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1.9m people left off Assam NRC list, risking statelessness: 3.1 crore people included

Had these Asami people be Hindus, it would have never happened. I bet, even 2% of them are not Hindus.
What are you on about? Assamese people are all proud Hindus, there is a small number of indigenous Assamese muslims(mostly prisoners of wars of the era bygone) and even less Christian tribals. You are mistaking us for the Bangladeshi illegal miyas who have nothing to do with Assam or NE.
 
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What are you on about? Assamese people are all proud Hindus, there is a small number of indigenous Assamese muslims(mostly prisoners of wars of the era bygone) and even less Christian tribals. You are mistaking us for the Bangladeshi illegal miyas who have nothing to do with Assam or NE.
And you failed to find the illegal Miyas after all those years...
 
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19 lakhs is a big figure, which is only going to increase with the upcoming measures.
They will be given citizenship with silver platter promised by BJP. I told you from the very beginning NRC is the last nail in the coffin for Assamese... ;)
Instead of increasing number will go down even further.
1) 4 lacs did not reapply means either they are dead or do not exist. Probable relatives of the hindu migrant who are still in Bangladesh.
2) 2.5 lacs D voter who are also not included. Most of them could not challenge that in the court for 19000 taka court fee. Govt will offer them free this time and they will make them to the final NRC.
3) There are some people who is claiming them as some family members are missing will find them in the NRC.
4) Char people who are beggars or disabled.. I am sure Indian supreme court will give some direction for them.

The rest of the Hindus i belive 10-12 lacs will be given citizenship by BJP.

So, there will be none left to deport.. Jaysankar already assured us of that, so did Modi.
 
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They will be given citizenship with silver platter promised by BJP. I told you from the very beginning NRC is the last nail in the coffin for Assamese... ;)
We don't necessarily see it that way, it is a kind of a stepping stone which will lead to further measures. But, it would be made sure that not a single legal Indian citizen is disenfranchised and on the other hand every foreigner would be identified for further action. It was a day of jubilation for us yesterday, though lots of work remain to be done- starting with pan India NRC.
 
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We don't necessarily see it that way, it is a kind of a stepping stone which will lead to further measures. But, it would be made sure that not a single legal Indian citizen is disenfranchised and on the other hand every foreigner would be identified for further action. It was a day of jubilation for us yesterday, though lots of work remain to be done- starting with pan India NRC.
You are still beating the same drum.. NO foreigner exist in Assam anymore after NRC.. ;)

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And after the result in assam, there will not be any pan indian NRC. Count down already started for Modi departure...
 
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Why the Assam BJP is now against the NRC: Explaining the politics behind the exercise

Oddly, every major played in Assam has expressed unhappiness with the final NRC list published on Saturday.

Shoaib Daniyal
7 hours ago

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IANS photo



On Saturday, the final National Register of Citizens was published for the state of Assam. It left out 1.9 million people – a number that amounts to 6% of the entire population of Assam. This vast population will now have to file appeals in Assam’s foreigner tribunals, widely known for their abysmal standards of justice, where they could be eventually branded foreigners.

While the NRC process was driven by the Supreme Court, the exercise has seen vigorous politics around it.

The process itself is the culmination of the nativist politics of Assam that has ranged itself against people it sees as “outsiders” to the state. This category mostly consists of Bengalis – both Hindu as well as Muslim – but also includes Nepali and Hindi speakers. In addition to this, once the exercise began in 2015, the Bharatiya Janata Party attached its own Hindu nationalist narrative to it, using “Bangladeshi migrants” as a dog whistle to mean Muslims.

BJP flip-flop
In the run-up to the final NRC, however, the BJP in Assam underwent a course correction, going from enthusiastically backing the registry to criticising it as a flawed exercise that needs to go back to the drawing board. In July, the BJP-controlled Union government and Assam government even asked for the final list to be delayed and a re-verification of names – a demand that the Supreme Court rejected.

The BJP in Assam continued its opposition when the list was released on Saturday. “We have lost hope in the present form of the NRC right after the draft,” said senior BJP minister and Assam strategist Himanta Biswa Sarma on Saturday morning, before the final list was released. Sarma asked the Supreme Court again for re-verification and threatened that the process to identify foreigners will continue.

Why did the BJP suddenly change its stand?

Given the migration of Hindus from Bangladesh, the final NRC list is thought to exclude a large number of Bengali Hindus. This goes against both the BJP’s Hindu nationalist ideology as well as its electoral calculations – Bengali Hindus are its oldest vote bank in Assam.

One way the BJP supporters hopes to circumvent this situation is to amend India’s citizenship rules be amended to put in an explicitly religious rider that allows Hindu, Buddhist Sikh, Christian and Parsi migrants from South Asia to settle in India but not Muslims. In its first term, the Modi government tried to pass a Bill to this effect but failed. Whether it will try again remains to be seen.

West Bengal situation
The politics of migration from Bangladesh, however, is not restricted to Assam – it also extends to West Bengal. The BJP in West Bengal used the NRC as a campaign plank in the 2019 Lok Sabha Election, which was countered by the Trinamool by pointing to the fact that Assam’s NRC has excluded a large number of Hindu migrants.

On Saturday, however, both the Trinamool and the BJP in West Bengal had muted reactions. The Trinamool did react, opposing an NRC in the state, but uncharacteristically the party head, West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee remained quiet through the day. She finally commented late evening, calling the exercise “botched-up” and expressing concern for those excluded, “especially the large number of Bengali speaking brothers and sisters”.

While the Assam BJP is questioning the final NRC, the West Bengal BJP continued its demand for an NRC in the state. In fact, so did the BJP in Delhi and Telangana – two other states ruled by Opposition parties.

Assamese nationalists
Even as the BJP speaks in multiple voices on the NRC, Assamese nationalists – the original progenitors of the scheme – are unhappy with the exercise. The All Assam Student’s Union, a signatory to the 1985 Assam Accord that first embodied the principle of the NRC, expressed unhappiness with the process, claiming that it would move the Supreme Court.

Much of Assamese nationalist politics has been driven by what many see as inflated estimates of Bangladeshi migrants. In 2004, for example, the Union home minister claimed that there were 50 lakh illegal migrants in Assam – a number that was used by the Supreme Court itself as it started the NRC process.

However, the final NRC seems to belie these claims. The number excluded is just 19 lakh. This number will come down once the people excluded challenge their status in the tribunals. Moreover, this also includes native tribal people. As a result, claims of Bangladeshi migrants swamping Assam – claims that were at the heart of Assamese nationalist politics – appear to stand disproven with the publishing of the final NRC.

Even the Congress
To complete the circle – marking how every player in Assam is unhappy with the NRC – the Assam Congress on Saturday criticised the final list. “Many genuine Indians – especially Bengali Hindus – have been excluded from the NRC while several foreigners have been included,” former Assam chief minister Tarun Gogoi said. “The Bharatiya Janata Party has to explain what went wrong with the NRC.”

While the Congress has used the current flawed NRC process to attack the BJP, it has made it clear that it is not against the idea of the NRC per se. In fact, it also claims credit for the NRC, given that it was a Congress government in the Centre that had signed the Assam Accord in 1985.

As parties fight it out, however, millions of Indian residents face a gruelling future in Assam having to prove that they are indeed the citizens of a country they live in.

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I dont belive Hemantha.
Out of 40 lacs 10 lacs were muslim. Now out of 19 lacs 14 lacs are muslim. This kind of vedic math can only be practiced by Bhakths...
What nonsense is this. No religious count was given for 40lakh.

Why the Assam BJP is now against the NRC: Explaining the politics behind the exercise

Oddly, every major played in Assam has expressed unhappiness with the final NRC list published on Saturday.

Shoaib Daniyal
7 hours ago

46410-tojfnqnxnj-1520074459.JPG

IANS photo



On Saturday, the final National Register of Citizens was published for the state of Assam. It left out 1.9 million people – a number that amounts to 6% of the entire population of Assam. This vast population will now have to file appeals in Assam’s foreigner tribunals, widely known for their abysmal standards of justice, where they could be eventually branded foreigners.

While the NRC process was driven by the Supreme Court, the exercise has seen vigorous politics around it.

The process itself is the culmination of the nativist politics of Assam that has ranged itself against people it sees as “outsiders” to the state. This category mostly consists of Bengalis – both Hindu as well as Muslim – but also includes Nepali and Hindi speakers. In addition to this, once the exercise began in 2015, the Bharatiya Janata Party attached its own Hindu nationalist narrative to it, using “Bangladeshi migrants” as a dog whistle to mean Muslims.

BJP flip-flop
In the run-up to the final NRC, however, the BJP in Assam underwent a course correction, going from enthusiastically backing the registry to criticising it as a flawed exercise that needs to go back to the drawing board. In July, the BJP-controlled Union government and Assam government even asked for the final list to be delayed and a re-verification of names – a demand that the Supreme Court rejected.

The BJP in Assam continued its opposition when the list was released on Saturday. “We have lost hope in the present form of the NRC right after the draft,” said senior BJP minister and Assam strategist Himanta Biswa Sarma on Saturday morning, before the final list was released. Sarma asked the Supreme Court again for re-verification and threatened that the process to identify foreigners will continue.

Why did the BJP suddenly change its stand?

Given the migration of Hindus from Bangladesh, the final NRC list is thought to exclude a large number of Bengali Hindus. This goes against both the BJP’s Hindu nationalist ideology as well as its electoral calculations – Bengali Hindus are its oldest vote bank in Assam.

One way the BJP supporters hopes to circumvent this situation is to amend India’s citizenship rules be amended to put in an explicitly religious rider that allows Hindu, Buddhist Sikh, Christian and Parsi migrants from South Asia to settle in India but not Muslims. In its first term, the Modi government tried to pass a Bill to this effect but failed. Whether it will try again remains to be seen.

West Bengal situation
The politics of migration from Bangladesh, however, is not restricted to Assam – it also extends to West Bengal. The BJP in West Bengal used the NRC as a campaign plank in the 2019 Lok Sabha Election, which was countered by the Trinamool by pointing to the fact that Assam’s NRC has excluded a large number of Hindu migrants.

On Saturday, however, both the Trinamool and the BJP in West Bengal had muted reactions. The Trinamool did react, opposing an NRC in the state, but uncharacteristically the party head, West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee remained quiet through the day. She finally commented late evening, calling the exercise “botched-up” and expressing concern for those excluded, “especially the large number of Bengali speaking brothers and sisters”.

While the Assam BJP is questioning the final NRC, the West Bengal BJP continued its demand for an NRC in the state. In fact, so did the BJP in Delhi and Telangana – two other states ruled by Opposition parties.

Assamese nationalists
Even as the BJP speaks in multiple voices on the NRC, Assamese nationalists – the original progenitors of the scheme – are unhappy with the exercise. The All Assam Student’s Union, a signatory to the 1985 Assam Accord that first embodied the principle of the NRC, expressed unhappiness with the process, claiming that it would move the Supreme Court.

Much of Assamese nationalist politics has been driven by what many see as inflated estimates of Bangladeshi migrants. In 2004, for example, the Union home minister claimed that there were 50 lakh illegal migrants in Assam – a number that was used by the Supreme Court itself as it started the NRC process.

However, the final NRC seems to belie these claims. The number excluded is just 19 lakh. This number will come down once the people excluded challenge their status in the tribunals. Moreover, this also includes native tribal people. As a result, claims of Bangladeshi migrants swamping Assam – claims that were at the heart of Assamese nationalist politics – appear to stand disproven with the publishing of the final NRC.

Even the Congress
To complete the circle – marking how every player in Assam is unhappy with the NRC – the Assam Congress on Saturday criticised the final list. “Many genuine Indians – especially Bengali Hindus – have been excluded from the NRC while several foreigners have been included,” former Assam chief minister Tarun Gogoi said. “The Bharatiya Janata Party has to explain what went wrong with the NRC.”

While the Congress has used the current flawed NRC process to attack the BJP, it has made it clear that it is not against the idea of the NRC per se. In fact, it also claims credit for the NRC, given that it was a Congress government in the Centre that had signed the Assam Accord in 1985.

As parties fight it out, however, millions of Indian residents face a gruelling future in Assam having to prove that they are indeed the citizens of a country they live in.

Read all the stories in The Final Count series here.

To get all The Final Count stories in your inbox every day, subscribe here.

Support our journalism by subscribing to Scroll+here. We welcome your comments atletters@scroll.in.



https://scroll.in/article/935840/wh...c-explaining-the-politics-behind-the-exercise
Do you know what this means?

More Muslims will be put in the list.

They will be given citizenship with silver platter promised by BJP. I told you from the very beginning NRC is the last nail in the coffin for Assamese... ;)
Instead of increasing number will go down even further.
1) 4 lacs did not reapply means either they are dead or do not exist. Probable relatives of the hindu migrant who are still in Bangladesh.
2) 2.5 lacs D voter who are also not included. Most of them could not challenge that in the court for 19000 taka court fee. Govt will offer them free this time and they will make them to the final NRC.
3) There are some people who is claiming them as some family members are missing will find them in the NRC.
4) Char people who are beggars or disabled.. I am sure Indian supreme court will give some direction for them.

The rest of the Hindus i belive 10-12 lacs will be given citizenship by BJP.

So, there will be none left to deport.. Jaysankar already assured us of that, so did Modi.
Easy excuse for the Hindu slave govt of BD to not save Muslims.
We are helpless. You are not. Allah will never forgive you.
 
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I think it is time for there to be a final partition in India where Pakistan gets the whole of Kashmir but agrees to take in some 10s of millions of Indian Muslims in return.
BD gets bordering Muslim areas of W bengal and the whole of NE(bar S Tibet that goes to China). In return BD takes in 100 million Indian Muslims. They can easily be absorbed into the vast lands of NE and BD will keep it's integrity as still the majority of this new state will be Bengali Muslims.

It is simple that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together.
But who will belt the cat? will india agree?
@UKBengali
 
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Final NRC: With its publication, the foreigners issue in Assam needs to be buried for good

September 2, 2019, 2:00 AM IST TOI Edit in TOI Editorials |Edit Page, India | TOI

The much-anticipated National Register of Citizens (NRC) in Assam saw its final publication on Saturday with just over 19 lakh people excluded from the list. Those who do not find themselves in the final NRC now will have to approach foreigners tribunals to appeal their cases. In fact, these tribunals are the only ones authorised to declare a person a foreigner. Hence, no coercive action should be taken against those not on the NRC.

The NRC exercise has left almost everyone dismayed, including many original proponents. From All Assam Students’ Union to Assam Public Works – the original petitioner in the Supreme Court whose plea led to updation of NRC – all have said that the final registry is flawed. The state BJP, in opposing NRC, has said many citizens have been left out of the list while many foreigners have been included. The truth is such an outcome is inevitable in any such exercise, given the country’s poor documentation culture. This would explain why a 16% rate of exclusion was earlier noted in Assam’s tribal-dominated Karbi Anglong district. Much of this exercise, which cost Rs 12,000 crore of taxpayer’s money, resembles chasing a phantom.

Assam’s finance minister and BJP’s point-person in the north-east, Himanta Biswa Sarma, has expressed displeasure with the rolls and said that his party and government are thinking of an alternative mechanism to detect and expel foreigners. Such comments are highly irresponsible and show that vested political interests want to keep the foreigners issue alive in Assam.

NRC was meant to be a one-time exercise with massive resources devoted to it. The truth is it has been a mess, making it hard to comprehend why BJP wants to repeat it in other states. It has created hardships and anxieties for millions of people. Besides, the whole exercise always had an ethnic dimension to it, with Bengalis being conflated with Bangladeshis. With the final NRC publication it is time to put a stop to all of this. Those excluded must be treated humanely – one can’t put away 19 lakh people, amounting to 6% of the state’s population, in detention camps – and given fair legal redress. Breeding uncertainty and disorder is not the best way to convert the north-east into a bridgehead for New Delhi’s Act East policy. BJP must prioritise what it wants to go for: a $5 trillion economy, or large scale witch hunts comparable to China’s “Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution”.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...s-issue-in-assam-needs-to-be-buried-for-good/
 
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2 million was about what would be expected in Assam. No one believed anyone that said 20 mil or 60 mil or whatever (those referred to total figures in whole of India anyway)....maybe some times more can be found in rest of NE and the big one (west bengal).

The figure quoted for Assam was typically 5 million. And yes, pretty much everybody believed and still believes these cloud cuckoo numbers (both Assam and the all India figure). Why do you think they are demanding 're-verification'? You and I are exceptions.

The 5 million number is patent nonsensical. Yet there are morons like Shiladitya Dev who thinks there are 10 million illegal Muslims in Assam. The TOTAL population of Muslims in Assam is 10.6 million. So according to him virtually all Assamese Muslims are foreigners.

With geniuses like this in positions of power, Assam will continue to suffer.

India has time, after appeals process and foreigner tribunal process is done, that goes on the final record of the illegals. Lot of time and politics to be had while SHW is still in power in BD. Once she is gone, a few pilkhanas will be done inside BD to provide the cover for one fell swoop from results of as national a NRC done by that point (not just Assam).

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Man, I thought you were the sane one.

India does not give nationality to Pakistani Hindus. They live in squalid condition in Delhi.

The idea is, if you start dishing out citizenship to these people, the entire 3-4 million Pakistani Hindus will arrive here.

It's a tricky situation but business is business.
 
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