thewire.in/security/china-claimes-sovereignty-over-galwan-valley-ladakh
This is no effect, they even claimed everything from Sun to Moon.
 
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